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post Jun 7 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 7 2013, 10:26 PM)
aku rasa betul-betul terkilan.. adik aku masuk surat khabar pasal Tempur Tanpa Senjata (TTS) Angkatan Tentera Malaysia,  cry.gif
dulu kecil-kecil aku selalu ajar dia baca buku dragon ball dan main lawan ala-ala dragon ball tak sangka hari ni masuk surat khabar pula,
dulu kecil-kecil aku selalu ajak dia lawan lumba lari lawan rintangan naik bukit turun bukit selaju yang mungkin, beberapa tahun lepas tu bawak balik banyak sungguh piala ke rumah siap masuk final seluruh malaysia lagi, dulu aku buat buku jurnal untuk arsenal fc, tak sangka betul hari ni dia betul-betul masuk tentera dan pakai lambang arsenal fc di facebook dia  cry.gif .. hari ni abanglong rasa betul-betul rasa bangga, mesti emak kat rumah pun gembira sungguh ni, badan dah six pax dan muscle berketul-ketul dah sekarang sekali dengan adik bongsu dia pun dok minat body building  laugh.gif
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Heck, kirim salam perkenalan aku kat kawan adik ko nama Zurul Afinaz Zamani tu
amanah ni wei, baik buat,t ak buat berdosaaa


kekekkee

ohh hai heavyduty

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atreyuangel
post Jun 7 2013, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 7 2013, 10:54 PM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif ko cakap sendiri la, tak pasal-pasal aku kena terajang pula nanti  sweat.gif
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aku tak kenal adik ko
kekekke

ko abang maa, derhaka kalau dia terajang ko
mihahah

kirim salam je, belum kirim kuih lagi!
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post Jun 7 2013, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jun 7 2013, 11:05 PM)
kadet pun takut

btw,TTS is gay.you wont remember any of the moves when you're attacked and pissing your pants
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speaking thru experience ka? tongue.gif
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post Jun 8 2013, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jun 7 2013, 11:37 PM)
kau amik la practitioner martial arts mana2.TTS ke,krav Maga ke,MCMAP ke

ko serang dia guna pen marker,tengok banyak mana dia kena.memang la akhir2 ko akan disarmed tp dia akan mati bleeding dulu
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hmm possible
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post Jun 9 2013, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Jun 9 2013, 04:58 PM)
FIT PASUKAN KHUSUS MALINDO DARSASA 8AB-2013

Medan, Indonesia, 8 Jun 13 – Eksesais Latgabma Malindo Darsasa 8AB-2013 diteruskan lagi dengan latihan Force Intergration Training (FIT) pada hari ke 6 di mana Pasukan Khusus ATM dari Gerup Gerak Khas dan Tim Pertahanan Biologikal Kimia (PNBK) serta Unit Anjing Perang ATM menggempur bangunan Plaza Deli yang terletak di tengah kota Medan. Gabungan tiga unit penggempur ATM ini turut disertai oleh anggota Pasukan Khusus TNI dengan dibantu oleh pesawat helikopter TNI telah menggemparkan orang ramai yang sedang berurusan disekitar kota Medan. EXCON dari ATM (Mk AB), Kept Anuar bin Hj Alias ATM turut meninjau latihan yang diadakan pada pagi ini. Artikel : Mej Sahhidan bin Arshad TUDM Photo : Sjn Hakimi (PR TD)

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Anggota Pasukan Khusus ATM dalam latihan FIT

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Anggota Pasukan Khusus ATM menuruni pesawat dengan kaedah abseiling

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Anggota Pasukan Khusus MALINDO dalam latihan abseiling dari pesawat ke atas bangunan

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FIT anggota Pasukan Khusus ATM di dalam bangunan Plaza Deli

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FIT Peperangan Nuklear dan Biologikal Kimia

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Kaedah repailing digunakan oleh Pasukan Khusus ATM menuruni bangunan tinggi untuk menggempur musuh

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Pasukan Khusus ATM mara untuk menggempur musuh dalam bangunan

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Tim PNBK dalam latihan FIT
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aik bukan fast roping ka tu?

