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SSJBen
post Apr 24 2014, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 24 2014, 08:26 PM)
i think i might prefer the sound of a open headphone.. but sometimes i need some noise isolation.. CAL! doing bad on noise isolation lol.. but i saw ur deal about x1.. very tempting.. feel like buying it already haha.. how about ath-m50x? i heard ath-m50 and it doesnt impress me.. sounds abit muffled.. maybe my source is bad lol..
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The X1 isolates nothing at all, even worse than the CAL! when it comes to keeping ambient noise out.

Using the M50x, in comparison to the old M50, it's a slight bit less bright and a little more refined in the mids. The bass now has a little more impact and control but quantity/body remains about the same.
If the M50 sounded muffled to you due to its V-shaped signature, the M50x wouldn't sound a whole lot better.

Maybe take a look at the SoundMagic HP100. They're one of the best when it comes to passive noise cancelation, but again by no means it has an airy soundstage. However it is a fairly neutral (for its price) closed headphone, there's still the inherent distortion and recessed mids, but that's the weakness in closed headphones.

Other alternatives like the Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro, DT770 AE, and DT770 Pro, they do have really good imaging. But once again, the mids are definitely recessed and they aren't much more forward than the M50x.

You can't have both, unless you're willing to pony up for the Alpha Dogs, TH600 or TH900. They are a special breed.
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post May 29 2014, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(MuhdYusri @ May 29 2014, 01:14 AM)
Wanted to upgrade from my HD 555, wondering what's good for me.
Rigs : Planning to get a Sound Blaster Z for my PC (Currently using Purity Sound from Asrock Mobo) / just using HTC One S
Budget : Around RM600
The sound that I'm looking for :

-Wide soundstage
-Solid bass, not too little or overpowering
-Not too crisp on treble
-Great sounding mids

Type of musics : Most of genres, except for classical and jazz I guess

From my research, I found Denon AH-D1100(still concern about the durability), Logitech UE 6000 and ATH-M50X to be quite interesting. Or If you guys have any other recommendations, please let me know, piece  icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 29 2014, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(MuhdYusri @ May 29 2014, 08:56 PM)
I wish they were around RM600  sad.gif
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Watch for Amazon deals coming up. The X1 was RM550 ($150) not too long ago.

Otherwise your best alternative is an AKG K612 (which I feel is more refined than the X1 with a slight decrease in overall bass kick). RM690, so if you can squeeze out that extra RM90 then I guarantee you won't regret. As with many AKGs, a little bit of amping will be benifitual.
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post Jun 29 2014, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(VagueConcerns @ Jun 29 2014, 02:18 AM)
Since you're using it mostly for music and movies, a Superlux would be a wiser choice. A gaming headset's sole purpose is accurate sound placement, and multiplayer experience (talk garbage using the mic  tongue.gif ). That 7.1 virtual surround can sound pretty cool. Works great in games especially FPS, but if you listen to music and movies the mid-range (where vocals are) may sound thin and distant. I don't know how these USB powered 7.1 things work, or if you can switch between pure stereo and 7.1, but you will most likely be stuck with a sound that's only good at certain genres. They also lack treble, because you can't have a sound that's fatiguing for hours of gaming.

A Superlux is a music headphone. They can have good stereo imaging, present greater detail, very good for both music and movies. But for gaming you will find that sometimes sounds coming from odd angles aren't presented properly. Enemies coming from the rear may sound exactly the same as enemies coming from the front that are slightly far away. Enemies from top, right may sound like they're coming from the right but distant. Pretty much unsuitable for gaming really, but not a deal breaker. You can still use them, and they're perfectly fine for other games that don't require such precision sound positioning.
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With all due respect, I disagree.

A good headphone is a good headphone, no matter the usage. All this seperation of "music/audiophile" headphones not being suitable for "gaming" is the reason why people are still being bought over by the laughable marketing gaming companies are doing.

There's a reason why headphones like the AD700 or Q701 trounce over ANY gaming headsets in soundstage, seperation/imaging/accuracy. It's not even a contest.
Also, majority of gaming headsets DO NOT place emphasis on positional accuracy by elevating the mids and the low-treble range, instead they add bass that bleeds all over the mids even when there isn't a bomb exploding in the game.

