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Fiona Chin
post May 27 2013, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ May 27 2013, 10:24 AM)
Eh I heard if apply in 6 months more likely to fail sad.gif I'm thinking whether to take a risk and apply now, or wait till 1 year and then apply...
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Thought you are acca member and some world medalist? Should be no problem for professional and world top. Know one case approved after 1 month working here.
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post May 28 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ May 27 2013, 04:06 PM)
So sour eh? Let it go laaaa  notworthy.gif  laugh.gif
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Not souring you la. Just saying some cases I know of. Member of professional bodies has some weightage. The form has some area to fill in your professional body and achievement right? If no use they won't put inside the form. If really desperate you can put from primary school to date.

QUOTE(Tigerr @ May 27 2013, 11:01 PM)
why worry??....my wife works in malaysia n not stay in singapore, applied PR last year also get approved within 3 months.....so, take your chance...
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See, his wife not in SG no job here also approved...
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post May 29 2013, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(rawrkun @ May 28 2013, 09:10 PM)
Recently I got an offer from a consultant eng firm with a starting salary of SGD2800. Initially I though it was okay and I assume that  most company will have a standard pay for new hire... so I don't really bother to negotiate...

but... people told me that the salary is way below market rate for Singapore standard... and the rent there is freaking expensive sad.gif 
Now I feel kinda stupid and feel that I'm being taken advantage of...

My academic qualification is fairly above average and I am currently attached with a MNC in Malaysia... but after 6 months I fell like I'm not really learning anything and I was bored... that's when I decided  to explore my options else where...

but now I'm having second thoughts about the offer but I feel obliged honor my agreement with the SG company... 

Any advice for some one who is just starting out like me  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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My BF only 1.8k when he started working in engineering field. So worry about my future that time cry.gif

QUOTE(deodorant @ May 28 2013, 10:48 PM)
A year and a half ago http://www.mom.gov.sg/Documents/statistics...rsd_2011ROW.pdf

Civil Engineer Age 25-29
Median 2,800

Civil engineer - All
25 percentile 3,300
Median 4,100
75 percentile 5,308
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cry.gif How to buy house to get married with that kind of salary? cry.gif How to make more babies for government? Should tell my future daughter no engineering BF please.

I think the figures on the low side. Last time I see the pay is not like that.
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post May 29 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(RabbitS @ May 29 2013, 05:21 AM)
$4k-15k, yes, it is fair..
Well, ur bf u gotta make do with him.. Probably when u guys hv kids, he stay at home and you be the bread winner lor

Waa, not all engineers make so low.. Only in sg because there's hardly any big projects.. Mostly those in the oil n gas make big $$$..

Make babies get $$$ so should make more.. A lot of singaporean engineers run into banking or civil service.. There they are look upon more highly..
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He don't want switch. Stubborn guy. Job diversification, if financial tsunami one of us still have job to feed (maggi to) the other one.

QUOTE(MsiaqweR @ May 29 2013, 10:01 AM)
Hi guys,

I just have this thought came to my mind.
Let's say I buy a car in SG right now.
When the 10 years COE nearly expired, I drive this car back to Malaysia and never return to SG.

Possible?

Like tat, we do not need to scrap the car. No need to renew road tax in SG and MY (as the MY police will not know this is a COE expired car or must have thought this car already purchased roadtax in SG)
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Not necessary must scrap the car. Can keep at your home as decoration, just can not drive on the streets. The car still belong to you. You can export it back to Malaysia, do some paper work and become a registered Malaysian car. Driving an illegal car then good luck when you bang other people on the road.

My car COE expired 1-2 years ago, can renew the COE with lower rate call prevailing quota something PQP, no need to bid for new one. If want new car then have to bid, old car got few options depend on what you want. The car agent will do all these for you just pay money can already.

