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SUSadvocado
post May 18 2013, 10:42 AM

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You guys misunderstood pos malaysia.

Actual postage rates still the same as before.

Just new policy forced you to pay more.

Sending 100gram packet to USA is same price as 1000gram as they charge minimum rate of 1kg per shipment.

And now you cannot send packet as mail so you pay 1000gram rate.

Please check the root of the problem before filling complaints so you can address the correct issue.
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post May 18 2013, 11:12 AM

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i never said it's right thing to do. but people need to point out the actual problem and raise the correct issues.

before pos malaysia charge min 250-500gram flat rate, you can also argue that it is unfair since you only send 50gram and have to pay for 250gram rate.

it's a private company, they can decide their charging rates, and if it's really uncompetitive people will switch courier service, or competitors will take this opportunity to gain competitiveness.

but chances are it'd be like Perodua/Proton case, even if they increase their price they are still the cheapest courier service provider so even if you complain you'd still end up using them as your courier.

that is what happens when consumer buying power is less.

QUOTE(tonytan08 @ May 18 2013, 11:02 AM)
why forcing us to paymore if you doenst use that much?
what if all the digi maxis celcom fix you  pay rm200 everymonth and you just using rm30 permonth only?
will it fair to you ?
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post May 18 2013, 11:26 AM

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Malaysians need to understand that there is no way we can compete against China sellers unless it's service provided stuffs.

90% stuff are made in China, so sourcing them cheap is not an issue.

Even if your postal fee is free you'd still have problem competing with them, since they can easily get their products for very little cost tru many backdoor means. And guess what, the cheapest price you can get is from those China vendors that sourced tru backdoors.

Wake up Malaysians, Malaysia can never compete with China when it comes to manufacturing. That is why Singapore and other developed countries switch to service oriented or higher end manufacturing.



QUOTE(evilsmile @ May 18 2013, 11:07 AM)
u dont do online biz u don't know, some people sell stuff from MY to US or other countries

b4 the shipping rate is cheap, but now pos malaysia farked them by using flat rate 1kg fees, even the item is just 100g

china seller sell <$10 with free shipping, how to compete?

next; gst and oil price hike lets see how normal people will react?
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post May 18 2013, 11:28 AM

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maybe it's time for your business to change? so instead of selling light weight items you can focus your products on heavier ones so you gain maximum advantage over the new min 1kg charging rate?

or do bulk offers like buy 5 get 1 free so you actually sending 1kg per shipment instead of 250gram?

QUOTE(tonytan08 @ May 18 2013, 11:23 AM)
you rite ,
but in some situation like your example, we will absord the cost as still have profit although drop a little bit more ,
now the situation is even worst ,tak ada untung mau lagi rugi besar o.

they aint cheap now. thats why i pop my anger here ...
small potato i can telan , now kasi coconut besar mau mati lo
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post May 18 2013, 11:34 AM

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no i'm online buyer so less effected. have some stuff wanna let go now wanna relook at my "free international shipping" policy lol.

so what you selling? must be small items. Jewels? Accessories? Condoms???

anyway even if Malaysia post is free, it's quite hard for Malaysians to compete internationally.

import goods need tax
goods imported need to pay more to distributor
goods also left over

how to compete with China, Hong Kong when they can get their stuff dirt cheap?


QUOTE(tonytan08 @ May 18 2013, 11:30 AM)
thats is what of us figure now. how to make our buyer feel comfortable.
very tough to change entire direction ....  need time figure out..

well you are online seller?  gambahteh
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post May 18 2013, 11:35 AM

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if you send 100gram to USA, it'd be cheaper for USA send to Malaysia.

QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ May 18 2013, 11:31 AM)
inb4 "other country rates are still higher than this, bersyukurlah"
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post May 18 2013, 11:41 AM

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me no seller but i wonder how to add value to your product when, you are just selling products, and all buyers care is great pricing and okok customer service. Buyers nowadays know they are paying peanuts and only expect the minimum from sellers when comes to customer service.

nowadays china seller all very fast reply, resend item (or so they claim they've resent) on broken parts, the offer free post, how to compete? the fact that many of them can get stock backdoor from factories means they can sell stuffs at 50cent and still profit.

again we tok about small time business, not ur milliondollar deals ya?

then we have all the red tapes, import permits, import tax, quota, this & that. original cost to import already higher than other countries somemore have to add this & that. current situation in Malaysia already shows malaysia can't compete internationally. most companies only cari makan locally unless they branch out to other tax heaven countries like HK & Singapore or Bermuda.



QUOTE(ar188 @ May 18 2013, 11:37 AM)
because you tarak add value to your product.. just trading by bring in from china also.. have to change your concept.
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post May 18 2013, 11:45 AM

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erm accessories like phone cover, or mp3 players?

maybe time to move up to higher profit margin products?

QUOTE(tonytan08 @ May 18 2013, 11:42 AM)
nop we are selling all electronic acessories, item manufacture at malaysia.
when we start this business already clearify our position on market.
thats why we can play  . now the fees is really beat us .. as middle range price level plus  such high postage
are hitting their local high range price. so our advantage all gone..
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post May 18 2013, 11:46 AM

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for example? how u can compete with higher cost by importing few hundred bucks item from china and add value to international buyers?

QUOTE(ar188 @ May 18 2013, 11:43 AM)
no need multi million la. even few hundred bucks item from china also can ma..
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post May 18 2013, 11:50 AM

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difficult, most high end stuff not manufactured in Malaysia.

the only high end consumer stuffs i kno, other than HDD, are Air Jordan clothes, i saw some are made in Malaysia but never sold in Malaysia.

