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post Sep 25 2013, 08:10 PM

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Just noticed they bumped up the GPU, from GT630M to GT740M. And a similar price tag around RM2-2.3k, this really got me interested brows.gif

1.6kg weight and a thin chasis is a sweet bonus but I'm worried about cooling performance. I absolutely having to feel a warm keyboard/mousepad area. Any other area is fine by me.
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post Dec 3 2013, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(skysoblue93 @ Nov 14 2013, 03:36 PM)
Any of you guys mate a 5470 with ssd yet?

i bought 5470 (rm2149) laptop.. then bought myself Crucial m500 ssd, but the ssd wont work. I called up dell, they say 5470 got 2 kind.. 1 is 5470 notebook, and 1 is 5470 ultrabook.. somehow the rm2149 is notebook, thus does not support SSD. its kinda stupid excuse, but heck. anyone manage to get it anything work?

or should i just get mSata?
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QUOTE(skysoblue93 @ Nov 15 2013, 02:20 PM)
'dell' technician said, the one in ultrabook series. probably gonna have stickers..
IMO, dell is just giving lame excuse.. my 7 years old pc can use SSD with no problem lol, why newer dell cant support. At first, they even try to convince me how SSD port is different than sata. lol
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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Nov 15 2013, 04:04 PM)
does not make sense.
You mean a full SATA Crucial M500 SSD? And you swap out the HDD with the SSD?
Should work without any problem.
btw, did you clone the HDD content over? Is the UEFI set to ACHI?
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QUOTE(skysoblue93 @ Nov 15 2013, 07:30 PM)
The bios will hang, thus no further testing.
Bios simply wont get past through if m500 SSD is plugged in.
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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Nov 15 2013, 09:48 PM)
what do you mean BIOS won't pass through? There is no such thing  hmm.gif BIOS is in ROM, not affected by any hardware change.
when you press the power up button, quickly press F2 or F8 or F12, it will lead you straight into UEFI (BIOS).
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QUOTE(skysoblue93 @ Nov 18 2013, 09:17 AM)
Spam any bios button, it wont go into bios setting. The laptop will stuck at black screen with dell logo
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Sorry for quoting an old topic but this is something that needs to be addressed.

I'm planning to get one, the RM2149 configuration. Had to really control myself because was so tempted to get a MSI GE-40 at RM3.5k or a RM3k-RM4k laptop with SSD BUT if this laptop cannot accept SSDs, I would have to look elsewhere already which is a bummer sad.gif

Tried googling about this issue but to no avail. Guess I'll have to send Dell an email

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post Dec 3 2013, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Dec 3 2013, 11:05 PM)
sorry, I did not follow up with TS on this issue further  tongue.gif
hard to diagnose what is the cause without access to his / her machine  hmm.gif

Vostro 5470, i3-4010U + Intel HD4400 + 32GB mSATA + 500GB(5400rpm) + (1366x768;touch)@RM2149, 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), W8, 3-cell
Do you mean this spec? This one already has a mSATA SSD in standard spec, should not have any problem to take in a full SSD (or you can swap a bigger mSATA SSD in and wade into UEFI to turn it from caching to storage).
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No, I'm talking about the i5 and GT740M combo u at RM2.1k smile.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Dec 4 2013, 12:36 AM)
don't know if TS actually is able to resolve the issue  hmm.gif
I'm not sure how experience he / she is with laptop, whether he / she went into UEFI to change it to Boot from USB 1st (since he / she decided not to clone the HDD) and use USB boot disc in order to install OS (that should be done before he / she swapped out the HDD) ...  hmm.gif
anyway, afaik, no laptop models have UEFI that "lock out" SSD (it's just normal SATA connection as far as UEFI / BIOS is concerned).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjIPTCDos_k

One of the comments mentioned:

"it doesnt support boot from ssd, u need to boot on hdd which then divert to ssd"