QUOTE(empire23 @ Jun 9 2013, 05:21 PM)
You've got to be very lucky to land shots like that, especially since the Brits use the Lapua Lockbase instead of the more accurate Scenar or Scenar L. Plus being on top of a hill with a good cosine angle helps laugh.gif

At that range it is less about skill and more about playing chicken with the wind.
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how a bout very very very luck bast@rd kekke
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jun 10 2013, 09:47 PM)
well i still laughed at their deal with dutch for leopard

seriously padan muka after dutch went emo after for so long negotiate laugh.gif
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ichi??? shocking.gif

mana kaw menghilang??
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post Jun 18 2013, 12:11 AM

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sunyinye

lets stir things up abit!

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post Jun 18 2013, 03:10 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 18 2013, 02:37 AM)
Nice, ini cadangan ke soalan? hehe  brows.gif
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post Jun 18 2013, 03:10 AM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Jun 18 2013, 02:33 AM)
will the purchase of AEW&C come with MPA also? hmm.gif
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nope, but with something else
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post Jun 18 2013, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 18 2013, 10:28 PM)
rupa-rupanya kita nak tukar jet pejuang MiG29 kepada yang lain sebab kos operasi dia la ye.. atreyuangel

MiG-29 Fulcrum -- 0.34 km/liter
MiG-35 FULCRUM-F -- 0.38 km/liter
F/A-18EF Super Hornet -- 0.17 km/liter (paling tak ekonomi)
F/A-18 HORNET -- 0.29 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi nih)
EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON -- 0.68 km/liter (paling ekonomi) -- #1 paling jimat minyak
Dassault Rafale -- 0.27 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi juga nih)
F-35 Lightning II -- 0.40 km/liter
SUKHOI SU-30MKI -- 0.58 km/liter
SUKHOI SU-35 -- 0.19 km/liter
F-22 Raptor -- 0.47 km/liter
F-15 Eagle -- 0.45 km/liter

kalau camni aku nak tarik balik kenyataan aku sebelum ni.. kita angkat Eurofighter la camnihh.. tak pun angkat F15.. dah nak save minyak sangat

buat apa kita nak pergi angkat Dassault Rafale kalau dia makan minyak lagi kuat dari MiG29 ???  rclxub.gif
buat apa kita nak pergi angkat F/A-18 HORNET ke F/A-18EF Super Hornet kalau dia makan minyak lagi kuat dari MiG29 ???  rclxub.gif

pada aku kalau nak save minyak dan prestasi atas langit tu memang yang terbaik punya untuk MMRCA ialah angkat MiG35 (aku penyokong tegar teknologi angkasa lepas russia)

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aih, Operation cost mana tengok minyak je bang!
Maintenance?
Parts?
Crew?
Framelife preserving procedure?

tu letak mana?
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post Jun 18 2013, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 18 2013, 11:39 PM)
cuba kau perhati betul-betul bukan ke semua yang kuat makan minyak tu adalah pesawat pejuang yang dibina khas untuk Navy atau lebih senang cerita dibina khas untuk naik pesawat pengangkut perang.. sebab tu enjin dia dibina amat kuat kedarah minyak.. dia nak berlepas naik dari aircraft-carrier tu guna banyak sungguh tenaga

semua kat bawah ni dibina khas untuk navy (naik aircraft carrier punya) sebab tu kedarah minyak gak
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F/A-18EF Super Hornet -- 0.17 km/liter (paling tak ekonomi)
F/A-18 HORNET -- 0.29 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi nih)
Dassault Rafale -- 0.27 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi juga nih)

kalau atreyuangel kata suruh beli rafale sebab kos operasi MiG29 kononnya tinggi..
pastu kita angkat Rafale, kita dah korbankan kelajuan pesawat pemintas terbaik kita dah ni..
dah rugi kat sini, pastu kita kita pun macam tak ada perancangan nak bina aircraft carrier sendiri.
jadi apakah relevannya disini pilih Rafale?? konon nak tiru macam india.. tapi diaorang ada perancangan nak bina aircraft carrier sendiri.

kalau kita nak tiru macam australia.. diaorang bila-bila masa je F18 diaorang boleh tumpang air-craft carrier USA kalau China datang ancam diaorang.

doktrin pertahanan singapura, jepun dan korea juga antara yang terbaik..
pilih F15 sebagai pesawat pemintas yang dibina khas untuk lawan jiran-jiran diaorang, jimat kos.

