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post Oct 3 2013, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Sep 7 2013, 10:02 AM)
first is the led indicator. there are only 3 leds. when charging phone, it will blinking from one to another, like flowing. but we don't know how much charge inside this powerbank. it doesn't show the level of the remaining capacity except u disconnect it from charging your phone. 3 leds doesn't enough to accurately show the capacity.

second is the charging voltage. inside there are regulator and ICs to control the charging limit. but it is fixed to 4.2V only. that means some other battery such as 3400mAh can't charge fully, which required 4.35V to charge fully.

and i think the efficiency is not good also. my 2800mAh battery perform less than expected. 18650s can get from taobao. some battery charging voltage limit are 4.2V and some are 4.35V.
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Panasonic cells runs at max voltage of 4.2V only.
Unless the chemistry composition is different, all the cells voltage would be the same
the 4.35V is a pure BS

check the manufacturing dates of the cells also. some dunno keep for 2 years before selling to end users, so the capacity dropped d

http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/...reen)%20UK.html

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post Oct 27 2013, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(mikko2 @ Oct 27 2013, 05:42 PM)
i bought http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/190927360800?ss...984.m1439.l2649  and http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/380727828090?ss...984.m1439.l2649  . Is this combination (RM7 + RM33 ) stated above  is better than those bulky powerbanks 20000 mah RM 60 . LOL just to save some $$ and less weight powerbank.
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bro, those ultrafire cells capacity is fake capacity.

highest capacity is by Panasonic, 3400mAh.
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post Nov 4 2013, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(toranino @ Nov 3 2013, 08:52 PM)
I have a 30,000 MaH that isn't in use and would like to know it's true capacity. Was wondering if you could do a test for me?
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fake capacity.

check out my link here : see how real testing is done.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2974502&hl=
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post Nov 4 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Nov 4 2013, 11:01 AM)
sure ?
Because the seller told me 2800mAh and 3400mAh required 4.35V to fully charge it.
They have custom made charge to charge the battery until 4.35V.
They had tested and sold to customers.
I will personally test it if i have the chance to grab a 4.35V charger.
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yes, u can check out the datasheet from manufacturer.


sometimes they charge the voltage higher to make more capacity.
lets say u charge at 4.2V will get 2600mAh
charge at 4.3V will get 2700mAh.
sometimes the battery might be out of specs or does not comply fully to manufacturer specs.

the voltage depends on the chemical composition, if the chemical composition are the same, thus voltage will be the same.
all lithium ion and lithium polymer voltages are the same at 4.2V

dunt know who's the idiot which started the 4.35V thing and everyone started to use at that voltage, charging at 4.3V will cause the battery to die prematurely only. wont have fire or burning hazard

if you charge at higher voltage, the battery will die faster, that all

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post Nov 6 2013, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(x-treme @ Nov 6 2013, 05:35 PM)
I think what you want to show is this right?
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ya better life cycle
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QUOTE(azrash @ Dec 11 2013, 08:25 PM)
found an interesting listing in Lelong

http://www.lelong.com.my/hot-selling-muoge...7-01-Sale-I.htm

the cover and outside case looks exactly like Pineng's but they are not using 18650 batteries.

they allegedly use superior Korean li-po cells.

brand is MUOGE, but I can't find any legit links to this brand in google search.

hmm  hmm.gif
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it's not only lithium cell or polymer cells

flat lithium polymer generally swollen and degrade faster than 18650 cells.
in terms of applications, 18650 cells have pressure release holes to ensure the cell doesnt get swollen.

if you dont believe me, click on the links below

https://www.google.com/search?q=lithium+pol...attery&tbm=isch

anyway, the 30k is overrated.

all lithium 18650 cells generally have lifespan of 500 cycles. which includes charging and discharging as 1 cycle.

if your are using a full pack of powerbank. 1 cycle per day, you are still being able to use 1.5years.
the batteries failed within 3months because they were recycled batteries, not new ones.
not because they are 18650 cells.

what this user is saying is pure crap. rolleyes.gif


see how i test batteries here
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=2974514

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post Dec 12 2013, 06:35 AM

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QUOTE(azrash @ Dec 11 2013, 09:04 PM)
yeap, it impossible. just sharing to warn people.

30k/2.6k is 11.++. the enclosure would need to be twice as long or thicker to accomodate those cells.

i bought a PN910 from a friend who went to china for a short trip. ordered straight from their website, and s/n checked alright. but haven't collected the powerbank from him.

interesting info in your thread. esp with regards to the grade of cells used in Pineng's powerbank.

are you using the exact enclosure and circuit boards with only the battery cells changed?

in pineng website, they say that the in input is 5v/2a, but yours is 1a max. so actually, even the Pineng units accept 1A max only?

but then again, higher A may lead to faster deterioration of the cells.

