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post Jun 3 2013, 10:47 AM

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Fighter pilots have so many things to react to at any time.....coords, navi, engines, armament and so on.....think tactically under extreme pressure and make split-second decisions....fitness and strength to pull Gs


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post Jun 3 2013, 10:56 AM

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Syrian Conflict - A Syrian government T-72 tank destroyed by a rebel's ATGM. We could see the turret flying 50 - 100 meters high.

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Watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG1zvSK38r8

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post Jun 3 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 3 2013, 10:56 AM)
Syrian Conflict - A Syrian government T-72 tank destroyed by a rebel's ATGM. We could see the turret flying meters high.

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Watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG1zvSK38r8
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My opinion...They let the tanks go first without infantry support.... to engage the enemy....the tank should advance where the infantry has already gone
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post Jun 3 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(noavatar @ Jun 3 2013, 11:44 AM)
My opinion...They let the tanks go first without infantry support.... to engage the enemy....the tank should advance where the infantry has already gone
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Yeah... The tank was like a sitting duck in the open field.
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post Jun 3 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(noavatar @ Jun 3 2013, 11:44 AM)
My opinion...They let the tanks go first without infantry support.... to engage the enemy....the tank should advance where the infantry has already gone
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Syrian Army dun have much experience in urban warfare, thats why they brought in Hezbollah to come and helped them..Syrian army tot bring in tanks, sure rebels kecot, dun know rebels also got ATGM.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Jun 3 2013, 11:55 AM

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Y they dun ask Russian about it.
Russian pun learn it the hard way.
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post Jun 3 2013, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 3 2013, 11:55 AM)
Y they dun ask Russian about it.
Russian pun learn it the hard way.
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it tooks years for the Ruskies to subdue the Chechen...still the Caucacus region no safe place..
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post Jun 3 2013, 12:02 PM

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urban ops is death trap for armor.
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post Jun 3 2013, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 3 2013, 12:01 PM)
it tooks years for the Ruskies to subdue the Chechen...still the Caucacus region no safe place..
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which mean their counter insurgency plans suck. tongue.gif
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post Jun 3 2013, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 3 2013, 12:06 PM)
which mean their counter insurgency plans suck. tongue.gif
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that time, they have the same mindset and tactics like current Syrian regime, sent in tanks, armored vehicles, attack helis into urban warzone..

I think its good that the Syrian army is getting their arse kicked on daily basis by the rebels..
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post Jun 3 2013, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 3 2013, 12:17 PM)
that time, they have the same mindset and tactics like current Syrian regime, sent in tanks, armored vehicles, attack helis into urban warzone..

I think its good that the Syrian army is getting their arse kicked on daily basis by the rebels..
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yeah russian learn it the hard way.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 3 2013, 12:17 PM)
that time, they have the same mindset and tactics like current Syrian regime, sent in tanks, armored vehicles, attack helis into urban warzone..

I think its good that the Syrian army is getting their arse kicked on daily basis by the rebels..
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ah but the syrians seems to be winning again, thanks to hezbollah.
arshad so lansi say he don't mind taking on the israelis if they continue to harass him.
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jun 3 2013, 12:20 PM)
ah but the syrians seems to be winning again, thanks to hezbollah.
arshad so lansi say he don't mind taking on the israelis if they continue to harass him.
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thats why the EU didnt enforce the arms embargo anymore...hopefully, FSA will get more sophisticated weapons...heck, heard on the news yesterday, FSA even tried to set-up rocket launchers against Hezbollah inside Lebanon..

New S-300 missiles for IAF intrusion into Syria..
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post Jun 3 2013, 12:27 PM

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Syrian Rebels homemade armoured vehicle made by the Al-Ansar brigade

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Sham II, named after ancient Syria, is built from the chassis of a car and touted by rebels as "100 percent made in Syria."

It required a "month of work" for the design, assembly and development of the vehicle, says its designer Mahmud Abud from the Al-Ansar rebel brigade in the Aleppo region of northwest Syria.

The fully-enclosed vehicle made from light steel is about four metres (yards) in length and two metres across, mounted with a 7.62 mm machinegun controlled from inside the cabin.

The vehicle has five cameras: three at the front, one in the back and another attached to the gun.

The crew inside the cabin are fully protected, with the driver manoeuvring the vehicle by watching a screen which displays video from the cameras.

The gunner, seated next to the driver, can activate the machinegun by watching another screen and using a control stick equipped with push buttons.

Pictures taken by an AFP photographer show at least two crew members comfortably sitting inside the cabin.

The metal walls are 2.5 centimetres thick and said to be able to resist up to 23 mm cannon fire. The vehicle, however, can not withstand a rocket-propelled grenade or tank fire.

"This is my brother, a trained engineer, who got the idea. We got a car, left its diesel motor on the chassis and built the engine," says Abud, based in a rebel command centre in Bishqatin, near the flashpoint city of Aleppo.

"Not including from the gun, the vehicle costs about $10,000," he said.