What do you think he meant by that? Divert to SSD? hmm.gif

Anyways, I believe the video shows the same problem skysoblue93 has had. Hopefully he has resolved it and can provide a detailed explanation on the process thumbup.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Dec 4 2013, 10:46 AM)
don't understand the comment  hmm.gif
the issue could be slightly different. in that video (it's not very clear), that guy was able to get into BIOS (but I'm not sure whether it was before or after the SSD swap in), but TS claimed he / she could not get into BIOS at all  hmm.gif

one hypothesis I had was the boot process was faster than TS was used to previously with HDD, and he / she did not press F2 quick enough, and boot hit the SSD, which was blank without OS, and stuck there  hmm.gif
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So this is Dell Malaysia's reply:

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please allow us to clarify on your queries. For your information, our Vostro 5470 has come out with 2 version, normal laptop and ultrabook.

1. Normal laptop.
* It has come with normal HDD, mSATA SSD but it is not support SSD as the primary hard disk

2. Ultrabook
* It has only come with SSD but this Ultrabook is not available in Malaysia at the moment.

Hope this clarifies.


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Can't understand why it cannot support SSD? Not the standard SATA connection ah? Some sort of special magic connection hmm.gif
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post Dec 5 2013, 05:25 PM

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Latest reply when I asked this:

Question:
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May I know the reason why it does not support SSD? It's just a standard 2.5" SSD which would fit that HDD slot. If possible, I hope the technical team can come up with a reasonable solution to this as this is a turn off for me and a lot of people.

Almost every other laptop in the market can easily install an SSD without any hiccups so I'm not sure why this is the case for the Vostro 5470.


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Hi Kevin, we understand your eagerness for upgrading the SSD, however, due to the motherboard compatibility issue, it is unable to support SSD. We have a customer upgrade this model from HDD to SSD, but end up his laptop unable to boot up.


Well, that's just so SAD sad.gif
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post Dec 5 2013, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Khalid21 @ Dec 5 2013, 06:56 PM)
Just buy Msata(128gb)..  And install your window...  Ur hdd as backup
Check dell forum ( how to install window at msata)
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Dell Vostro 5470 has an mSata slot?
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post Dec 6 2013, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 5 2013, 07:35 PM)
yeah, dell already add in additional options for vostro 5470 which come with mSATA.
nice option there for those who lazy to upgrade by themselves.
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QUOTE(Khalid21 @ Dec 6 2013, 07:33 PM)
Make sure to buy halfsize msata
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Thanks!

Khalid21 What's the name of that specific mSATA sized? I can't remember but I recall something like a M2 sata which is a new type [at the time where I remembered, it was a new type of mSATA to be used in the Lenovo Y510p and not any other type of older mSATA]

Many thanks!
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post Dec 10 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Dec 10 2013, 03:12 PM)
did you clone the boot drive along?

LOL at dell comments.. sorry i was late, my gf laptop have NO PROBLEM running with SSD alone..
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Ok, wait. Your GF's laptop is the Dell Vostro 5470 and can run SSD as boot drive without any problems? hmm.gif
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post Dec 10 2013, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Dec 10 2013, 03:26 PM)
yes. so far no problem...ssd (7mm, 9mm wont fit) in place of hdd.. Not mSata.

please ensure when you clone, clone the boot drive (system partition) alone..

it took me an hour to get it correct.. it is not as difficult as my asus g55vw --> msata.. sweat.gif  maybe i should open up shop..LOL  smile.gif
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I don't intend to clone at all. Can't just install a brand new OS into the SSD by using the recovery disc? (Since the OS is saved in the BIOS?)
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post Dec 10 2013, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Dec 10 2013, 03:45 PM)
hmm.gif do you have any other win cd other than recovery disk? need to know hows the recovery disk install the windows. you need to identify the boot drive [EFI system partition].

try to install using windows cd (not recovery) you wont have much problem.
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I have no idea as well. I sold off my Dell Studio XPS 16 about a year back and I do remember there's a Windows recovery disc but I did not do any HDD upgrading, so I'm not too sure how it works also actually hmm.gif
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post Dec 21 2013, 03:12 PM

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So, any 5470 users managed to install SSD as a boot drive?
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post Dec 25 2013, 10:43 PM

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Any updates or new users? This SSD incompatibility issue is really bugging my head sad.gif
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post Dec 26 2013, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(pobox @ Dec 26 2013, 02:05 AM)
This is probably why they are not bundling the SSD deal in the new 5470.
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From what I know, there are 2 variants for this notebook:

1) Notebook

2) Ultrabook

Malaysian version is option 1, which isn't compatible with SSD.

