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 Volkswagen Cars Discussion : Ver. MK VII, Das Auto!

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post Aug 24 2013, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(phas3r @ Aug 24 2013, 09:00 PM)
Test drove the Mk7 Gti today, will test drive again tomorrow lol

engine sound is different, Mk6 Gti is better i think
less thick steering wheel compared to mk6 gti
power is more low down due to the 350Nm torque
very confident handling, and this is without DCC and the diff from PPack(coming soon)

discount for RM5k to upgrade to tech pack and RM1.5K top up for 19" santiago rims
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Confirm P Pack coming soon ? And the upgrade price is half of what was quoted in Paul Tan ?

I was planning to test drive next week with intention to book already ( if everything goes well la ! )
but this will make me pause. Not that I really need the power pack but for the price diff (in UK) Why not.
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post Aug 25 2013, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Aug 24 2013, 08:06 PM)
Just pray very hard that the 7-speed DSG gearbox doesn't cause you any grief. In terms of after service, I would recommend that you choose a dealer with a good reputation. Otherwise get a lot of headaches as well. This goes for both marques.
Is the 7 speeder problematic? I thought it was the 6 speeder?

Which would you choose between the CC and the 320i? Why?
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post Aug 25 2013, 10:39 AM

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Hi , I have a few questions to ask about my Polo TSI and hope somebody kind here to answer my questions .

I intend to change my Polo's Audio System ( RCD210 ) to a RCD510 which I'm going to buy on eBay .
But after I change the audio system , will the parking aid system on the RCD210 still appear on the RCD510 ?
Also , is it easy to change it ? How much would it cost if I ask someone to change it for me ?
Would my warranty be voided if I change it ?

Hope someone could answer my questions . thanks !
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post Aug 25 2013, 12:34 PM

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Yes... It will still have and infact is nicer!
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post Aug 25 2013, 03:42 PM

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Test drove the MK7 GTI the other day!!!

As a conclusion,all I can say is that it is the most awesome hatchback I have driven in a long time! Power is much better than the MK6 GTI !!

Engine & exhaust sound is fabulous, handling and ride is a joy . It is just so damn fun to drive this car. It is much better than the A250 in terms of driving , but the A250 wins in terms of looks.

On a sidenote, the problematic gearbox is the 7 speeder gearbox! 6 speeders in the GTIs are perfect. No issues at all as I have a MK6 GTI now. No issues at all.

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QUOTE(phas3r @ Aug 24 2013, 09:00 PM)
Test drove the Mk7 Gti today, will test drive again tomorrow lol

engine sound is different, Mk6 Gti is better i think
less thick steering wheel compared to mk6 gti
power is more low down due to the 350Nm torque
very confident handling, and this is without DCC and the diff from PPack(coming soon)

discount for RM5k to upgrade to tech pack and RM1.5K top up for 19" santiago rims
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Tested it today and I've the same feeling. I find the engine and exhaust a bit too quiet for a hot hatch, hardly hear the noise while sitting inside the car.
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post Aug 25 2013, 05:42 PM

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wet clutch dsg not much problems la.
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post Aug 25 2013, 07:11 PM

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Nice car gti,but i dont like the engine note much..solid handling...fun car for sure..but not sure bout the price though,quite expensive ..
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post Aug 26 2013, 09:06 AM

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Hi guys.

I am contemplating between a200 and mk7 tsi.

How is VW maintanance compared to Mercedes, is the difference worth the premium feel?

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QUOTE(sLapshock @ Aug 26 2013, 09:06 AM)
Hi guys.

I am contemplating between a200 and mk7 tsi.

How is VW maintanance compared to Mercedes, is the difference worth the premium feel?
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If between these 2 definately a200.

VW service sucks big time. Merc shud be better.

But i am buying an A250 just for the looks alone.. Lol
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post Aug 26 2013, 10:16 AM

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Between the A200 and TSI7, I'd go for the Merc. Between the A250 and GTI7, I'd pick the GTI. This is just my personal preference la.

Really depends also, what exactly you're looking for in a car - practicality, performance?
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post Aug 26 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 25 2013, 01:28 AM)
Is the 7 speeder problematic? I thought it was the 6 speeder?

Which would you choose between the CC and the 320i? Why?
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The 7-speeder is the one you will constantly hear about breaking down. Just go to Volkswagen Malaysia Facebook page and see the numerous complaints about that. VW had a recall for that but still there are cases where it did break down.