nampaknya Eurofighter Typhoon dan lain-lain pesawat pejuang dalam tender MMRCA masih ada harapan untuk menang tender dia nanti,
melainkan tetiba ada pengumuman besar yang kita pun akan bina aircraft carrier sendiri, maka atreyuangel punya pilihan Rafale ada harapan untuk menang, aku pun akan tolong backing juga nanti.. tapi kalau tak ada pengumuan yang kita akan bina aircraft carrier sendiri macam India.. boleh jadi teruk gak kena hentam nanti di parlimen Malaysia  sweat.gif
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Aku tak boleh nak cerita real figure of operation cost of 17 Squadron per annum,
takut nanti boleh disalah guna oleh orang yang tak bertanggung jawab serta ada harapan aku masuk lokap (hishhh mintak jauhhhhh~)

Typhoon.
1. Cost per aircraft mahal (T3)
2. Support crew ramai
3. Supports machine seperti, dehumidifier, total renovation of hanger to fully air condition, extra care product (nak jaga fuselage kat cuaca panas)
4. Limited technology due to many of it still in testing phase
5. Nak bayar duit kat 5 negara (remember that this plane is build from 5 different nation)
6. Not battlefield proved yet!

Superhornet (or other US plane)
The most best choice, in term of money and matured technology but
1. Limited technology, resource and weapon. Yes US will determined and controled what we will get. (The closer you with US, they will favour you. We are not that close to US like the SG, TH and Indo)
2. Close watch from the US congress and every major decision or modification on the toys need the US congress written consent.
3. Banyak procedure nak kene buat bila dealing with US toys.
4. Rujuk no.3 WE CAN'T GET WHAT WE WANT - kalau tidak in 2000++ kita dah pakai SH with AESA radar. Malaysia was the 1st country offered to have SH in exchange for their F/A-18D
5. Again political factor involved is huge


Rafale
1. Cost more than SH but less then Typhoon
2. Battlefield proven and good track record during Libya war where only the Rafale go deep to destroy SAM battery radars
3. Have a good weapon proven system.
4. We can built our own Rafale kat Malaysia
5. We can get what we want in term of weapon, system and sensors.
6. MKM have a similar system to Rafale so TUDM have operated a familiar system to Rafale (tak percaya tengok video pilot TUDM MKM pilot sekarang pakai helmet French)
7. Again, the weapon in rafale also can be used with MKM (MICA)

Gripen
1. The most economical choice
2. Less crew to operate and less support crew need
3. TUDM prefer dual engine but ready to make exception
4. Some parts esp the engine are US made, so tengok balik SH no.1
5. Good weapon system
6. Leased with option to buy are available.
7. A good interim replacement for MMRCA candidate (Rafale/Typhoon/SH) before the arrival in 2020
8. Good replacement for F5E fleet and Hawk!

so tengok sendiri la kenapa wa PILIH rafale over Typhoon! smile.gif
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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 19 2013, 12:17 AM)
bagus summary kau ni.. ini baru jadi forum taktikal peperangan ni  notworthy.gif 

battle proven, F15, F18 dan semua variasi dia, Rafale

tapi semua pun ada masalah gak nih.. F18 dan Rafale memang kuat makan minyak sebab ia dibina khas untuk navy (nak naik ke udara dengan amat cepat)

macam saya kata sebelum ni, kalau kita tak ada perancangan nak bina aircraft carrier sendiri.. tak ada relevannya disini kita angkat F18 dan Rafale, ia akan hanya bebankan lagi kewangan negara nak tanggung kos operasi harian dia.. paling jimat minyak ialah Eurofighter Typhoon tapi teknologi dia masih dalam pembangunan = kos nak beli mesti masih mahal lagi sebab kita nak kena tanggung R&D dia untuk benar-benar stabil

nak buat decision payah ni, kekangan kewangan dan aset sokongan yang tak mencukupi..
paling kuat angkat Gripen sewa dulu, kalau-kalau kes macam di spratly tu nak lawan banyak negara tu semakin parah.

antara semua pesawat pejuang navy yang economy dan teknologi bagus serta battle proven memang rafale..
tapi agak rugi kalau kita angkat tak dapat guna kemampuan sebenar dia.. kalau nak buat cam india iaitu buat pesawat pengangkut perang.

kalau nak ekonomi, jimat kos dan teknologi bagus, serta ada kemampuan sebenar sebagai pesawat pemintas bantu SU30MKM dalam dogfight tapi tak ada navy capability baik angkat F15 atau MiG35.. minyak pesawat pejuang bukannya murah.
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Kenapa Naval version kuat makan minyak?
1. Dia berat - Stronger landing gear, Stronger, chassis for heavyduty task take off and landing on carrier
2. Stronger engine,
3. Usually larger elevator for much more stability during low speed approach.

