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Prospective Law Students Gateway V2, A basic guide to become a lawyer
Prospective Law Students Gateway V2, A basic guide to become a lawyer
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Jul 3 2013, 11:41 PM
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Hi guys, I have question. Can I continue in Law Degree after finish with Foundation in Law? My friend doing her degree in Australia now and she said if I want to do a Law Degree, I need to sit for either STPM or A-level and Foundation is not the right path. So, is it true? I would like to know too, if I take Law as my major and in future I'll be working as a Lawyer, do I hardly have any free time for myself as Law require a lot of reading?
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Jul 8 2013, 05:16 AM
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QUOTE(YjLow91 @ Jul 7 2013, 05:04 AM) Hi Keimieko, Hi, since going to overseas is expensive, I'm opting for degree in Malaysia. Are you opting for a UK Law Degree or otherwise and upon completion of a Law Degree, will you be pursuing CLP or BPTC? I've only heard of CLP before and never heard of BPTC. I'm SPM leaver so I don't know much about Law yet. Lawyer and Public Defender is not the same thing right? If I want to be a Public Defender, is it the same route to be a Lawyer? Is there any Public Defender in Malaysia or there's none? I tried to look over Google but still my level of understanding not that good so yeah Thank you for your reply! really appreciate it |
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Jul 10 2013, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE(YjLow91 @ Jul 8 2013, 08:00 AM) BPTC stands for Bar Professional Training Course which is UK's version of CLP. However, it is completely different from CLP. CLP is 100% theory exam based whereas BPTC is both theory and practical based. BPTC is a training programme to ensure that Bar students acquired the skills of a Barrister. Omg, thank you, really thank you for your reply. That's such a detailed information & a big help! Correct me if I am wrong; You wanted to finish your Law degree in Malaysia. These are the few possibilities that I could think of; a. You will be studying in a public university for a law degree (Malaysian Law) b. You will be taking CLP exempting course in MMU (Malaysian Law) c. You will be taking External UOL (UK Law, but you can complete it Full Time in Malaysia) For the first two, CLP is incorporated into the Law Degree. Hence, you will not need to apply for CLP externally. As for c. , you will need to make sure that you are qualified as a candidate for the CLP examination before applying to sit for the exam. This is as follows; FOR U.K. LAW DEGREE HOLDERS: A. A minimum of 3 credits at SPM level or its equivalent obtained in one and the same examination . The qualifications which are accepted as equivalent to SPM are as follows: 1. GCE ‘O' level examinations by the U.K. Boards; 2. the Singapore Cambridge GCE ‘O' level; OR 3. the Unified Examination Certificate (‘UEC')*. AND B. A minimum of 2 principal passes at STPM level or its equivalent obtained in one and the same examination . The duration of the STPM course or its equivalent shall be a minimum of 1 academic year . The qualifications which are accepted as equivalent to STPM are as follows; 1. ‘A' level (passes at Advanced Level) by the U.K. Boards; 2. the Singapore Cambridge GCE ‘A' level; OR 3. the UEC*. AND C. A recognised law degree (see "WHO HAS TO SIT FOR, & PASS, THE CLP EXAMINATION?") which was studied for a minimum of 3 academic years and contain a minimum of 12 law subjects out of which you must have passed 6 core subjects (i.e. Law of Contract; Law of Torts; Constitutional Law; Criminal Law; Land Law; and Equity & Trusts which each was studied for the duration of 1 academic year). The law degree must have been obtained within 6 years of initial registration with the university (EXCEPT for the LL.B from the University of London (External) which must be completed within 7 years upon successful completion of the Intermediate Examination or a referral thereof AND you must have obtained at least a Second Class Lower law degree). That is for CLP. Hence, to be on the safe side, it's better if you go for STPM or A-level. You would not want to waste your time studying something which is not recognised by the Malaysian bar later on. I just recently completed and graduated from BPTC few days ago. This is my route so far. I started off in Foundation in Arts in HELP University College and later on enrolled into UK Degree Transfer Programme in HELP as well. Then, I transferred to the UK, graduated and applied into BPTC. Unlike CLP, BPTC only look at my Degree’s results and my English proficiency. There is no other ‘past education’ restrictions imposed when they considered my application. Hence, I took Foundation instead to save time. I only spent a total of 4 ½ year to graduate as a Barrister. This is inclusive of my Pre-university. In regards to Public Defender, we do have it in Malaysia. It’s not called public defender; it’s called Legal Aid in Malaysia. In order to qualify as one, you will still need to graduate from a Law degree, completed a practicing certificate and called to the Malaysian Bar (every lawyer's route) . Everything above is purely based on my assumptions. Feel free to give me more information so that I could access your situation easier. If there's any doubts, just ask away. Regards Can I know, how much did you spent for your UK Degree Transfer Programme? Is it true that going overseas would be a much easier route rather than studying in Malaysia? Since you said you started off in Foundation in Arts, then nothing