cost-cutting and killing drivers.
and they denied it.

news clip

I am not surprised. That's why each area needs to do their own crash tests. It's (relatively) easy to call out the car makers too... import the same model but bought from Europe or America, and crash that. Same test. See how different the results are.



And supposedly the same car in Latin America:


As I said before, what T&H are doing here is what any car maker would do, if they can. Cut costs. It is up to the consumer to ensure they will only buy safe cars. Don't only complain, do something. You don't like the government? Vote for the opposition. You want a safe car? Stop buying the ones that are not safe.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: May 13 2013, 04:23 PM

Just another day in the automotive business

I agree, vote with your wallet.

This post has been edited by sanadi: May 13 2013, 04:39 PM

I think a big problem is that people simply think a Toyota will be safe. Even safer than lets say a VW. Correct me if I'm wrong. They just aren't informed well enough. I don't watch much TV, were the crash tests from ASEAN NCAP shown on TV? Like in the mainstream news? In Germany it is not that uncommon to see such things on TV, especially if a car performs poorly.

Unfortunately, Malaysians put more consideration into what *other* people thinks. Friends, especially families. They couldn't say NO to friends/family even though their logical thought say otherwise. It will change. *Slowly*.... *painfully slowly* but it will change. T & H & N have attained almost automotive godhood status in Malaysia.

Taken the quote from the article.


It's either Latin NCAP has the most stringent crash test in the world or car manufacturer is spewing shit.

This is serious.

ok, lets go for Volvo

My family member is entertaining the idea of getting the new Vios when it gets here in a few more months. I have no way of dissuading them. Suggested Focus to them, they tell me no resale value. OK they want Toyota, so I relented and suggested Prius C, they say too small no boot and the same no resale value excuse. They already look at my Fiesta satu macam, so I'm not gonna recommend another Fiesta.

WTF, I give up.

it's not easy to change someone's mind

This post has been edited by zerohunter: May 13 2013, 06:30 PM

I wonder what they'll say when 2 airbag no ESP cars have no resale value anymore, regardless of brand. Try selling a car without aircon...

That's the problem with RV: You are trying to look into the future. I believe the Forte has quite good RV? Everyone would have told you 5 years ago that Kias have no RV. Well... not true anymore, for some models. I believe that in 5 years a Vios will not fetch a better RV than lets say a 208 or Fiesta, quite possibly it will have poor RV.

But isn't it fun?

This post has been edited by kadajawi: May 13 2013, 07:02 PM

Resale Values are fast becoming a myth. The old guards who constantly poison our minds will no longer be relevant when extending their opinions.

Car market is fast changing.

The order of they day is:

1) buyers are getting younger - they form their own opinions about what they want..RV may no longer be a priority.

2) Car makers like Ford and Peugeot are putting in a lot of features at a very competitive pricing.. so end of the, value added features will rule.

so if anyone gives you stick about RV, just ignore them politely.

Kimchi....I think also out of the question.

If die die also want sushi, I'm gonna tell them to get the Honda City. At least ASEAN NCAP 5 stars lolololol

what u want more?

toyota has not hide behind NCAP ratings, and perhaps they dont care at all about safety, knowing at some parts in the world their products are taken for granted. dont serve me defame suit toyota, i am not saying ur products arent safe. but then and again toyota has not design something that is not safe at all.

but some car makers are looking at this regional specific NCAP ratings as an opportunity to hide behind it and be seen safe. so they got good ratings, and people who dont do good homework are conned to believe the products are certified good and safe. and sales boomed. cunning u may think but when u are behind the wheel on any vehicles made by makers with this sort of thinking, u may not want to drive very fast. perhaps a quick drive to the shops and back, thats all the driving u may be doing.

so there are cons. when u got this regional specific NCAP ratings. and please bear in mind the risk of subjectivity of these tests which may favour the home region makes

Public awareness is still severely lacking.

For example, my cousins who are almost the same age as me, have never heard of NCAP before. When it comes to buying car, it's either Toyota, Nissan or Honda since most of their peers drive them. Look at all the Almera and Vios on the road. You tell them Avanza is a third world car made for third world countries, they'll think you're just sour grapes.

Bring them to Indonesia and watch, they might had a clearer picture.

I guess many people look at pure money not the actual value.

People buy health insurance and medical cards, yet they ignore basic stuff like car safety over resale value when car safety can mean the difference between walking away from a crash or being carried away in a stretcher. Maybe you can tell your family member to think of the "lesser" resale value as insurance for his/her own well being in case of an accident.

Lambos are taxis and Aston martins are police cars in somewhere...

This post has been edited by stix: May 13 2013, 08:09 PM

lol, the ASEAN NCAP 5 star rating will fall once ASEAN NCAP will also do side impacts and pole impacts.

@mokhzaini: The Avanza was tested in China to be rather average for a Chinese car from several years ago (actually similar rating to the Gen2... the Gen2 was a bit better).

Btw.: Health insurance? In Malaysia? Why?! So I can go to a private hospital where I get so-so treatment but a nice TV? Not necessary... A safe car is much more important

@stix: Well, in Germany Porsche and Ferrari are used as driving school cars. Though it's really just a novelty thing to get customers... you'll get one lesson in it, and that's at the slowest speed possible. But yes, the Saudis have an One-77 as police car... and the Italians use Lamborghinis for that. Again, more like a novelty thing. German highway cops like to use delimited "sleepers" without police markings. It's kind of useful when you are hunting down people who drive too fast in cars that are fast...

This post has been edited by kadajawi: May 13 2013, 09:52 PM

china company took over, ever since its no more reliable.