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Lemonty0305
post May 17 2013, 04:10 PM


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I am a graduate of STPM currently struggling in choosing either pursuing my studies in Manipal (INDIA) or UNPAD (INDONESIA) for Dentistry. Btw please recommend a few professional agencies as I need to register for the entrance exam and etc. I need your wise advices. Thank you:)
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post May 17 2013, 04:18 PM


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QUOTE(Lemonty0305 @ May 17 2013, 04:10 PM)
I am a graduate of STPM currently struggling in choosing either pursuing my studies in Manipal (INDIA) or UNPAD (INDONESIA) for Dentistry. Btw please recommend a few professional agencies as I need to register for the entrance exam and etc. I need your wise advices. Thank you:)
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If I were you, i would prefer Manipal. My friends told me that the medical technology at there are much better than UNIPAD. Yet, the decision is still on your hand. Do some research through internet. I am not sure whether my information is true or not.
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post May 17 2013, 05:22 PM


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Are you self-sponsored? Or you get any scholarship?
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post May 17 2013, 11:45 PM


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You could go to Aimst and get the same thing.

Why purposely want go Manipal?

Do you know that Dentistry is an inflated course? You pay nearly 500k for a degree without much chance to recoup it back within 5~10 years at least....

IF it's really pure interest, you could do some research instead of asking here blindly, right? biggrin.gif
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post May 18 2013, 10:20 AM


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QUOTE(tristan99 @ May 17 2013, 05:22 PM)
Are you self-sponsored? Or you get any scholarship?
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Thank you for your reply:) Currently I have had applied for few scholarships hopefully can be sponsored by any of them as I am waiting for their reply. For Manipal the course fee for 5 years is about 300K while for UNPAD it's 200K. This is excluding the living expenses, however the accommodation is included.
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post May 18 2013, 10:36 AM


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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 17 2013, 11:45 PM)
You could go to Aimst and get the same thing.

Why purposely want go Manipal?

Do you know that Dentistry is an inflated course? You pay nearly 500k for a degree without much chance to recoup it back within 5~10 years at least....

IF it's really pure interest, you could do some research instead of asking here blindly, right? biggrin.gif
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Thanks for your reply. Of course I have done plenty of research through net and agencies and even been talked to the dentists as well as my seniors. I am posting mainly to hear from the experience people. According to most of them, they claimed that besides gaining experience in oversea since you are far from home, and the qualification in India is much more valuable than that in Msia. Furthermore, Manipal is offering twinning which are 2 years in India 3 years in Msia, the tuition fees is about 300K, my senior living there he claimed that the living expenses is only RM600 per month. It will be so much cheaper compare to AIMST.

Yes even Medicine is also an inflated course especially in our country, If I were to use the 500k for this degree, I could make 1M after the 10 years, why not? Since my interest and abilities come along for this course. smile.gif
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post May 18 2013, 10:38 AM


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QUOTE(eCo15 @ May 17 2013, 04:18 PM)
If I were you, i would prefer Manipal. My friends told me that the medical technology at there are much better than UNIPAD. Yet, the decision is still on your hand. Do some research through internet. I am not sure whether my information is true or not.
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Looking forward to your reply soon. Yes exactly that's what I understand from both of my seniors as well. Moreover Manipal has a new dental building, specially for clinical purpose:)
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QUOTE(Lemonty0305 @ May 18 2013, 10:38 AM)
Looking forward to your reply soon. Yes exactly that's what I understand from both of my seniors as well. Moreover Manipal has a new dental building, specially for clinical purpose:)
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Many friends of mine are doing Medicine at Unipad, cuz it's closer than India tongue.gif

But see this tongue.gif user posted image

I believe Manipal is not a too bad university, and you can spend time in both Malaysia and India

just prepare for your Delhi belly on the 1st week brows.gif

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QUOTE(Lemonty0305 @ May 18 2013, 10:36 AM)
Thanks for your reply. Of course I have done plenty of research through net and agencies and even been talked to the dentists as well as my seniors. I am posting mainly to hear from the experience people. According to most of them, they claimed that besides gaining experience in oversea since you are far from home, and the qualification in India is much more valuable than that in Msia. Furthermore, Manipal is offering twinning which are 2 years in India 3 years in Msia, the tuition fees is about 300K, my senior living there he claimed that the living expenses is only RM600 per month. It will be so much cheaper compare to AIMST.