For my personal view, this is just mine only, I love the design of the CC, seriously looks sexy but the interior is bland in my opinion (off the current Passat design) and I don't like the 7-speed DSG gearbox. I am the itchy type would like more power and the recommended limitation of the 7-speed DSG gearbox is only 250Nm with tolerances of up till close to 300Nm. My pet peeves with VW is that the service quality is quite shitty, they don't notify you when something is wrong with your car, they set false expectations and they constantly give bullshit excuses.

The 320i on the other hand, is lacking of accessories in terms of the interior. I would like it to have a bigger screen of course and with all the other bells and whistles. Power wise it is good and a simple tuning box you can get more power out of the engine. I love the 8-speed ZF gearbox on the BMW, really awesome and smooth compared to my E90's 6-speed gearbox. After abusing the F30's on the track for two days, I come to appreciate the car a lot more, in terms of the brakes and durability (went around 30 laps with a quick 10 minute break between 15 laps) and the car still can take it with hard braking. Just that the suspension isn't really that setup for track but overall in terms of driveability and comfort, I like it very much.

If I were to spend in that price range, I would wait till the end of the year, and see if there are any stock clearance deals and get myself a used 328i or a premium selection 328i.
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I never liked the new MK7 Golfs, till I saw one MK7 GTI, in real life.
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QUOTE(sLapshock @ Aug 26 2013, 09:06 AM)
Hi guys.

I am contemplating between a200 and mk7 tsi.

How is VW maintanance compared to Mercedes, is the difference worth the premium feel?
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Frankly, I ask my friend who working in Europe, Mercedes is better smile.gif
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post Aug 26 2013, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(sLapshock @ Aug 26 2013, 09:06 AM)
Hi guys.

I am contemplating between a200 and mk7 tsi.

How is VW maintanance compared to Mercedes, is the difference worth the premium feel?
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if $$ is not an issue, a200 is a better choice, imo. Like the exterior a lot
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post Aug 26 2013, 06:23 PM

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The reason to make 7-speed DSG is to:
1.Improve Acceleration
2.Improve fuel consumption

That is why they chose dry clutch because with wet clutch there is more power loss which will negate the purpose of point 1 & 2. Which is evident when coupling it on lower powered engines. A dry DSG will perform better than a wet DSG at the price of durability.


QUOTE(Mavik @ Aug 26 2013, 10:41 AM)
The 7-speeder is the one you will constantly hear about breaking down. Just go to Volkswagen Malaysia Facebook page and see the numerous complaints about that. VW had a recall for that but still there are cases where it did break down.
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post Aug 26 2013, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Aug 26 2013, 06:23 PM)
The reason to make 7-speed DSG is to:
1.Improve Acceleration
2.Improve fuel consumption

That is why they chose dry clutch because with wet clutch there is more power loss which will negate the purpose of point 1 & 2. Which is evident when coupling it on lower powered engines. A dry DSG will perform better than a wet DSG at the price of durability.
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As much theory as you can spout, if you haven't gone through the constant headaches that comes with the dry DSG, don't go spouting all the "theories" behind it. I have gone through two mechatronic failures and not having my car for more than 4 weeks to get them replaced.

Also don't just spew off marketing facts because if based on your points,

1) Improve acceleration, then the R series and the Golf GTI and Scirocco 2.0 would be using the 7-speed DSG. But no, they still stuck with the 6-speed DSG instead.
2) Your definition of better performance is purely on just fuel consumption and definitely not in terms of car speed, acceleration and driving performance.
3) "A dry DSG will perform better than a wet DSG at the price of durability".
I fill up my tank on a weekly basis. With the dry DSG and your so called better performance, maybe I save RM5-7 a week. In total, 53 weeks a year, I save RM371 a year. If my mechatronic fails outside of warranty, it would costs RM8000 to replace it. I would need to drive 21 years before I actually reach my savings of RM8000. Hell no.
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post Aug 26 2013, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Aug 26 2013, 06:40 PM)
As much theory as you can spout, if you haven't gone through the constant headaches that comes with the dry DSG, don't go spouting all the "theories" behind it. I have gone through two mechatronic failures and not having my car for more than 4 weeks to get them replaced.

Also don't just spew off marketing facts because if based on your points,

1) Improve acceleration, then the R series and the Golf GTI and Scirocco 2.0 would be using the 7-speed DSG. But no, they still stuck with the 6-speed DSG instead.

Because Golf & Scuricci R has higher engine output. Dry Clutch is only suitable in lower powered engines, even though it offers more power & fuel efficiency it cannot handle higher power. Note i'm talking about the wet/dry aspect and not the 6/7 speed, because if we take into account 6/7 speed obviously with the quick shifting of DSG having an extra gear helps optimizing acceleration & fuel consumption, at the cost of the weight of 1 extra gear which is outweighed by the benefit.