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post May 30 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Sky_Q @ May 30 2013, 10:50 AM)
what a headache..i plan to buy hdb resale but i cant do so cos i am not allowed to hold any foreign property....this strict rule is killing a lot of people..in the event if hdb found out, ur hdb may risk of being repossessed.
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The government is seeing that rule to help those people who intend to settle down in SG to get a HDB. If not the price will go up more with more demand in the market.

QUOTE(crazy25kid @ May 30 2013, 11:20 AM)
One can always transfer the name to a family member.
I know my friends do it that way.
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You want to fight over the house with your family members until become enemies if they suddenly turn against you because of a HDB flat? If me I will only pass it to my children or parents, then only husband and siblings.

QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 11:39 AM)
If it were me... I'd set up a Sdn Bhd, sell the property to the company, and issue the shares back to me. Then I technically own a property company, not a property. If you want to be ultra safe... (maybe HDB's lawyer in Malaysia is conscientious enough to do both a title search AND a company search), then issue the shares to your parents or siblings and amend the M&A and AA that upon the death of a shareholder, the shares will be automatically distributed to the remaining shareholders.
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This tip sounds very familiar hehehe...
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post Jun 4 2013, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(goldconnection @ Jun 4 2013, 03:19 PM)
Do most of the Singaporeans write and speak fluent Chinese? I'm thinking if my proficiency in Chinese gives me extra edge over Singaporean candidates if I apply for a job in investment line.
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Never written a single Chinese word for my working life. Unless you are targeting Malaysian Chinese client, better speak English to the Chinese and Taiwanese. Your slang is different. The client is always right, so my Chinese is consider market Chinese to them. cry.gif
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post Jun 5 2013, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(MsiaqweR @ Jun 5 2013, 11:38 AM)
Anyone know why Singaporeans damn like to queue-up?

I noted mostly willing to queue-up for a seat in the restaurant for 90 mins just for a bowl of Japanese Ramen for instance. My Goodness...

Need to so kiasu?
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Those are the good life people that can afford both the time and money for that bowl of ramen. They are not kiasu, they call it good life. Most of us here don't have either one, too busy working whole day for peanuts. Have to cook dinner everyday after tiring day to save some sgd than eating out at restaurant. cry.gif

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post Jun 5 2013, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(MsiaqweR @ Jun 5 2013, 03:45 PM)
Agreed with you.

This is one point I hate SG.

Imagine you wanted to buy today's papers at a 7-Eleven. You go round and round the car-park in a HDB for 15 mins to search for a parking lot (perhaps in the 5th floor in the car-park if you are really unfortunate that day).

Thereafter, you walk down and buy your papers which only takes you 10 secs and you walk-back to collect your car. Does it make sense to you?

In KL, no one really cares whether you park your car legally or illegally. Take your own sweet time to have a pack of nasi lemak while buy your favourite magazines at the 7-11.

Now, this is call human rights freedom.
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No people will find a parking and go 7-11... Put signal at the road side, go down and buy and come back before the officer come. SG cars always stop at the road side even its a main road with just a signal to wait for people, post a mail or buy something really fast.

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Jun 5 2013, 03:52 PM)
I disagree with your statement.
I hate it when ppl block my car. I know it's not totally the driver's fault (the municipal council didn't provide enuff parking sometimes), but most of the time it's for the convenience of the driver.
imagine the trouble one have to go through when there's an emergency n there's another car blocking.
that's just being inconsiderate
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If double park then inconsiderate already, that one call selfish not human rights freedom. SG many many patterns have, got one time park at my gate, horn half an hour only come out from the house vmad.gif
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post Jun 6 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(keelim @ Jun 6 2013, 07:02 AM)
I tried DTF once but can't comprehend the craze for it. The food is not fantastic; the xiao long pao is a mere OK. Definitely not worth my 30 mins. Any dim sum in Ipoh could easily taste better than DTF.
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Fame from overseas. The DTF xiao long in Taiwan is worth to queue for and saw Japanese tourists tapao boxes to bring back to Japan. SG DTF xiao long is like Penang Kuey Teow sold here, original taste all gone.
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post Jun 7 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(LilyBud @ Jun 6 2013, 10:02 PM)
Thanks for the info  notworthy.gif

I am in medical industry. dip in medical & deg in management. My pay in Msia is nearly 4k. I still able to send money home. In Msia, I can rent a whole apartment with RM 1k, in Sg with SGD 900 I can only rent a masterbedroom
I didn know 5 years experience can get so much.