Yes even Medicine is also an inflated course especially in our country, If I were to use the 500k for this degree, I could make 1M after the 10 years, why not? Since my interest and abilities come along for this course. smile.gif
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please PM me when you have made 1M after 10 years. i would really like to hear your success story notworthy.gif
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lol. UNPAD.

I once had a colleague from UNPAD. she takes about 3 sessions to complete a simple RCT case. each session took her 3-4 hours (3x4=12 hours for ONE RCT CASE) but as for my friends and I, we take just about 1-1.5 hours for the entire case!

another one from MEDAN. the rest of the world uses stainless steel or nickel titanium for shaping of canals. this fellow uses paper points.

conclusion: Indonesia produces lousy dental graduates. period.

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post May 18 2013, 02:18 PM


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QUOTE(Lemonty0305 @ May 18 2013, 10:36 AM)
Thanks for your reply. Of course I have done plenty of research through net and agencies and even been talked to the dentists as well as my seniors. I am posting mainly to hear from the experience people. According to most of them, they claimed that besides gaining experience in oversea since you are far from home, and the qualification in India is much more valuable than that in Msia. Furthermore, Manipal is offering twinning which are 2 years in India 3 years in Msia, the tuition fees is about 300K, my senior living there he claimed that the living expenses is only RM600 per month. It will be so much cheaper compare to AIMST.

Yes even Medicine is also an inflated course especially in our country, If I were to use the 500k for this degree, I could make 1M after the 10 years, why not? Since my interest and abilities come along for this course. smile.gif
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If you are so confident you can make 1 million MYR after 10 year, go ahead.

Simple mathematics shows it's very difficult.

Using the highest co-factor of possible earning, averaged by years, multiplied by the number of years which is 10 minus your 500k investment and taxes, you need to make something more than 1,5 million in the 1st place.

1st year ~ 3rd year = Start of Career = 4k at most = 4,000 x 12 x 3 = 144,000

4th year to 6th year = Specialization process = Maybe 8k onwards = 8,000 x 12 x 2 = 192,000

6th year to 10th year = Maybe you become big shot already, 20k onward = 20,000 x 12 x 4 = 960,000

Total earned = 1.296 million - 500k initial spendings - ( Average tax - 20% at least ) = 536,000

It's theoretically possible to reach 1 million in GROSS earning, but very difficult to make 1 million in NETT earning

Plus, the 6th year to the 10th year's earnings are likely inflated compared to logical earning as a benefit of doubt to you.

QUOTE(zstan @ May 18 2013, 01:42 PM)
please PM me when you have made 1M after 10 years. i would really like to hear your success story  notworthy.gif
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Lol, refer my calculations above and see if it's possible or not laugh.gif
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post May 18 2013, 02:23 PM


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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 18 2013, 02:18 PM)
If you are so confident you can make 1 million MYR after 10 year, go ahead.

Simple mathematics shows it's very difficult.

Using the highest co-factor of possible earning, averaged by years, multiplied by the number of years which is 10 minus your 500k investment and taxes, you need to make something more than 1,5 million in the 1st place.

1st year ~ 3rd year = Start of Career = 4k at most = 4,000 x 12 x 3 = 144,000

4th year to 6th year = Specialization process = Maybe 8k onwards = 8,000 x 12 x 2 = 192,000

6th year to 10th year = Maybe you become big shot already, 20k onward = 20,000 x 12 x 4 = 960,000

Total earned = 1.296 million - 500k initial spendings - ( Average tax - 20% at least ) = 536,000

It's theoretically possible to reach 1 million in GROSS earning, but very difficult to make 1 million in NETT earning

Plus, the 6th year to the 10th year's earnings are likely inflated compared to logical earning as a benefit of doubt to you.
Lol, refer my calculations above and see if it's possible or not  laugh.gif
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So 1 million is possible? thumbup.gif Aiming for local university now
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QUOTE(henghuang @ May 18 2013, 02:23 PM)
So 1 million is possible?  thumbup.gif Aiming for local university now
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It's theoretically possible.

Can you read properly?

You could, in theory make 1 million.

In reality, that's another story....
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post May 18 2013, 03:19 PM


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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 18 2013, 02:36 PM)
It's theoretically possible.

Can you read properly?

You could, in theory make 1 million.