The external devices are simply USB soundcards with Dolby DSPs (in this case, I'm talking about the G430) in place. If one doesn't like it, simply disable Dolby Headphone and audio will not be downmixed/upmixed into any other channels, just simply stereo.


QUOTE(tolaktakjatuh @ Jun 29 2014, 03:43 AM)
7.1 audio for gaming would be really cool. Is it possible for Superlux to emulate 7.1 using external USB like Kraken does? (if, that USB thing is even exist (and cheap  tongue.gif )).
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7.1 audio for gaming WITH SPEAKERS is REALLY COOL and REALLY SICK. But, 7.1 audio gaming with headsets is utterly dumb and is garbage.
It's been explained many times, 7 little drivers in crammed into a headset is horrible in audio quality. You do get pretty decent positioning, but the trade off in audio quality is simply not worth it. This is especially since your usage are 40% with music, you don't play music in surround on a headset, period. You just don't.

Yes there are several external audio solutions that provides virtual surround.
A cheap Asus Xonar U3 (RM130) provides Dolby Headphone, a more expensive Creative Omni (RM260+ from Amazon) provides SBX. There are older offerings which are slightly harder to get in Malaysia, like the Creative Recon3D USB and X-Fi that provides THX Surround and CMSS-3D respectively.
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post Jun 30 2014, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE(VagueConcerns @ Jun 30 2014, 04:02 AM)
I didn't say they were unsuitable, I said they were not optimal. Taking into consideration the headset of choice and budget:

1. Would you want the hassle of having a separate mic (if they're not uni-directional can easily pickup other people's conversation in a noisy LAN tournament)?
2. If you already have a soundcard that's capable of accurately emulating 5 or 7 channels you're good to go with any decent headphone, but what if you don't?
3. An AD700 has great soundstage and accuracy, no doubt. But at over twice the price and no gamer convenience?

The drivers and ear cup themselves weren't made to do the job, that's why they have built-in emulators. Why bother with complex software algorithms to simulate 7 speakers if sound placement wasn't what gamers want? They were made to make gaming easier, just like a gaming mouse that has those shortcut buttons. They were made with the sole purpose of gaming. Just like why walkie-talkies sound horrible and make women almost sound like men. But they are free to operate, work for decently long ranges, and you can relay information very fast. When you talk about gaming headsets sound quality with music is never in mind. Almost always when a gamer uses them, a game would be loading on the screen. In this case, no matter how good an audiophile headphone is, they're no match for a headset when it comes to games. Leave "conventional" headphones for real music listeners, and real gamers with gaming headsets.

I have, and would still advise that he pick up a decent headphone. He doesn't use it for gaming much and they cost less while performing just as well (or better) with music and movies.
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1) Why is a simple lapel mic that IS uni directional so much of a hassle? Clip it to the headphone cable and forget it - http://www.dx.com/p/mini-clip-on-microphon...80#.U7B0GPmSyIs
2) Then buy one. The in-line amps that gaming headsets come with are quite poor in quality, as you know.
3) That's why the recommendation here is a HD681 Evo, the AD700 was just a far fetch comparison.

How are they not optimal? Because with that logic, all gamers should just stick with gaming headsets because they are best made for gaming and audiophile headphones are best JUST for music? Sorry no offense, but that's just a wrong stereotypical assumption.

Also, there exists numerous games that aren't horrible in audio quality or one dimensional recordings that are affixed to the typical FPS games. There are games which are immersive, with good musical tracks, good sound effects. You'd wanna waste them on a typical gaming headset because of some slight convenience advantage?
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post Aug 15 2014, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(nateberuk @ Aug 15 2014, 06:49 PM)
Is kraken usb 7.1 good enough?
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Yes and no?

You didn't even ask good enough for what. Also, good enough is entirely subjective and isn't a real question. I can tell you a HD800 isn't good enough for gaming and you'd call me crazy, but that's me.

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