wrong starting with Foundation to be a Lawyer in future right or is it just if I take BPTC? Because one of my friend is in Australia doing her Law Degree too and she is unsure I can be a Lawyer or not if I started off with Foundation. I thought I can't started my route with Foundation, so I opted for A-level as I already missed to enter STPM. So if I can actually start with Foundation, why not Foundation as A-level is pretty much expensive right? I'm planning to take Foundation in Law and was planning to take it in BAC but now I can't find Foundation in Law anymore on their webpage and I don't know any other universities offering that course other than BAC and MMU. Do you have any recommendation? I would like to know how does studying law looks like? I checked some law books in bookstore and all I can see is the law name and descriptions. So do we have to memorize all the laws and have all the laws in our mind everytime or we can actually forget it for awhile and we have cases, we can check it back? Sorry, as I'm a girl who's not really a bookworm, I wonder If I'm studying law, will I be with books like around 24 hours? Do I hardly will have any time for myself? Is law as hard as what people say? There's one of my cousin who get straight As in her SPM and took law but then she decided to change her major as she said it's very hard but there's one of my friend get only 1A in her SPM but now she's doing well so I'm really afraid if I can't do it, I don't want to waste my parents' money just like that. Actually to be honest, I would love to continue overseas after finishing my Pre-university, if the estimated total fees are affordable, I will give it a go. If it's not affordable for me, is there any scholarship? Does HELP provide any scholarship and is it tough to get scholarship? Is it based fully on our result or there's interview too? In your opinion, which is better? Legal Aid or a normal lawyer? I know there are types of Lawyer out there right, for example Solicitor, Legal Aid, Prosecutor etc and are there any other that I don't know too? I'm sorry for many questions, I asked my friend about it too but I want to know more opinions about questions on my mind. Thank you so much, if in any way we might know each other better or something, I would love to repay your kindness. |
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Jul 10 2013, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(YjLow91 @ Jul 10 2013, 09:22 AM) BEWARE! My reply's gonna be super long. 1. How much did you spend for your UK Degree Transfer Programme? If memories served me right, my first year in UK Degree was RM20k, and the second year costs me RM 22k or so. For my third year, I think it cost me about RM 100k (inclusive of student accommodation and tuition fees) This is highly dependent on which part of the UK you’re heading to. London is definitely the most expensive place overall. You might want to check with the University’s adviser as the tuition fees might have gone up over the years. It might be personal, if so, no need to answer this. Can I know do you use your own money to support the fees or you took any loan or you get scholarship? Any part-time work to support the fees? For the accommodation, HELP provides it? If I want to bring my family to live with me in the house they're providing can? 3. Since you said you started off in Foundation in Arts, then nothing wrong starting with Foundation to be a Lawyer in future right or is it just if I take BPTC? It is ONLY for BPTC. Unlike CLP, BPTC do not trace all the way back to my previous education routes. As long as I’m called to the Bar in the UK, I’ll be recognised as a Barrister-at-Law- of England. NB: As to the academic requirements, this is satisfied if a candidate can show that he/she is a 'qualified person' within the meaning of section 3 of the Act. Under the Act, 'qualified person' means any person who: a. has passed the final examination leading to the degree of Bachelor of Laws of the University of Malaya, the University of Malaya in Singapore, the University of Singapore or the National University of Singapore; b. is a barrister-at-law of England; OR c. in possession of such other qualification as may by notification in the Gazette be declared by the Board to be sufficient to make a person a qualified person for the purposes of the Act. Since I fall within the (b) category, I can be called to the Bar in Malaysia after my pupillage. This is to be contrasted with CLP (as stated in my previous reply) To be honest, the route that I took is very risky. Unlike CLP (unlimited places as long as you qualified to be a CLP candidate), students will need to submit their application online to get into BPTC. Every BPTC Provider has a limited number of spaces. Northumbria University (my provider) has only about 100 places each year. If you’re lucky, your application will be accepted. If not, then you’ll have to either go for CLP or Masters or being idle for a year and try again. Currently, they’re making the BPTC entry requirement higher. Aptitute test is introduced as part of the entry requirement starting from 2013/14. The test is not cheap. The last time I heard was about £170 (RM 805) PER TIME. That’s the price you will need to pay over and over again until you passed the test. Therefore, I would strongly recommend you to take STPM or A-levels unless you wanted to take the risk just like I did. I'm sorry as my understanding level not that good and this might be a silly question, but if for example I passed my BPTC and do I have to work in UK or what? What's the differences of Bar in the UK and Barrister-at-Law of England? Bar and Barrister is not the same? If my application not accepted, can I try apply again to get into