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also, i found an interesting link of testing done on different brands of 18650 cells

http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/...mmary%20UK.html
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2A input for their board ??
not sure though. in order for 2A charging, the whole system is completely different
1. board must support 2A
2. charger must be 2A
3. cables must support 2A (normal microUSB can handle 1A max) only

i doubt it's truely 2A for that price because it's impossible to built if it's the same price rolleyes.gif

even if the board is rated at 2A, charger not 2A or cable cant support up to 2A it's still not charging at that.
again just another marketing gimmick.

recently i built a 2A charging unit with 6 panasonic 3400mAh = 20,000mAh for a customer (sarawakian)
so far so good.....it's a totally different system altogether.

had to give him a true power 5V 2A Delta brand charger too. of course the costing would be so much higher.
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post Feb 1 2014, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(shea2812 @ Jan 28 2014, 10:40 AM)
My Experience
After much looking around and consideration I acquired a Probox 5200 mAh.  It runs fine. They claim to use Sanyo cells which has a reputation. After being in use for a few months I think that they are good. Prices are relatively higher but sadly they are not being restock.
Just bought another, the bigger 7800mAh. Hope it is as good as the first. Been on shop shelves a while and unlike Romoss they dont come pre-charged so have to do full charge of 8 hours.  Keeping fingers crossed but from my experience of my first purchase I think it will proved to be OK.
I do notice there is another brand that also quite good.  Enerpad.

Them more decent brands that I am aware of:-
1.  Probox - use Sanyo cells, premium look, so so build
2.  Eneloop - Own Sanyo branded powerbank, supplied with charger
3.  Enerpad
4.  Romoss  - Utilise Samsung, SDI for the premium model, great build
5.  Gigabyte also uses Japan cells, not sure what brand tho
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those that uses good cells wont be cheap definitely.


QUOTE(Materazzi @ Jan 30 2014, 03:25 AM)
yes the cheapest is Enerpad. They say Enerpad is the best for value for money.
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QUOTE(shea2812 @ Jan 31 2014, 09:18 AM)
I do hope some of forummers can post long term reviews of various models of powerbanks that we see many people use to give us a rough guide as to which are good buy and which are trash....
A decent powerbank can extend some of our mobile devices so that they can yields more months of services and delays purchase for upgrades while waiting for the right stuff to be released.
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it is not about the product itself, one must factor in warranty as well..
good cells can lasts you much like laptop battery duration, which is about 1.5 minimum to 2.5years.

QUOTE(w00t @ Jan 31 2014, 06:30 PM)
Why not go DIY? From all of the decent brands mentioned above does come with quite premium priced no? Say find some decent powerbank case online and coupled it with a protected type of 18650 battery e.g: Keeppower, Panasonic or Samsung SDI or Sanyo,  there ya go... But of course price might be slightly cheaper or higher depends on selections, requirements (mAH ratings for battery, protected or non-protected type, brands etc..). Also if you are not those type who are adventurous into D.I.Y, might just go ahead for available brands in the market. Just an opinion...
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the circuitry already comes with protection board.
no need double protection as it will lose more energy to the built up resistance.
IMHO dunt have to use until Japanese cells unless you want a small unit with higher capacity.

QUOTE(azrash @ Jan 31 2014, 10:25 PM)
IINM, battery cells degrade even when you don't use it. So might want to avoid older brands or models. as far as i know, Sanyo has been bought over by Panasonic. and the famous 5200 mAh booster that Sanyo used to sell is being rebranded as Panasonic's, with wireless charging too. so try to get the newer batches from Panasonic instead of getting the old Sanyo mobile booster. I still see the AA and AAA eneloop NiMh being sold, i am not sure whether panasonic is killing off that brand or maintain the brand as it is already quite famous.
True. and to be honest, the prices of these powerbanks that are mostly made in china is very cheap there. Problem is, even the fake ones looks exactly the same if you were to put it next to the original ones. it is much safer if you were to order from their official online store. normally listed in their official website. eg are Pineng etc. and these are normally quite recent batches, since they are straight from manufacturer, unless you choose the older models.

of course these china brands, the quality won't be A grade like Samsung Panasonic etc. but they should be adequate for average use for 2 years etc.

