WP 808? Yes please.

That intimidating camera. I want.

No this is not from the polycarbonate EOS. There's a metal variant somewhere out there although nobody really know what it is. - http://www.wpcentral.com/aluminum-nokia-eo...g-mass-produced

So 1020 will be a phablet?

909 is an appropriate name btw.

This 'phone' is built for a niche market, like mobile photographers. Yeah Nokia is going with all the mumbo jumbo marketing it like it is the next best thing since sliced bread but it's just a slimmer 920 with AMOLED, it's unlikely to bring anything new to the table phone-wise aside from the few-and-far-between updates. OS will still be lagging behind and whatnot. Personally though I'm drooling and oozing.

That said the real focus here is the technology. I think it's pretty clear that this technology is out to kill P&S for good (which is not that hard; you just need something _good enough_ to replace them). In a few years time this thing will be streamlined enough to be in every phone in the market.

"One gadget to rule them all, one gadget to bring them all and in the darkness (of your pocket) bind them."



This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Jul 12 2013, 03:26 PM

Kinda remember seeing it $699 for unlocked versions, so expect it to be ~RM2k more or less.

32GB probably sounds enough for pictures, but space will run out very fast with those 1080p videos; and nobody wants to have to transfer their GBs of videos every day to make space. Counting OS and apps+games, which should take around 5-10GB you'll have about 20-25GB for everything else, plus the measly 7GB from SkyDrive. Bleh. Bad move IMO.

ProShot will probably have all these features if Nokia doesn't put them. Well, they kinda have to include more things now to justify that $1.99 price tag.

Wow the battery is actually 2000 mAh same as L720.. there's no way it would last half a day if you're taking those 38MP pics.

Ooooh pwetty..

@Nokia - Nokia Malaysia just plain sucks at marketing. Somebody should be fired.

L1020 is also a fail IMO, with its dual-4-sec-lag-core and no SD slot (pretty sure it's Microsoft The Turtle's fault). If Nokia doesn't do something about it, it'll end up being a novelty item like 808 instead of being the killer phone. Re-release it with a quad core, fix those damn lags, put an SD slot and they'll have a big winner. Go Lumia 1025. Or at least fix those damn lags.

Go ProShot.

This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Sep 9 2013, 09:49 AM

I know that but your regular Joe doesn't know or care about that. And regular Joe is the only important figure in this business. He also wants to see lag-less experience like his iPhone and Droids.

I can think of at least two theoretical solutions for the lag. They can either buffer the shots in L1020's huge RAM and do the saving in background (see: WP's very own image upload that works very well at deceiving users of its perceived speed) or they can reconfigure one or two cores of a quad just to process images (it should be possible as long as MS keep WP lightweight as it is). The latter is probably what Nokia engineers had in mind when they were b*tching about WP's dual-core restriction, and I really don't blame them because WP team is just inept and clueless at designing an OS. I guess we'll see if it's really what they have in mind when L1520 is released.

SD slot should be there simply because people will b*tch if it's not. And b*tch they did. People don't care what design challenge they have to face in trying to fit it in, they just know the phone sucks because it can't store 2-day worth of 1080p turtle swimming videos they took in their vacation. If they want to sell a 38MP camera taking 10+ MB pic each and 1080p video recording at 20Mbps with no SD slot, they better slap a 64GB storage on it.

I'm disappointed to see MS being so half-assed about WP, after all their yap-yap-yap saying otherwise. I want to see this platform succeed, but it cannot succeed if the team keep taking years to implement rotation lock, app kill switch, call blocking and all those mundane, _basic_ stuff that should've been there from day one.

This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Sep 9 2013, 10:35 AM

Just going along with your numbering scheme here.

1. But they're certainly not marketing it as such, and IMO they shouldn't be. Here's a phone with breakthrough technology of the future that everyone should be drooling about, with 4-second lag between taking pictures. WHY THE HELL DOES IT HAVE A 4-SECOND LAG? If I want to spend RM2k+ on a phone, I want my experience to be Flawless™.

2. That's their problem to solve. A half-assed solution is half-assed. A defeatist view on it won't help. Have they done everything in their power to solve it? If they have they should learn a thing or two about efficiency from those developers in ex-Soviet countries. (see: http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/09/skypes-secrets/)

3. There's no 4G reception in Taman Negara to upload those 5 GB videos (oh, my data charge!). Cloud storage may be a reasonable solution in NA and Europe, but the rest of the world doesn't care and their infrastructure is just not feasible yet. That's my biggest gripe with MSFT - they're too NA-centric and ignorant about the rest of the world. If you want to go up against Google, then you better act like it. Google knows how to please the average Joe, Microsoft is still a clueless nerd he was from 20 years ago.

GDR3 only took them what, 2 years? And notification center is only coming with WP8.1, in Q1 2014. Seriously I think MSFT is trying too hard to 're-invent' things. They should just do what they've been doing for the past 30 years - steal someone's idea and make money off it. Sorry that I sound like a MS hater but I'm not, really. I'm a fan of theirs and I want to see them succeed and they can't succeed if they're being a p*ssy like this.