@goldconnection I was so disappointed with our gov that I decided to leave. But leaving the freedom of driving around and and my dog and my dear friends kinda kills me.

It really makes me wonder how come so many ppl wanted to go into Sg??I the prospect of working in Sg better?? Dilemma!!!I have to reply them asap d.. HOW??
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Try looking at the salary statistics published for your position but I won't believe the stats so much. There are some outliers of some friends' salary and myself that are not reflected.

Worth or not only you can decide based on your situation. Maybe give it a try if you don't have other commitment? 3K is not a lot but can have a good life in SG with some control of money spent I think. KL is so convenient, plenty of bus and cheap flights going KL at Friday night, and coming back on Sunday night or Monday early morning before work. I go back often and don't feel like separated from my family. Work hard and buy a car then you will be enjoying the freedom of driving around. I think you can bring in your dog with some procedures, try check with AVA the authority that control the pets. Phsyco your friends and ask them come here then everything will be same like KL. I like SG because everything is based on your competency, from my study here to my working life, scholarship, results and promotions are based on how much effort you put in and not your race, religion and connections.
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post Jun 8 2013, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jun 7 2013, 02:35 PM)
As long as you're happy with your decision, that's all one can hope for.

In my opinion, the best time to come to Sg to work is immediately after graduating, when you're ready to start a new phase of life and not too tied up with relationship baggage.

The other good time to move is when you're mid-career and your employer is willing to compensate you handsomely to give up your relationship baggage or pay you enough to bring all your baggage over here.
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For someone who graduated here, I was quite curious why many fresh graduates will choose to come SG to work. If I am to leave my comfort zone and commitment like my family behind, I would have choose Australia compare to SG after staying and working in both places. Other place I will consider is UK or US.

For job relocation from MY to SG then no choice since tied to the same company.

QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Jun 8 2013, 12:07 AM)
that means u have a university degree but offer way less than that figure. u serious? many of my friends doesn't have a degree and getting more than that figure.
Not sure how u define "way less" but i think u should be getting at least 2.3k as a degree holder. unless u got a job as a Mc.d worker with ur degree.
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QUOTE(glo0my @ Jun 8 2013, 02:52 PM)
i define "way less" as - 800. way less than 3k and that's the salary offered to me.

does it considered underpaid ?  im a fresh 0 experience degree holder joining the local SME in software development industry
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I think the starting pay should not be the main issue for fresh graduates if you don't have financial burden. Have to consider exposures, opportunities, and future career. My BF and one of the forumers here I know accepted a below average pay in their field after graduating, 1.8k for my BF, both of them even lower than the poly graduates in the same field. But now they are promoted to associate director and partner of their company, big jump in salary with share profit.

