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post Apr 30 2013, 07:47 AM

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good post, thanks for doing the testing.

i highly agree that those powerbank which rated 20-30k above are mostly fake. how can it have so much 'power' when the size and weight are almost the same like other smaller power bank. it's like saying they can make AAA battery lasts as long as D battery.

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post May 3 2013, 07:42 AM

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what u think of this one?
using li-po

http://www.myimart.com/deal/super-power-12...pn4875v?aref=DS

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post May 31 2013, 09:05 AM

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i opened up my fake yoobao 11200mah powerbank.
inside only got 4x2200mah 3.7v batteries. rclxub.gif


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post May 31 2013, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ May 31 2013, 09:08 AM)
how do you know it is 2200mAh?
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post Jun 1 2013, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ May 31 2013, 10:24 AM)
i see. may be the actual capacity will be lower than that.  hmm.gif
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ya, maybe its low quality cell. i dont 'feel' that it lasts as long as it should.
8800mah@3.7v should be around 6512@5v. after 87% eff, its around 5665.
should be able to fully charge my phone (2100mah) around 2.7 times.
i only use to charge phone at night with airplane mode on, i can only use for 2 nights. after that, the powerbank is flat.

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post Jun 3 2013, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Jun 1 2013, 08:30 PM)
may be you can try buy the 18650 cell on your own and replace it.
See whether there is improvement or not. icon_idea.gif
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i wonder whats the max capacity that the circuit board can handle.
maybe can add few more cells in paralel to increase the capacity.
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post Jun 3 2013, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Jun 3 2013, 11:25 AM)
may be you can try on it and share here.  rclxm9.gif
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i can connect a few wires here and there
but i'm not very pro in electrical/electronic stuff.
what's the worst that can happen?
fry the board and the usb charger?

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post Jun 6 2013, 08:13 AM

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there are lots of sellers on lelong selling 18650 4000mah at around RM15each, i doubt those are any good. anyone got recommendation for reliable batteries?
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post Jun 6 2013, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Jun 6 2013, 11:47 AM)
those 4000mAh are over rated. the maximum capacity right now is 3400mAh manufactured by panasonic.
so those with unknown brand and claim their battery capacity more than 3000mAh, mostly are fake.

recommended brand for battery: panasonic, sanyo, or samsung.
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any reliable recommended shop/seller?
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post Jun 17 2013, 08:14 AM

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x-treme, when u opened ur PN-910, u figured out that the 18650 battery is 2800mah based on calculation, did u visually confirm that its written 2800mah?

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post Jun 17 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Jun 17 2013, 11:59 AM)
calculation can't indicate the actual capacity.
(3.7/5) x (13000) x (75%) = 7215mAh

7215mAh/ 3100 = 2.3 times

75% efficiency i think is because of large current drawn which reduce the efficiency.

RMB280 is quite expensive compared to Pineng.
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yes agree that YB is expensive.
Eg the latest YB model 'thunderbolt' 15600mah is around 250-270.
while Pineng PN-912 16800mah is around 190-220.
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post Jun 17 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Jun 17 2013, 12:03 PM)
yes very confirm. it is the same type as shown in above picture from joytest.
but it written 2800mAh for each cell.

it is impossible to label lower capacity because it can't produce the higher output as measured.

it is not possible to label the larger capacity because it is not look those over rated 30000mAh, where actual capacity is far less than half of it.
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ok, thanks for the info.
just to confirm cos all picture in ur thread show the pineng 18650 cell still wrapped in heat sink and cant see the numbers.
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post Jul 26 2013, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Jul 25 2013, 06:07 PM)
i thought it is the one as shown in the link
user posted image

those type 10k, 20k or 30k there are different quality too.
i found the realplay 30k has capacity greater than pn910
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here's another battery box. comes with 6 x 18650 @3400 mah each.
able to output at 3.7v, 5v, 9v ,12v

http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/1000446...l-usb-output-mo

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post Jul 27 2013, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(kuai_chai @ Jul 26 2013, 06:51 PM)
just for some info, is there any powerbank that inputs mini usb ports rather than micro usb ports?
i've ordered a powerbank but i'm not sure it's mini usb or micro usb.
i want to buy a spare cable for it as my previous cables already spoilt.
now i'm thinking to buy a mini usb or micro usb cable..
any idea?

this is the 1 i bought: http://www.milkadeal.com/deals/blossomswan...hlightpowerbank
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ur power bank is fake clone of this one
http://pineng.com.my/PN-913/PINENG-PN-913-...ower-Bank-Black

the input is micro usb, capacity around 10000mah.
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post Aug 5 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(chrisqck @ Aug 4 2013, 08:39 PM)
Thanks for the reply.

Assuming that the powerbank is made of multiple cylindrical batteries output at 3.7V, the powerbank consolidates the output of each battery into one main output, the USB interface, which discharge at 5V. Hence the formula used above, correct ?

I have a YooBao YB-645 which claims to have the capacity of 8800mAh. The Input was stated as 5V/1500mA and the output was stated as 5V/1000mA.

So based on what I understand so far,

a) 8800mAh * 3.7V = 32,560 then 32,560 / 5V = 6,512 mAh is the ACTUAL capacity (assuming 100%).
Further Questions :

1) Is 100% output capacity a reasonable expectation for NEW powerbanks or is it by nature not possible ?  (Kinda like buying a 1TB HDD is not possible to get *exactly* 1TB space inside)

2) Input basically just tells you at what rate it is charging the power bank, rite? It doesn't in any way change the total capacity of the powerbank since the capacity is already fixed, right ?
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you can refer to first page for some sample calculations.
you wont get 100% output, there will be some loss in the circuit (as seen in power bank gets hot), so you can expect around 90% efficiency or so.
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post Sep 27 2013, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(joytest @ Sep 26 2013, 11:49 PM)
All, I have a question.

Anyone tried this:

1. Charging the powerbank via A/C
2. Connecting the STILL CHARGING powerbank to CHARGE your phone.

I have found that none of my Yoobaos can do this. It's either charge the powerbank or charge the phone.

Appreciate feedback on brand and model.
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my pineng pn912 comes with 5v 2a ac charger, i use that.
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post Oct 8 2013, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(joytest @ Sep 27 2013, 06:08 PM)
Thanks for answering correctly tongue.gif

Ok so I must look for something that does both...thinking of making a solar charging setup.
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/625327...smartphones-and

this one has something called 'charge through technology'.

 

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