BPTC? can you probably tell how my route would be if I started off with A-levels? I'm planning to take 4 subjects ; Law, English and what other subjects you think I should take? Should I take something easy to pass? 7. Actually to be honest, I would love to continue overseas after finishing my Pre-university, if the estimated total fees are affordable, I will give it a go. If it's not affordable for me, is there any scholarship? Does HELP provide any scholarship and is it tough to get scholarship? Is it based fully on our result or there's interview too? I suggest you to look into this website for further information. This is the full list of types of scholarships provided by HELP University College. This is for the studies in Malaysia. http://www.help.edu.my/images/types_of_scholarships.pdf As for scholarship in the UK, you will need to find out from the University you intended to study in. HELP University has 9 partner Universities in UK. 1+2 Transfer Arrangement University of Manchester University of Sheffield 1+2/ 2+1 Transfer Arrangement University of Leeds Cardiff University University of Liverpool Aberystwyth University Northumbria University University of West of England, Bristol University of Hertfordshire I already checked the link you gave me however I'm sorry again I'm not 100% understand of it. lol If I take A-levels and I want to transfer to UK, which option you think is better? 1+2 or 2+1 ? and for example UK Degree Transfer Programme (Law) Year 1 Full Scholarship, requirement highest marks 5 As, which result for the requirement they're referring to? My A-levels result or my Law Degree result? After taking Degree, no need to do Bachelor or Master? can straight away graduated? At this moment, lastly, can you recommend after A-levels route for me? Seriously, thank you for the spoon feed. T__T I don't want you to really spoon feed as I feel guilty to do so but it's hard to find on the internet without asking as I don't really understand much even I read them.... Thank you so much D: really thank you. I wonder if in future I still can ask you questions? |
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Jul 12 2013, 03:07 PM
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Parent’s scholarship all the way! Haha!! You can try asking for PTPTN loan but since it’s a Transfer Programme, they might not allow. None of my friends from my batch were under PTPTN as far as I remembered. You can always take up part-time job outside the University (Malaysia) to support yourself provided it did not clash with your timetable. In the UK, the Visa clearly stated that you can only work 20 hours a week at MAX. HELP Residence only provides you a small room with a bathroom and you’ll have to pay for it monthly. If your family wanted to stay with you, I suggest you to rent a house outside which is near the university for convenience purposes. [Bangsar area or Batai] Oh so can't take PTPTN for transfer programme? Can I know when you're in UK, you're renting house provided by HELP or you rent house by yourself? the house is small too? Again, thank you so much! Now I'm looking for university offer affordable price for A-level Thank you for your big help. |
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Jul 13 2013, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(YjLow91 @ Jul 12 2013, 09:10 PM) I don't think PTPTN covers overseas fees tho. You should find it out yourself. omg £118 PER WEEK. .. XDStudent accommodation in the UK is provided by the University in UK, not by HELP. For instance, Northumbria University's website for accommodation is this ; http://www.northumbria.ac.uk/brochure/faci.../?view=Standard . You'll need to apply through the university. I'm staying in student Accommodation which cost about £118 per week (en suite room with own bathroom, but with shared kitchen) I think student accommodation is more convenient because most of it is really near to the university and the price includes bills, internet and council tax. You'll just need to move in, that's it. If anything's broken, the management team will repair it for free, unless it's your own fault. The single en suite rooms are not that small. You have your own space, a queen size bed and your very own toilet. Speaking about blissfulness Have a look at this. It's soooo catchy hahahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mTbofSUBso And that song, lol omg. haha at 0:44 do you guys really read that amount of books? everyday? need memorize everything? QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 12 2013, 10:13 PM) PTPTN does not cover oversea courses, yea. Thanks for your help You can get loan during the duration you are in Malaysia, but nothing more. And if you are serious to be a lawyer, consider UOL external paper before thinking to go for twinning in the UK. It's cheaper and you don't really have to cough up a lot to study for a law degree. And if you are few of the top student in the program, they might even ship you to King's College and let you rot there till you complete LLB So UOL external not too bad either? lol why "rot" ? XD |
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Jul 13 2013, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 13 2013, 01:00 AM) UOL external would be as good as twinning or UKT ( UK Transfer Programs ) if you are short on cash. 118 pounds per week sounds like a luxury, when all you want to do is just to get a degree. Then, I guess I'll be taking UOL then It't all depending on you whether you are good or not. I use the word "Rot" sarcastically, as some people may not be able to adapt themselves to the life of a London-er. Thanks for the clarification. I see, thanks again |
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