I started off in MNC with above average pay in my industry, but still feel like nobody inside my company although in the mid level. My ex boss and seniors got retrenched in the previous sub prime crisis with just a letter in a typical happy working day and to pack all their stuff, escorted by security officers and leave immediately from office compound. Not a very secure job. The higher I go, the more worried I got.
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post Jun 10 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(wilhelm @ Jun 10 2013, 12:43 AM)
Hey guys, anyone here working in recruitment firm? Hows the job market there for Malaysian? All based on your competency, no Malaysian, Chinese, Indian, Pinoy bias etc as far as employer is concern. And is it true that SIngapore bank normally won't take foreigners? Not true.
I have been looking for job in SG for a month, some of you may thought that it's still not long but im getting more concern as i have sent almost 50 applications and none of them call back for at least a phone interview? I'm wondering is it my problem or what..I have two years experiences in trade finance with a global bank in Malaysia, i wouldn't say that my profile and resume are very impressive but i believe should be no problem for at least maybe secure an interview? This is a huge knock on my confidence sad.gif
I am now still in Malaysia, due to financial problem it's not wise for me to simply go down and stay without interview. With Malaysia address and numbers in resume, could these affect the employer when they are short-listing? Not really if you have outstanding cv, those are minor issues. But 50 applications in one month... got so many banks and openings? Machine gun type then hit any one can already? Be careful if you applied to the same position twice.
Thanks in advance guys
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post Jun 10 2013, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Jun 10 2013, 02:40 PM)
Depends on the hiring manager. If the hiring manager is of a certain nationality, he will give preference to his own nationality since both are foreigners. But generally most companies with local hiring managers prefer to hire Singaporeans and Malaysians.
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As one of the hiring committee for my department, I have never ever put nationality or race into any weightage. One, I won't risk my job for some country man I don't even know. How they pass through audit check with bias selection I don't know. Two, I need some one with competent skill, not some one who have common home story so I can gossip with him during office hour. Three, most of us are here because of the unfair competition in our home country, so I won't practice that so others will suffer like us. I specifically told my HR not to select candidate based on nationality for my interview round. If most places practice like what you said, SG will be similar to MY in terms of development.
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post Jun 11 2013, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Jun 10 2013, 10:28 PM)
Well, that's you.
Alot of hiring manages from certain banks don't think like you.
But having said that I heard MOM is looking into this problem already.
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Hopefully the bank you saying is not my bank, and the hiring manager is not me lol. I was involved in the hiring rounds for my team recently. The process we go through are very tedious and all following the book from upstairs, 2-3 day course before I join the committee, those MOM rules, fairness in recruiting, psychology kind of thing.

There may be some black sheep you met or heard. But I has worked with very professional HR people. After all, they still have their boss to report to. I have my boss to report to, and he has the board to report to. And complains from people not getting the job stating whatever reasons (sometime targeting us for personal reason like what you mentioned - nationality) do come in, and we will be questioned by the audit team. They are not fun to deal with.
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jun 11 2013, 10:25 AM)
This is a difference, not better or worse. It's the difference between living in a city state (SG, HK, Monaco...) vs everywhere else perhaps.

Whether wide open spaces and bigger accomodation are better... it's a matter of preference (although it has to be said that the vast majority will agree that bigger is better). Personally I value location more than space.
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I prefer a safe environment more than space. I don't dare to walk or drive around KL alone, but walking down Merlion Park to MBS at 2-3am, no need to look over my shoulder now and then.

SG still has a lot of space, but come with a bigger price tag. Drive around those GCB and landed estate, a lot of empty plot still available. The estates feel like taman in MY.

QUOTE(seantang @ Jun 11 2013, 10:25 AM)
I don't know how true this is... I've been left standing over diner's shoulders waiting for tables lots of times. Or cannot find parking near the restaurant, SS2, Uptown, Taipan etc. Or dealing with the curry mee seller or chee cheong fun seller who says "cannot wait ah, don't eat lah".
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Some hawker stall owners here also behave like that hehe, careful.

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post Jun 18 2013, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Jun 18 2013, 03:08 PM)
i repeat me and my wife, convert license from MY to SG, myself driving 1 year plus and my wife 2 few month back
no problem in renew license 
no letter stating cannot renew license whatsoever  thumbup.gif
is very legal, went to JPJ counter face to face to collect conversion letter on the spot
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Something new. I don't know how your case is possible. But my sis-in-law asked JPJ recently, the law still same like the time I applied. Only can hold one driving license, have to cancel the other one. I remember they punch hole to my MY driving license when applying.
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post Jun 19 2013, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jun 18 2013, 04:49 PM)
Who punched the hole? Singapore Traffic Police?
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JPJ in my state. I can't remember the exact procedure when they punched the hole since it was more than one decade ago. I got the impression from the JPJ officer that the MY license must be cancel according to their Act. JPJ also issued a letter from their director saying that the MY license is cancel and return, to reactivate next time when I give up the SG license with a letter from LTA.