I like that in the old days they'd just take somebody's technology and solutions and leave them to rot. They're good at that, they should stick to doing that. I mean, what the f[un] does nobody in WP team ever use an iPhone, Android, Symbian or even their own WM? Are they that conceited now? I hope Elop would slap some of these slackers out of their sleep and get them to work.

I was referring to some people who don't see call blocking, rotation lock etc as necessary. But that doesn't mean they're unnecessary. So yeah they're in the "boring-but-it-should-be-there-regardless" and some are in the "so-basic-even-my-dumb-phone-can-do-it" category. People may not use them, but they should still be there.

Edit: MSFT were excluding them because they think they're 'unnecessary' and 'not many people use them'. That's what I call clueless. You don't need 2 years of feedback to tell that these are basic features of a smartphone.

This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Sep 9 2013, 11:31 AM

Ahh... Bluetooth. They were saying something along the line of "We had no idea Bluetooth is such an important sharing mechanism in the world. We don't see many people use it in North America except for pairing accessories." Classic.

Yeah I have high hope that Nokia and Elop will bring some much-needed urgency and Actual F[un]ing Clue™ to the WP team. Much of my long rant is actually about things they have already fixed or are setting to fix but you have to excuse me if I say their track record is none too impressive and if they don't hit the top gear soon they're gonna be dead in the water.

Also, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Yeah consumers shouldn't expect to have a flawless experience even from a top-end phone but if they're selling a phone in the price bracket of an iPhone or high-end-Android-priced-RM2k+-whatever-it-is, the least they could do is try to cover up a very, very glaring issue. You can't just bank on your 41MP sensor alone and hope the average consumer would forgive your sub-par usage experience. Unless all those millions spent in R&D and marketing is only to appease the few nerds who actually care about the camera, right now L1020 looks more like a test phone for lab rats instead of an All-Glorious Flagship phone.

It's a 4-second-delay-between-taking-shots-in-which-time-you-can't-really-do-anything-else-while-the-file-is-processed. Call it what you want.

I have no clue what you're talking about in the rest of your post; I suggest re-reading my posts in full. I'm not talking about ME, I'm talking about your average, non-tech-savvy citizens who won't be too impressible and forgiving like the rest of us are. You know.. the target market that actually matter, currently in love with Copysung and iPongs.

Again don't get me wrong. I love WP to death and I want to see it succeed (partly because I've spent much money on it) but I'm not going to be an apologist about their slacking and shortcomings, especially when said shortcomings are just plain dumb things that shouldn't have happened in the first place. There's some serious flaws in their design process and they need to fix it now.

This post has been edited by Fhaarkas: Sep 9 2013, 12:48 PM

Hah. My script usually goes "if you're looking for a dumb phone with some smart features, WP is your platform."

Thanks.

No you can't start counting from L920. HTC HD7 was released 3 years ago. That should've been plenty of time to get their [sheep] together. And it's good that they churn out updates more often than Android or iOS, they just have to do them even faster and with more significant features instead of "3 months for copy-paste.. 3 months for tile resize.. 3 months for Bluetooth.. oh hey look we're releasing a new OS, let's scrap some of the progress we made,.. another year for rotation lock etc etc". It hurts me to see WP not taking advantage of their upper hand. Android is badly fragmented and now Google is doing something about it.

Also, Microsoft have to recognize that The Rest of The World is not North America, and so they need to learn how to hold their horses (this is actually one of the reasons they bought Nokia - for their global presence - so it's good that they at least see what their problem is). Hell, even in NA some of their vision is just too far ahead nobody seems to get them (see: XBone initial digital-only plan). Microsoft have a history of (unsuccessfully) pushing things ahead of their time. They even have a tablet version of WinXP. In 2002. You have this awesome cloud-based touchy touchy omnintegrated all-digital home vision? Cool. Now please come back 2 or 5 years later.

Lol well that was back in WP7 days and it's not a bashing. Coming from a dumb phone I really loved WP7 and the fact that it's just a telephone without those overwhelming smartphone baggage and "features" (although I wouldn't actually have any problem switching straight to Android and all its tinkering lol but I just needed a new phone). Now it's not so dumb anymore but still a bit dumb.

Seriously though I'd recommend Windows Phone to anybody making their transition from dumb phones, especially your abang, akak, pak cik and mak cik. The older group and those hundreds of millions dumb phone users never care about "apps" or "trend" and it's good that Microsoft is recognizing that it's these transitional users that they have to get a hold to.

Anyway this belongs more to WP8 thread than Lumia 1020 I think.

What a crap "comparison". Sure set everything to Auto and snap away to judge which camera has the better optic. It should be called firmware comparison instead lol.

DPreview Connect is going to review Z1's camera in a few days time. In the meanwhile, let's bask in the glory of L1020. http://connect.dpreview.com/post/523489204...0-camera-review

I just use Cloudy for everything lol.

Telefonica/O2 UK get the 64GB variant of L1020.

Oi is this going to come here as well?
https://twitter.com/nokconv/status/378223341397491712

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They really should just sell Lumias at a loss like they did with X360. But seriously this 64GB version should come here. Hopefully it's just a timed exclusivity like L925.