2) Your definition of better performance is purely on just fuel consumption and definitely not in terms of car speed, acceleration and driving performance.

I don't see why not, unless you have 2 identical cars 1 using dry & 1 using wet side by side going 0-100 to prove it, wet clutch will require more inertia due to resistance by the liquid while dry has more grip, so dry will be able to accelerate more than wet, unless you are comparing it in endurance then dry clutch will burn out faster & becomes slower or totally stop.

3) "A dry DSG will perform better than a wet DSG at the price of durability".
I fill up my tank on a weekly basis. With the dry DSG and your so called better performance, maybe I save RM5-7 a week. In total, 53 weeks a year, I save RM371 a year. If my mechatronic fails outside of warranty, it would costs RM8000 to replace it. I would need to drive 21 years before I actually reach my savings of RM8000. Hell no.

So? Isn't that my point?

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In the end i stated Dry clutch has the performance benefits over Wet, at the price of Durability & only suitable to lower powered engine. I never stated Dry clutch is better than Wet so there is no reason to get upset about my statements even though i feel for you having to go tru the pain of spending time & money repairing the DSG and i'm sorry that you have to experience it 1st hand instead of doing some research over it before choosing your purchase.

If DSG or Semi-Auto is really that great overall Toyota would have used the technology, but even their LFA is still automatic, and only GT-R, Evo & Sti uses similar tech. In the end you want performance & tech you pay for it. If only we have the manual version here, but even Polo they ditched it for the DSG. I guess higher maintenance benefits local service centers.

BTW rm8k is considered cheap for a 7-speed DSG replacement.

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post Aug 26 2013, 07:51 PM

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Occasional spirited driving with the 1.4tsi dry clutch Golf or Scirocco should be fine. But some of the owners drive them like it's a GTI. Not what the gear box was intended to do, which leads to problems I guess..

Ford's 6-speeder dry clutch does have its problems although not as problematic as the VW's?
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QUOTE(advocado @ Aug 26 2013, 07:24 PM)
In the end i stated Dry clutch has the performance benefits over Wet, at the price of Durability & only suitable to lower powered engine. I never stated Dry clutch is better than Wet so there is no reason to get upset about my statements even though i feel for you having to go tru the pain of spending time & money repairing the DSG and i'm sorry that you have to experience it 1st hand instead of doing some research over it before choosing your purchase.

If DSG or Semi-Auto is really that great overall Toyota would have used the technology, but even their LFA is still automatic, and only GT-R, Evo & Sti uses similar tech. In the end you want performance & tech you pay for it. If only we have the manual version here, but even Polo they ditched it for the DSG. I guess higher maintenance benefits local service centers.

BTW rm8k is considered cheap for a 7-speed DSG replacement.
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Not upset at all, just stating my opinion that's all. I couldn't have known about the DSG at the time. I got the 1st batch of Golf TSI so at the time no one had the experience with the dry clutch DSG. RM8k is only for the mechatronic portion and not the full gearbox. cry.gif cry.gif But not faulting the dry clutch at all, it is just that the issue with it wasn't admitted by VW until much much later and after so many other countries have issued recalls. Apparently it is caused by the built-up of sulphur which shorts the wires.

Well the LFA was designed to be as light as possible by the engineers so they chose a single clutch sequential gearbox.

"When asked why a single-clutch sequential gearbox was chosen for the LFA rather than the dual-clutch gearboxes that are in vogue these days, Lexus' representative explained that the sequential transaxle was both lighter and less complex than the dual-clutch. As you'll soon learn, lightness is something that the LFA's engineers took very seriously." - Quote from an article

Actually you are right in terms of overall efficiency. Based on a report where they used a 6-speed DSG wet clutch and a 7-speed DSG dry clutch on a Golf 1.4, the efficiency of the dry clutch is 91% versus 85% on the 6-speed wet clutch. I am assuming that better efficient transfer of gears and power should equate to better acceleration, couldn't find any sources which will prove that - reference

In terms of how great DSG is, well, there will always be two schools of thought for it. So far the ones that come up to mind are usually those in the VW family such as VW, SEAT, Skoda, Audi, Porsche, Bugatti as well as other makers such as Ford, BMW (in their M models), BYD, Chrysler, GM, Honda (in development), Hyundai, McLaren, Mercdes Benz, Mitsubish, Nissan, and Renault. Of course not all of them use dual clutch systems on all of their range of vehicles. - Frame of reference




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