QUOTE(ivanswk @ Jun 18 2013, 05:21 PM)
which JPJ is this ?
few thread back , this is only happening in JB  sweat.gif
i did both extraction in klang valley - edited
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JPJ in Sabah. No standard procedure one...

Eh, so you need to pay two side for the driving license renewal?

QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Jun 18 2013, 11:37 PM)
Most other states will not cancel your license when you request for the extract. Only JB does it strictly. so you can still use your Malaysia license
by book, foreign worker are not suppose to use their foreign license after 1 year. by left, They did not enforce it as long as you are not driving or riding a Singapore vehicle.
non of my license get punch any hole in it. They will just blacklist your name in their JPJ system and you can't renew your license anymore.

By right, It is illegal to hold 2 driving license at the same time. But with your Malaysian driving license still around, It would be good when it comes to kopi $$.
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So far never get any trouble from traffic police during road block. thumbup.gif JPJ side should be ok since got the letter from them.

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post Jun 19 2013, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Jun 19 2013, 09:35 AM)
hmm i think sg license is lifetime for PR /Sg citizen  nod.gif
only renew malaysia license, mainly because i am driving my malaysia car on weekend
i dun want to have problem with polis say my sg license cannot drive malaysia car  shakehead.gif
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Ya free for PR wink.gif .

Save time for unnecessary trouble. They cannot charge you one, maybe waste few hours of your time.
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post Jun 21 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jun 21 2013, 02:01 PM)
You're right. I went out for lunch yesterday... cannot tahan, went back to office, book ticket, and took the afternoon flight back to Ipoh.

Clear blue skies here luckily.
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The haze got affect the flight schedule? Yesterday PSI should be 371? Today just hit 400, can't see the opposite block in my office, later tomorrow they cancel my flight back home cry.gif
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post Jun 22 2013, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jun 21 2013, 03:08 PM)
The Berjaya Air flight to Redang at 3pm yesterday was cancelled at 2:55pm because of "weather conditions".

The Firefly flight to Subang at 3.30pm was initially scheduled to be delayed until they boarded early at 3pm. To beat the worsening haze I think.

My 3pm Firefly flight to Ipoh was delayed until we boarded at 3:30pm. Sat on the runway for another 30 minutes waiting for takeoff clearance. Luckily we were allowed to take off instead of being asked to return to the gate.

Today is worse than yesterday. And if tomorrow is as bad as today... I'd say you'd be in for a 50:50 touch and go experience.
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Flight took off in the morning, sky look very hazy, but luckily never affect the schedule. Home affected by haze also cry.gif .

QUOTE(deodorant @ Jun 21 2013, 03:11 PM)
Roughly speaking, 1.0myr to 0.9sgd (e.g. MY 5k and SG 4.5k) would be considered an 'equivalent' salary. Of course there are other factors in which you may consider coming over on a "lower" salary.
should cancel imo then you got excuse to ffk your parents for one weekend and join the gang for dinner or drinks icon_idea.gif
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Back home already, need to teach baby to call auntie before he can call dad or mum hehe.

QUOTE(almeizer @ Jun 22 2013, 12:50 PM)
Anyone can share method by transferring a large amount of money (about RM250k) from Malaysia to Singapore? If anyone wonder why transfer so much, it's for down payment to buy property in SG.

I know one of the method is TT and the rate will follow bank's rate (so might lose few thousand SGD). Any other better way?
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Change 1k sgd notes at home around 100 pieces maybe, fly to Changi in business class cabin better than TT if you have the time. They used to have 10k sgd notes, but very rare. Sometime still see it around. If you can find that then just bring the money in your wallet.

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