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 Lenovo IdeaPad Y Series Thread v3, y510p, where are you?

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hardi_7
post May 25 2013, 07:35 PM

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Plannning to get this from Newegg. Anyone here know the price of 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1866mhz ddr3 in Malaysia? This one come with CL 10. The lowest I can for performance RAM.

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post May 25 2013, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(hardi_7 @ May 25 2013, 08:35 PM)
Plannning to get this from Newegg. Anyone here know the price of 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1866mhz ddr3 in Malaysia? This one come with CL 10. The lowest I can for performance RAM.

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just some curious, do you really need CL10 for laptop?

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post May 25 2013, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(hardi_7 @ May 25 2013, 07:14 PM)
I'm not wrong for this jotaro12. U shud see for urself the port beside ultrabay port. Try to take out the GN36 and u can see the port there. Another msata port is actually beside the ULTRABAY port so if u having a modified GN36 or GN37. U can have two msata attached on Y500. Consider the heat from GN36, it's not practical to have the msata attached beside the ultrabay port. Still, wat use le to have two msata on laptop. Such a waste.
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I already seen it when I open my back cover and GPU Ultrabay few times. If you're right then please prove you can slot in your new msata SSD and boot up under there. Then I'm convinced it's my mistake, do you accept this challenge?? smile.gif

QUOTE(sss2sssss @ May 25 2013, 07:14 PM)
I think u misunderstand his word...==
that unsolder part which u say is the mobile module also can be as the mSATA connector if the data signal is flow to  SATA host controller instead of PCI-express host controller...lol
Need test for that unsolder port, cannot say directly it's PCI-E mini card interface or the mSATA interface

And also the another mSATA port besides the ultrabay port for the external GPU one is for the HDD or ODD Ultrabay, Malaysia seem din sold these two ultrabay (dun know, need ask)
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I do understand the missing part next to WIFI card isn't a msata as why there's a need to have 2 msata connector? If you've been a Y460 owner like me then you know the answer as my y460 unit also have that missing part which is a 3G module which available for EU version y460. If you want to dream on having both msata interface, it's good but reality sucks. smile.gif

For the Ultrabay part it's easy, prove it can power up from that slot with a msata SSD, then I'm wrong. Case close.

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post May 25 2013, 08:25 PM

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why does y400 bios have very very little setting? i want to make hackintosh also cant.
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post May 25 2013, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(hardi_7 @ May 25 2013, 04:21 PM)
Another msata port is just beside the ULTRABAY port.
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Prolly gonna dissect my Y500 to check it out again then. tongue.gif

Edit: Opened up liao and I see it... This one..?
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Comparison with the primary mSata slot.
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Addon : After having scrutinised between both slots, I highly doubt the one beside the UB connector is a mSATA socket. It doesn't look the same at all. blink.gif

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post May 25 2013, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(hardi_7 @ May 25 2013, 04:21 PM)
Another msata port is just beside the ULTRABAY port.
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Optional swappable ultrabay components connected to SATA2 port or PCI Express port as below:
Sata2 port for swappable ODD, HDD, fan, normal Sata SSD (not mSata SSD)
PCI Express port for swappable ext GPU.

msata SSD need to insert in extra mSATA slot provided.

Here the pic, left for Sata2 port, right for PCI Express port
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post May 26 2013, 02:23 AM

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Er.. Why is everyone talking about that msata port? The one that I finally used was the msata beside the RAM. Heck, I even got Expresscache working already..

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post May 26 2013, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ May 26 2013, 02:23 AM)
Er.. Why is everyone talking about that msata port? The one that I finally used was the msata beside the RAM. Heck, I even got Expresscache working already..
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So if i install msata ssd, i can set it to be boot drive or storage, and expresscache ryte? And if to make it as expresscache, what should i need to do?
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post May 26 2013, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(3rw4n @ May 26 2013, 07:13 AM)
So if i install msata ssd, i can set it to be boot drive or storage, and expresscache ryte? And if to make it as expresscache, what should i need to do?
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1. Yes, you can. Sticking the msata SSD in, it will show up in the list of drives. After that, it would be a matter of installing Windows 8 and configuring the BIOS.

2. If you decide to use a SSD as a cache drive, you need the driver here. http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/...?DocID=HT074404

Yes, the driver happens to state its for Windows 7 but it works for windows 8 too. Bear in mind that the expresscache defaults to 32 GB partition. You can change it though.

Just stick the msata ssd in and run the driver. Yes, it works with the y500 also, not just the thinkpad. Performance wise, vs intel's solution - can't say, because hard to check. But it is caching.

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post May 26 2013, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(3rw4n @ May 26 2013, 07:13 AM)
So if i install msata ssd, i can set it to be boot drive or storage, and expresscache ryte? And if to make it as expresscache, what should i need to do?
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If you got a 32GB or 64GB msata SSD, you can make it as express cache. Other sizes equal or larger than 64GB is better to act as a primary drive.
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post May 26 2013, 12:24 PM

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when is y500 gt750m sli coming to malaysia ?? they only currently stock the single graphic card option in lenovo stores
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post May 26 2013, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(jotaro12 @ May 26 2013, 10:29 AM)
If you got a 32GB or 64GB msata SSD, you can make it as express cache. Other sizes equal or larger than 64GB is better to act as a primary drive.
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My problem with just using a standard 32GB msata was that most reviews came out saying that the lower capacity also comes with dramatically lower performance. Read somewhere that one of the msata tested hovers aroung 50 MB per second, far worse and almost near the performance of fast HDD's.