like w00t said, DIY is a good route too, since you can roughly test the age of the cells. but if that is too cumbersome, there are traders like AllnGap that sells his DIY powerbanks that use A grade cells by Samsung. and the price is fair in my opinion. reputable china brands powerbank are sold at similar price in malaysia.

personally, i am using Pineng's one, bought by a friend from China, straight from their official online store. it has been a few months and it still hold good capacity.
and of course, general rule is the true capacity is roughly 0.7 of the rated capacity. which for my 11200 mAh Pineng is 0.7*11200=7840. and this is true, as it can charge my N4(2100 mAh) roughly almost four times of full charge.
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actually my unit is not DIY. It's commercial product, just that i dunt put my own brand.

anyway i only use samsung cells less than half year from production date.
so i dunt keep a lot of stocks to maintain the quality.

well now i'm giving all my users Delta 5V 2A charger which is a good one.
maybe should come out with 2A charging powerbank version eh ??
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QUOTE(highcarl @ Mar 6 2014, 11:34 AM)
Bought at PC shop at Batu Pahat. RM188 for 12000mAh. Here some picture

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did it state how many cells are there ??

there are 3100mAh and 3400mAh for panasonic cells
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QUOTE(highcarl @ Mar 6 2014, 03:46 PM)
No. it not state how many cells inside. Just do some survey for yoobao transformer powerbank. The price slightly less compared to mine. This product can be trust or not?
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no idea, besides the cells, the seller warranty is also another factor.
if RMA takes 2months then good luck laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lemon5969 @ Mar 27 2014, 05:07 PM)
inside is lipolymer cell .. its said from korea genuine..
but i dunno the quality sad.gif now is dilemma, want to buy or not.. hmm.gif
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all made in china, and LiPo battery low quality one will get swollen very fast.

good quality LiPo is what u use inside your phones, tablets, cheap LiPo is like those explosive battery type, no proper QC one. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(aminjohar.com @ Apr 6 2014, 01:34 PM)
I just bought it less a week ago.
Very dissapointed.. Can only charge less 3/4 for Galaxy Tab 8.0.. T_T T_T
Note:
Galaxy tab battery 4,600mAh..
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some rough calculation

3/4 of 4600mAh battery size = 3450mAh

powerbank actual capacity = 3450 * 1.5 times
= 5175mAh

so the actual powerbank battery size is only 5175mAh, as claimed to be 30,000mAh

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QUOTE(lemon5969 @ Apr 6 2014, 10:01 PM)
yup i also just buy it. very suck money haiz
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Customer spoilt powerbank.
open up dunno what cells inside......buy cheap but ended up spending more.

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QUOTE(coolstore @ Apr 13 2014, 02:28 PM)
this 'pisen' is same with 'piseng' ?
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no idea about the 'piseng' lo
cells inside dunno what capacity also laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ravi6662 @ Apr 13 2014, 08:36 PM)
if 1A = 1000mA ..

why is power bank rated in mA. ???

why 2200mA .? is it not same as 2.2A. ??

we dont say 1200meters.. .  = 1.2km...
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big numbers make it look like more power la bro.
btw, some didnt mention new cells or recycled cells they use inside also....
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 14 2014, 08:58 AM)
mine is 30000mAh, and it says 500cycles only. WHich I think it is very less..
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18650 cells ranges from 1600mah to 3400mah (panasonic 3400mAh, made in japan)

so lets say your powerbank is 6 cells, max is only 20,400mAh, these cells are sold for about RM 45 per cell, so the cells alone for 6biji is already RM 270.

so how could your unit be 30,000mAh ?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 14 2014, 10:06 AM)
I dont know bro.. this was a gift to me by my sister. I just mentioned what it is written on the label.. tongue.gif[attachmentid=3929617]
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thin type like handphone thickness right ?
should be about 4000 to 5000mAh max ler.

the battery capacity is max like that only
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 14 2014, 10:33 AM)
No bro.. it is damn thick, too big and heavy till my sister doesn't want it and give it to me. I it like 2.5 - 3x S4 phone thick.. [attachmentid=3929637]
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not sure d....might be 18650 x 6 pieces.
can charge your phone how many times ?
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QUOTE(Abdul1990 @ May 5 2014, 02:21 PM)
Hi I have bought a power pack and battery separate the battery says it's a ultra fire 6000mah 3.7v  there are also a lot of people selling the exact same brand. Do u think I have been conned
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highest capacity is by Panasonic, 3400mAh. selling about RM 45 per cell.

china made cells are within 2600mAh range only, the rest is all BS.

ultrafire or what, it's just a 3rd party OEM battery wrapped in ultrafire cover.
the capacity is not so much

 

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