Tak semestinya kita nak naval version, USAF pun ada operate F18 juga, tak semestinya navy
task dia tu penting, electronic suite serta weapon load pada SH juga penting.

Hornet and SH is the most used aircraft by the US Armed Forces aside of F16
Hornet and SH are used by all brances of the US but not F15
from here we can see how much important the Hornet family more than the F15

Number of built Hornet is 1480 while the Super Hornet is 500 to date while the only 1,198 of F15 are build to date! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ Jun 19 2013, 02:06 AM)
Sekarang South Korea sudah buka tender bagi Euro Fighter, Boeing, Lockheed Martin. Kita teagok macam mana dengan South Korea juga.

Kalau US bagi deal bagus tanpa banyak restriction, kita angkat sahaja la SH.

Kalau tidak, Rafale itu nampaknya ialah best choice yang tertinggal.
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in the 2000s
TUDM just wanted 1 simple thing for Super Hornet
AESA radar!

and US says

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and TUDM reply

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until now
hahaha
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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ Jun 19 2013, 02:20 AM)
Aku bukan sangat tahu jet fighter punya orang pun tahu itu barang penting.....  rolleyes.gif
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AESA radar tu is the latest and one of the best radar around right now
in 2000s when TUDM wanted it, the US says that it would be inbalance if the TUDM the only one who have the radar system in the SEA region
and now even after SG-AF have it, the US still reluctant to give it to us

QUOTE(souless223 @ Jun 19 2013, 02:23 AM)
personally ill take griphen or sh
btw bang antar address utk brg ni
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oit oit, okeh okeh
sat aaa
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jun 19 2013, 11:47 AM)
Northrop F-18L....pendek nyawa beliau.and one of the reason why Northrop company lingkup

but the variant are used by Finland
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F18L asal pun mmg export version

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 19 2013, 09:31 PM)
ini semua atreyuangel punya pasal la nihh promo kuat sangat rafale dan mistral dia..
sampai eurofighter pun dah macam lemah semangat dah, nak bagi pinjam je pesawat dia kat kita

mesti dulu malaysia beli scorpene ke ec725 pun semua sebab si atreyuangel kuat betul promo barang-barang perancis dia.. huhu
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aik pasal aku ke?
err sapa2 loyer kat /K sila tolong aku mintak duit consultant dari France defense punya firm!
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QUOTE(souless223 @ Jun 19 2013, 10:33 PM)
rclxms.gif
asal x suppork griphen
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Gripen aku sapot gak laa
malah aku sedey bila Gripen sama MIG35 yang mula-mula keluar dari list MMRCA Malaysia
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when the plane did pugachev cobra at 3:55
from the camera it looks like they was suspended in the air




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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 20 2013, 05:25 PM)
atreyuangel, dari dulu aku tertanya-tanya mana dia kawan lama kita dari singapura si Afie007.. atau adakah dia pakai akaun baru dengan nama xtemujin.. aku nak ucap terima kasih banyak-banyak sebab dulu dia pernah hantar berlonggok punya banyak majalah ketenteraan singapura ke rumah keluarga atas aku di pulau pinang...  smile.gif  siap dengan logo dan cop kerajaan singapura lagi dia bubuh  sweat.gif

ada rezeki aku nak ajak korang semua ke projek kat uni aku.. aku ada ajak orang tentera malaysia,  dan senior aku yang pro dalam ilmu sains komputer dan sistem pertahanan komputer datang sekali untuk projek bulan depan.. harap-harap jadi la projek dia nanti.
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x, xtemujin and alfie007 is not the same person.
Alf is quite busy now with Red Cross affairs
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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 23 2013, 03:37 PM)
surat rasmi projek jet pejuang F/A 18 Malaysia untuk lawan tender TUDM MMRCA nanti.. lawang geng atreyuangel yang gila melobi jet pejuang Rafale  biggrin.gif
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Kalau US bagi what TUDM wanted, aku all up for Hornet!

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