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silwen
post May 9 2013, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(aIn_fArAh @ May 8 2013, 04:37 AM)
May i know is A-Level hard? Because i would like to take it and it seem like my final choice..  cry.gif any tips that you can suggest to me?  icon_question.gif i would like to take a-level for law
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A levels was a walk in the park in my experience. Just study hard and consistently. If people work from 9-5pm, you study from 9-5 pm, and maybe at night too.

The trick to A levels, is not through rote memory work, but in using your head to tackle the problems.

Compared to what Law school and now, the BPTC is throwing at me, I think the amount of work I put into A level exams in a month is what I do in a week. Hopefully this strained comparison would give you an idea as to what it's like.

My advice though, do not ever shun hard work and challenges.
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post May 9 2013, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(rexus @ May 8 2013, 08:18 PM)
Couldn't decide between Cardiff and Sheffield. sad.gif
Any suggestions?
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Cardiff. Unless you like the outdoors. Sheffield is in the middle of Peak District, fantastic hiking, cycling and climbing district imho.

Academically I can't help you.
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post May 11 2013, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ May 9 2013, 09:00 AM)
silwen,
Can you share your route in L.LB leading to BPTC ? Thanks.
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A levels- 3 sciences and math
LLB- just trolled around and didn't study much. I went cycling, climbing and running. Saw the sights and read some non-law related matters throughout the year.
Got into the BPTC- now it's tough stuff. Hope to pass it.

I note that I was relaxed and active through A levels, being social and active.
Uni was a little harder; reading was wide and deep, never had time to finish everything so I had to pick and choose my focuses in studying. I behaved more reclusively. I do recall regularly running about 40km a week though, so that consumed quite a lot of time and energy. Had an injury, gave up running and took up cycling and did about 100+km a week of it. You can imagine I am not the most focused of students.

As for the BPTC, intellectually it's not massively challenging but the work is voluminous. It's a very hands on course and I am enjoying it thoroughly.

In terms of hours of work per week, A levels 30-40 hours.
Uni- up to about 50 or so hours, got away with 35-40 most weeks and about 60 during exam periods.
BPTC- 60 hours a week consistently; no holidays. Hardest thing I have done to date.

If work for the next 40 years is like the BPTC is in terms of having to daily absorb new material and law, I'll could foresee burn out. Even my tutors who are part time judges find the course fairly demanding.

Hope this gives you some sort of gauge.
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post May 11 2013, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(wong6516 @ May 11 2013, 12:37 AM)
yup,paralegal..pay i would quote chiahua reply,depends on how thick your cables are....if you could serve like karpal singh,probably you prospect is better than an ordinary lawyer.. rclxms.gif

for paralegal i think so,but not for lawyers..in my opinion,the strength of overseas law graduates is language,english especially and also quality or performance or way of analysis...the weakness will be sucks in BM and lack of knowledge in malaysia law procedure or vise versa if public graduates.Again this rather subjective,a person could possibly master both languages,and have wide ranges of legal knowledge...

Be in mind that,in malaysia lower court probably use malay as the main official language,so you could see a lot of chambee actually work as a translator in law firms when chambering..
no other options other than sponsors?....it is kinda hard thou,there are lots of graduate every year..working in HSBC for banking? are ur friend having other qualification rather than only LLB?
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I would concur with you on the matter of having to use Malay as a medium. Frankly, it's something many struggle with in transition. The lack of knowledge is easily remedied. Analytical ability however, is more of a gift, shall we say, less nurture and more nature in that.

Having to refamiliarise with myself with malay however, is a challenge one has to accept and in all hope, master; frankly though, language is not my forte.
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post May 11 2013, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ May 11 2013, 07:44 AM)
Does the wages from your part time work enough to cover your stay and studies over there ? Thanks.
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Pardon, I don't mean work, I meant studies = work. If you have time to work proper, you're looking at some really tough time. However, I do know people who work and they did ok, no time for hobbies though.

I decided to do my A levels in KL and went on to do my undergraduate degree in the UK.

As for the BPTC, I had 3 offers from the three schools I applied to, 2 of them were in London and one regional. Based on hearsay, this is relatively uncommon; most only get 1 offer. I did my applications in 2 very stressful days (don't leave it to the last minute).

Also, nobody recommends, and it is often discouraged actually, that one do A level Law. Frankly though, I would just go for what I feel most comfortable with in A levels (I did 3 sciences because I knew I was good at that).
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post May 12 2013, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ May 11 2013, 04:20 PM)
Suffice to say that it is not difficult to get a place into BPTC in the UK so long as you meet the requirement ? Thanks.
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That is probably more untrue than it is true. I do know of people who, despite getting the required results, didn't get a place, equally vice versa.

Also, do not be fooled into thinking that a 2:2 will suffice. If your predicted results are below 2:1, you're just not getting in. You could get unlucky in the exams and get a 2:2 but if you already have an offer, you're fine.

I was told by one of the providers that if they thought the student will only get a 2:2, they won't make an offer.

Also, I suspect and do believe that a significant chance depends on your referees and your admissions essays. Believe me, they read your application.

Nevertheless, given that most applicants have a place, I should think it's not difficult.


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post May 12 2013, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(wong6516 @ May 11 2013, 11:30 AM)
soft in the sense of less burdensome and relatively easier subject? dont think so,coz the pass rate is like 60-65 percents only..indeed,if you compare to LLB,there is for sure a huge gap of difference in the depth and wide of the syllabus..but certain topics in alvl actually covered up more than LLB,examples,like civil justice sytem of common law in LLB only cover small part of ADR,but in alvl there is a standalone chapter of it..

so i would say,alvl LAW could gave you a broad concept of what will be facing in LLB,its syllabus covered basic tort,contract,public and common...the only disadvantage is there will be a little bit boring when starting first year,coz everything is like dejavu,keep repeating...

however,for me it is more of a bane than a boon..
discouraged? why said so?
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Relating to the post on why it's discouraged- I recall a lecturer saying about half a decade ago that it's because A level law tends to distort the idea of what the LLB offers. It's more academic, and there are more discussions on the matter of the law and the philosophy behind it; the lecturer thought that the A level law was all about rote memory work. Their words, not mine. I merely parrot what I have heard.

It's considered a soft subject, I believe, because ti does not require the same amount academic and intellectual ability to do well in, otherwise stated, not as challenging as the traditional subjects.
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post Jul 22 2017, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(llbhons1 @ Jul 6 2017, 10:34 PM)
I am a Western Australian lawyer.  Honestly, if you are trying to work as a lawyer in Australia, you should get a law degree from one of the Group of 8 ... and if I'm being brutal, just one from the top 4 law schools (ANU, Melbourne, USyd and UNSW).  It is very hard to work in Australia as a lawyer with a degree earned locally.

Universiti Malaya is not globally recognised.  The UoL program is supposedly recognised worldwide but is too common and is not prestigious because the entry requirements are so low.  If you want to work abroad, please consider these options:

Australia
ANU
Melbourne
USyd
UNSW

UK
Oxford
Cambridge
LSE
UCL
KCL

These are the best law school options for a good career as a barrister and/or solicitor.  All the best!
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This position is largely correct. Given the premises, if you are deciding between UoL and UM then UM will probably be a fine university to go to. Local Malaysian firms think well of it and the general quality (as a practising lawyer) is more consistent (and a bit better) than the UoL graduates who exist across the spectrum.

As for the above quoted universities, if you do not have the current opportunity, you may consider these in studying a masters. I've known several lawyers who have gone to UM/UoL and then on to OxBridge and the Trinity.

 

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