Bit the bullet and paid around RM60 plus more to get the 64gb (and faster version)

QUOTE(kw3nyong @ May 26 2013, 12:24 PM)
when is y500 gt750m sli coming to malaysia ?? they only currently stock the single graphic card option in lenovo stores
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A lot of resellers still has the SLI 650M versions.

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post May 26 2013, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ May 26 2013, 01:24 PM)
My problem with just using a standard 32GB msata was that most reviews came out saying that the lower capacity also comes with dramatically lower performance. Read somewhere that one of the msata tested hovers aroung 50 MB per second, far worse and almost near the performance of fast HDD's.

Bit the bullet and paid around RM60 plus more to get the 64gb (and faster version)
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Then invest bit more to take full advantage of SSD brows.gif
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post May 26 2013, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(jotaro12 @ May 26 2013, 01:34 PM)
Then invest bit more to take full advantage of SSD  brows.gif
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Waiting for 512MB SSD's to become a bit more viable before taking the plunge..

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post May 26 2013, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ May 26 2013, 02:03 PM)
Waiting for 512MB SSD's to become a bit more viable before taking the plunge..
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Yeah, im also waiting for cheaper 512Gb ssd but dunno how long need to wait..uhm..which brand is recommended?
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post May 26 2013, 03:32 PM

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is the the new y400 with gt750 come with matte screen or glossy screen?, because from lenovo site, the spec show anti-glare screen yet some seller spec show glare screen
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post May 26 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ May 26 2013, 01:24 PM)
My problem with just using a standard 32GB msata was that most reviews came out saying that the lower capacity also comes with dramatically lower performance. Read somewhere that one of the msata tested hovers aroung 50 MB per second, far worse and almost near the performance of fast HDD's.

Bit the bullet and paid around RM60 plus more to get the 64gb (and faster version)
A lot of resellers still has the SLI 650M versions.
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To me when you buy a SSD (mSata or otherwise) you should look at the spec of the product. There are lots of type of SSD with different speeds and performance. I do not agree with your statement that bigger capacity=better performance.
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QUOTE(slimfox @ May 26 2013, 04:19 PM)
To me when you buy a SSD (mSata or otherwise) you should look at the spec of the product. There are lots of type of SSD with different speeds and performance. I do not agree with your statement that bigger capacity=better performance.
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Agree on this but I think he's referring to express cache option. I've no experience on it so no comment smile.gif
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post May 26 2013, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(3rw4n @ May 26 2013, 02:28 PM)
Yeah, im also waiting for cheaper 512Gb ssd but dunno how long need to wait..uhm..which brand is recommended?
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Depends on what type you are buying. The SSD to replace the hard drive or to add at the msata port.

QUOTE(slimfox @ May 26 2013, 04:19 PM)
To me when you buy a SSD (mSata or otherwise) you should look at the spec of the product. There are lots of type of SSD with different speeds and performance. I do not agree with your statement that bigger capacity=better performance.
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Unfortunately, capacity do play a role. NANDs are like platter, they come in various capacities that needed to be linked properly to work. Take for example the Intel 525. At 30GB and the characteristics of the SSD interleaving on available NAND die, it means that in some circumstances, the SSD drive at 30GB actually flatlines at the 50mb per second mark.

Think of it this way. Imagine a 120GB HDD can be written to at 30MB per second. Now imagine 2 x 120GB HDD in a raid 0 configuration. Gives you 240GB Space and double the speed to 60MB per second. That's how some SSD works internally, which means capacity does matter.
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QUOTE(jotaro12 @ May 26 2013, 04:32 PM)
Agree on this but I think he's referring to express cache option. I've no experience on it so no comment smile.gif
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Expresscache will only use maximum 32bg for mSata config. I have a 60bg mSata SSD but still only use 32gb (no way to set it to use max capacity unfortunately.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ May 26 2013, 04:38 PM)
Depends on what type you are buying. The SSD to replace the hard drive or to add at the msata port.
Unfortunately, capacity do play a role. NANDs are like platter, they come in various capacities that needed to be linked properly to work. Take for example the Intel 525. At 30GB and the characteristics of the SSD interleaving on available NAND die, it means that in some circumstances, the SSD drive at 30GB actually flatlines at the 50mb per second mark.

Think of it this way. Imagine a 120GB HDD can be written to at 30MB per second. Now imagine 2 x 120GB HDD in a raid 0 configuration. Gives you 240GB Space and double the speed to 60MB per second. That's how some SSD works internally, which means capacity does matter.
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I am using Intel 525 series 60gb. You maybe right but I trust major brands/manufacturers will make sure their products run as per specification. I cannot comment about less know/well establish brands/manufacturers.

Till today my mSata has been fantastic with super fast boot times.

Note: for those who are using Lenovo's Espresscache remember to run the command "eccmd -preload c:\windows". This will preload the entire c:\windows folder into the mSata SSD thus making your boot times faster. The process of preloading takes time, I just run the command then went to sleep after waiting for 1hr+.

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