Sham II, as the name suggests, is an enhanced version of its predecessor. The earlier model shielded the driver but the rest of the crew were exposed to enemy fire.

Sham I has already been deployed in combat while Sham II is soon to join the fray in Aleppo as part of the Saad Benmoaz battalion of the Al-Ansar brigade, says Abud.


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post Jun 3 2013, 12:30 PM

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lol 1 shot RGP7 gone case on the vehicle.
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QUOTE(noavatar @ Jun 3 2013, 12:27 PM)

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Shuld have use slanting armor on the side..

QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 3 2013, 12:30 PM)
lol 1 shot RGP7 gone case on the vehicle.
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can put metal grille on the side tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 3 2013, 12:32 PM)
Shuld have use slanting armor on the side..
can put metal grille on the side  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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20mm sniper.
can easily guess where is the driver position. laugh.gif
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post Jun 3 2013, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jun 3 2013, 12:20 PM)
ah but the syrians seems to be winning again, thanks to hezbollah.
arshad so lansi say he don't mind taking on the israelis if they continue to harass him.
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Unlike the 2006 Lebanon War the Hezbollah fighters are fighting in a foreign land where the rebels knows the territory very well.

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Hezbollah losses in Syria steep, but morale high 

Hassan is just 18 and a fighter with the Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah, which threw nearly 2,000 men into the Syrian army's assault on the central town of Qusayr this week.

His father Ali was also among the ranks of the Hezbollah men battling rebels in the key town, many of them holed up in tunnels.

Hassan, a gunner, came back to his home in Baalbek in east Lebanon on Wednesday after three days of gruelling combat.

His father did not.

Hassan discovered that Ali had been killed on day one of the fierce firefights. Together they had left to fight in Qusayr, but now his 43-year-old father was dead -- shot twice in the chest.

"We were not in the same place, but I had a hunch, a weight on my chest. I was thinking of him all the time," Hassan admitted before breaking down in tears.

He quickly regained his composure: "I must be strong. From now on, I have to look after my mother and sister, then I will have to go back to the battle to finish what we started."

Hassan said the resistance put up by rebels in Qusayr had taken him and his comrades by surprise.

"On the first day, we advanced through the alleyways towards the centre of Qusayr, and then suddenly the rebels attacked us from behind," he told AFP.


"We could not see any fighters, we thought there was no one there," he added, still wearing his combat fatigues, a Hezbollah scarf draped over his shoulders and a weapon in his hand.

"When we had pushed through two thirds of the city, towards the north, they came out of tunnels and opened fire on us. We had a lot of fighters killed and wounded, all of them shot in the back," he said.


The regime assault on the rebel stronghold of Qusayr, in central Homs province, began on Sunday.

Troops backed by fighters from Hezbollah, a staunch ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, stormed the town after seizing a string of nearby villages.

Hezbollah forces were organised into 17 units of 100 men each, before storming the city from the east, south and west, a source close to the group said.

The town, which lies near the border with Lebanon, is home to some 25,000 people, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

It is a key prize for the rebels, a conduit through which weapons and fighters can be channelled from Lebanon.

Qusayr is also important for Assad's forces because of its strategic location between Damascus and the Mediterranean coast, the rear base for the regime.

Hassan said hundreds of well-armed and organised rebels put up a fierce fight.

"It took us a long time to eliminate them," he said.

"We had to search each house or burn it. Some tunnels were destroyed but others are still there and the rebels are still hiding in them."

Over the past eight months, the Observatory says, Hezbollah has lost 104 fighters in fighting in central Homs province, which borders Lebanon, and around a revered Shiite pilgrimage site near Damascus.

Hezbollah spokesman Ibrahim Musawi denied those figures, without providing an alternative number, and a source close to the movement said it had lost 75 dead.

Despite the losses, Hassan said that the hardest was yet to come for Hezbollah, as they will have to take the town's northern neighbourhoods where most residents and rebel fighters are dug in.

"It is very difficult to take the last part. There are snipers everywhere. It will cost us dearly, but we will take it," he said with determination.

His mother Umm Hassan, 45, recalled the day her husband and son left for the battle. "When my husband left the house, I did not say goodbye to him," she said.

She maintained that the fight in Syria is vital for Hezbollah.

"It is much more important to fight in Qusayr now than against Israel because there are many (rebels) from different nationalities who are even more dangerous enemies than Israel," she insisted.

The Syrian regime says fighters from 28 countries have joined the rebels.

"My husband went to fight over there before they could attack us in Lebanon. We are not fighting against the Syrians but against our enemies who are in Syria," Umm Hassan said.


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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 3 2013, 12:33 PM)
20mm sniper.
can easily guess where is the driver position. laugh.gif
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that vehicle must be used for recon...maybe they got the idea from Libya's TNC fighters, many already in Syria..
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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 3 2013, 12:35 PM)
Unlike the 2006 Lebanon War the Hezbollah fighters are fighting in a foreign land where the rebels knows the territory very well.
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