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post Dec 26 2013, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(enduser @ Dec 26 2013, 08:05 AM)
This 5470 model come with 32GB mSATA ssd  http://www.dell.com/my/p/vostro-5470/pd?oc..._id=vostro-5470
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Kinda overpriced in my opinion. Extra 32GB SSD for close to RM500
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post Dec 27 2013, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(fastreader @ Dec 27 2013, 11:49 AM)
when u say u not taking it out, u mean u not taking the laptop out or not taking the battery out?..

anyway, my concern is that the battery cannot be removed even when the comp is plugged into a power outlet. smile.gif

am worried that this will shorten the lifespan of the battery...but then again, i read online that nowadays the battery life wont b affected juz because the lappie is plugged into a power outlet...thats y i'm a bit confused there. smile.gif
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It will, charging will heat up the battery. Heat is the number one battery killer, that's why it's always advisable to avoid subjecting it to a lot of heat.
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post Dec 27 2013, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Dec 27 2013, 05:25 PM)
No problem, I am also thinking of getting this model for my sis haha. The issue cannot install ssd is bugging me though.

In short, nothing wrong with non-removeable batteries. If you are not unlucky, the battery should last for few years. These kind of battery reduces the laptop weight a lot, I went lowyat plaza yesterday & wow, this laptop is light lol. Almost as light as my zenbook  laugh.gif

Was thinking of the asus U38DT but after reading reviews, seems like that cpu is nothing close to this  sad.gif Else I would have gotten that because its build quality is much better  laugh.gif  Also I see brightstar offers 3 years warranty with just RM10 extra, anyone knows about this? Is it legit? Its too cheap that I am kinda suspicious  laugh.gif
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Yes, I even confirmed with Dell by calling the technical team up (Malaysian 5470 isn't compatible with SSD)

I got an idea for you, pass your ASUS to your sis tongue.gif
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post Dec 27 2013, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Dec 27 2013, 06:07 PM)
Man, this sucks. I guess no choice but to buy the one with the mSata ssd  sad.gif

Told her, she dont want haha. Because last time also I pass my old HP laptop to her, now she wants a "NEW" laptop. She say dont want 2nd hand stuff anymore liao  doh.gif
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I think the mSATA SSD is for caching only but the install the OS there I'm not too sure already.

Ohh haha, I would have grabbed it if I were her biggrin.gif Super nice ultrabook wei, and somemore free blush.gif
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QUOTE(justinlee @ Dec 27 2013, 08:25 PM)
reading from the posts above I understand that the vostro 5470 does not support SSD. As a vostro 5460 owner, I was planning on upgrading to a Samsung EVO 840 SSD. Could you guys tell me if the vostro 5460 supports SSD?
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It seems the 5460 supports it according to Alexdino

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=65089257

Thing about the 5470 as clarified by Dell Malaysia FB page (which is non existent now lol)

There are 2 version of the 5470

1) Notebook- Which is what is being sold here in Malaysia <--- Not compatible with SSD
2) Ultrabook- in other countries <---- This would be compatible with SSD

I don't know what's the big deal with the motherboard but people have been having problems booting from the SSD, refer back to page 38 on this thread or:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjIPTCDos_k
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post Dec 27 2013, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Dec 27 2013, 10:56 PM)
Please tell me this works  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif


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I know about this new product but they kinda cost a bomb, close to RM1k if not mistaken

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