Malaysians need to sell things unique, like customized stuffs, hand made clothes etc. but then again current malaysian generation already lost most of these abilities & creativity.


QUOTE(ar188 @ May 18 2013, 11:47 AM)
yup.. maybe look into things selling 500 and up.. higher sales figure item or higher profit margin item..
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post May 18 2013, 12:06 PM

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some companies make profit by quantities. they are not smart enough to come up with full product so they focus on certain parts. I bet foxconn takes the schematics and follow it and only focus on QA/QC & cost cutting procedures in their R&D so it's like high class worker.

but slowly these companies have gathered all the schematics & secrets from various companies that they will start to have the ability to release their own products, and beating the price & spec of their clients, just like China Car manufacturers.

in china alot of high end products are Chinese Brands, TV, Hi-Fi, fridge and cost a fraction of other well known brand price. because for the past 30 years they have gathered all the information required to build these stuffs.

i'm not sure where you get the figure of 3usd per phone but it might be true. that is why all companies like China.

remember how Japan companies started? by turning garbage tins upside down to steal documents & schematics and work from there.

but that is for manufactureres.

resellers have way higher profit margin while lower quantity.




QUOTE(stinger82 @ May 18 2013, 11:53 AM)
let me share with you some thing.

no matter how high tech the stuff u are making, if you are just HELPING to make it, and you just control the manufacturing part, you are forever fcked.

look at foxconn, they are making some of the most high tech consumer stuff, ipad,iphone, xbox, ps3.
But they are making 3usd for one iphone. and apple pocketed 70%( logistic,R&D,marketing, part purchasing)

intel and amd are making CPU's here. but that means nothing as well.
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post May 18 2013, 12:11 PM

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tat is no longer small time business liao.

it's something like assembly work liao.

need to gather big orders in order to proceed with the work. figure out the distribution & marketing. higher risk due to unproven track records.

becum like entrepreneur class liao.

not as easy as reselling.


QUOTE(ar188 @ May 18 2013, 12:05 PM)
for example.. bring in custom electronic boards at few hundred usd.. get the metal stamping guys to make the custom casing and bracket (value added).. to meet the client dimension, add some protection circuit board (custom made - value added), specify open frame power supply, fit every thing in the casing, pack in export carton sell for 4 figure usd.
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post May 18 2013, 12:19 PM

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anyway that is no longer added value service liao, it's like custom manufacture/assembling.

maybe a good electrical engineer can do it. maybe.

most people who can do it won't be reading here anyway.

too bad malaysia dun have so much talents compared to western countries. life is too good for them that they can afford whole year studying vtec engines and give modding service. here just copy pasta.

QUOTE(ar188 @ May 18 2013, 12:12 PM)
why need big orders?
i just given you example of a 3pcs order shipped to SG customer.. later they ordered another 5pcs.
hole up in RM500-600 1st floor shoplot also can ma.. one part time worker come jaga the shop.
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post May 18 2013, 12:24 PM

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actually if you have backdoor connections there are many things you can invest which will provide >50% return. many goods are still not available online, they may be cheap in the country of origin but expensive in others, all you need to do is buy A from country B and sell it at country C.

somethings are 100% highly sought after and doesn't require huge amount of money like property investment etc.

just need time to find them.

if you know friends in different countries that makes things easier.


QUOTE(tonytan08 @ May 18 2013, 12:17 PM)
correct it wasnt a online trading business base , it is so call entrepreneur business,
which involve high capital , cost.  if i got capital i sure play this game, but most of us is still climbing from bottom .
how to tahan the giant hit..
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post May 18 2013, 12:35 PM

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value added service...

the one you mention is clearly manufacturing/assembly.

or at best you call it service provider who assembles electronics up to client's spec & hopefully not many people can provide the same service.

value added service are more towards things that doesn't come original with the sales, like after service sales, free gifts, warranty & support, special request etc, the value added service i see in your example would at most be the customizing area, in the end it's still heavy on manufacturing/assembling.



QUOTE(ar188 @ May 18 2013, 12:27 PM)
if that is not example of value added service, then what is? open your eyes more ler.. if not how to earn even basic amount like 2-3k usd (which is like starting pay of US grads or those in 1st world)
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post May 18 2013, 01:13 PM

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are you sure Fedex USA also practise min 1kg rate? too lazy to check their website. in many countries they still start min with 250gram-500gram.

however 1 thing i can say, whether they deliver a 500gram or 2kg parcel, they still need to utilize same manpower to deliver from depot to destination.

QUOTE(thpace @ May 18 2013, 01:09 PM)
u do online business but dunno? don't compare maxis n your business.  one is service while yours is products based. They run in two diff modal n method. Let me explain why most courier charge min 1kg.

by air mail,  usually u charter air plane to send goods around, doesn't matter if u have your own plane like dhl or ups or none. Two factor always limit which are the weight n volume.  By volume mean how much space u take inside the airplane and by weight,  mean how heavy it is

so your item can weight just 1kg but as big as large box. For courier company we see that as space wastage. same princple apply for small items. Bringing small items less than 1kg consume alot of space. Courier prefer u just buy one big box instead if small small box.  Save sorting time and lower cost.  Having 1kg as min weight is just ti cover cost.

The word customer first is a lie, for any company profit is first, customer only second. No point having alot of customer but marginal profit
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post May 18 2013, 01:31 PM

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can, just need to maximise ur 1kg per shipment.

QUOTE(heinlein @ May 18 2013, 01:29 PM)
Meaning international business cannot do anymore lo
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