In reality, that's another story....
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I believe with hardwork and dedication, it's possible blush.gif
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QUOTE(henghuang @ May 18 2013, 03:19 PM)
I believe with hardwork and dedication, it's possible blush.gif
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Sorry to quash your dreams, but it's unlikely possible to make 1 million unless you are one in a million, esp in Malaysia.
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post May 19 2013, 02:12 PM


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QUOTE(TheCagedBird @ May 18 2013, 11:01 AM)
Many friends of mine are doing Medicine at Unipad, cuz it's closer than India tongue.gif

But see this tongue.gif  user posted image

I believe Manipal is not a too bad university, and you can spend time in both Malaysia and India

just prepare for your Delhi belly on the 1st week brows.gif
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WOAH thanks for that info biggrin.gif It's their honour to be granted! Btw what do you mean to prepare for Delhi belly? Do you mean their food delicates? Hope for your reply!
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post May 19 2013, 05:14 PM


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for someone who is hoping to make millions from professional course such as dentistry or medicine..clearly, you are not passionate enough..
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QUOTE(tortoise_bobo @ May 19 2013, 05:14 PM)
for someone who is hoping to make millions from professional course such as dentistry or medicine..clearly, you are not passionate enough..
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in the current msian climate of buying courses and degrees, it has nothing to do with 'passion' but everything about money.....

note that so far in this thread, people are talking about a critical course, which in most parts of the world, is a very selective and difficult course to get into.....and students in their forums will be talking about academic results, entry tests, selection cut-offs, etc.....

here, it's about the fees, what 'agent' to use, and how much one can earn after that.....

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QUOTE(Lemonty0305 @ May 19 2013, 02:12 PM)
WOAH thanks for that info biggrin.gif It's their honour to be granted! Btw what do you mean to prepare for Delhi belly? Do you mean their food delicates? Hope for your reply!
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Lol, yea, the local Indian food, besides Delhi belly, there's Delhi boil
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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 19 2013, 06:06 PM)
in the current msian climate of buying courses and degrees, it has nothing to do with 'passion' but everything about money.....

note that so far in this thread, people are talking about a critical course, which in most parts of the world, is a very selective and difficult course to get into.....and students in their forums will be talking about academic results, entry tests, selection cut-offs, etc.....

here, it's about the fees, what 'agent' to use, and how much one can earn after that.....
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true..which makes me despise a number of my friends... for them, getting a medical is a route to earning more and seeking prestige. and majority of them are from matriculation while the 'richer' go to Russia...
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QUOTE(edge85 @ May 18 2013, 01:48 PM)
lol. UNPAD.

I once had a colleague from UNPAD. she takes about 3 sessions to complete a simple RCT case. each session took her 3-4 hours (3x4=12 hours for ONE RCT CASE) but as for my friends and I, we take just about 1-1.5 hours for the entire case!

another one from MEDAN. the rest of the world uses stainless steel or nickel titanium for shaping of canals. this fellow uses paper points.

conclusion: Indonesia produces lousy dental graduates. period.
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Wow is that true? Thanks for your information that's really helpful. Btw are you a dentist now? Which uni are you from?
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QUOTE(tortoise_bobo @ May 19 2013, 05:14 PM)
for someone who is hoping to make millions from professional course such as dentistry or medicine..clearly, you are not passionate enough..
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My passion towards dentistry doesn't shown in words, It's all reflected in my action and that's my ambition. You have no right to judge over my passion since you only know everything ON me, not IN me.

As in the previous post, I was assuming that we need not 500k for the course, instead I can do it with 250 or 300k in India or Indon. Of course I would be happy IF AND ONLY IF I could use the 500k to make 1m smile.gif


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QUOTE(TheCagedBird @ May 19 2013, 08:00 PM)
Lol, yea, the local Indian food, besides Delhi belly, there's Delhi boil
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That's sounds great! At least there's something make me feel home:D
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Manipal is a LOCAL degree and not an Indian degree. The two years pre-clinical in India is mostly theoretical and the clinicals are done in bolehland.

Indonesia is never the preferred choice for both med and dentistry.
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please note that the melaka manipal degree is NOT recognised in India, although it is supposedly from an indian uni, and part of the course is done in india....not that it matters anyway for the majority of people.....

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It seems there are a lot of angry people here smile.gif
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Go IMU... RM500k, decent university, worth it.
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