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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V130, Bull rally after GE

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SKY 1809
post May 9 2013, 10:00 AM

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MYEG is strong
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post May 9 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 9 2013, 10:10 AM)
Yes it's not bad but people are opposing it because of GST rate. It's been proven through several countries, that GST rate proposed at the initial stage is just a sweetener. 4% is not a lot, but what if it goes up to 7% in the next three years and later 10-15% in 10 years?
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Buy I wonder GST is good for Malaysia.

Though oil and commodity prices are falling, prices of consumer items are in fact going up and up.

Cost of living is only one way traffic, upwards.

Toll is getting very expensive also. hmm.gif


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post May 9 2013, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 9 2013, 10:21 AM)
True, inflation is a one way ticket.
Many are robbing the future to pay for the past.  doh.gif
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Soon. the Bangla are getting minimum wages too. yawn.gif
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post May 9 2013, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ May 9 2013, 10:30 AM)
before GE already discus not implement - on hold by gov.

After BN win they implement now. Reason simple calculate the risk more Damage if implement near GE.

Same like 2008, oil price and sugar increase. As usual after GE, BN = Barang Naik.
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Even sugar price is falling quite a lot worldwide, our Govt still signs contracts to buy sugar from TWS at much higher prices.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ May 9 2013, 10:41 AM)
I agreed this..................

my view, increase the minimum wages for foreign workers, can indirectly increase malaysian (lower group) wages too
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Let say , u increase the maid pay to rm 2000 a month.

How much should be a starting pay for a fresh graduate.

Do u know the start pay for new fresh graduate was kinda rm 1500 a month , 20 years ago in Malaysia. laugh.gif

Could be lot more cheaper now if inflation is imputed. What about the inflation cost of education at 7% a year.

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post May 9 2013, 12:06 PM

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Where is Gark, retiring before GE ?
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post May 9 2013, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ May 9 2013, 12:08 PM)
escape to Indonesia Oil Palm estate  hmm.gif

Dont hv internet access & phone, next time must ask him leave his phone number for SMS.
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Life is hard without Internet these days.

Internet could be a tool to stress your money values too.

U learn many valuable and up to date things FOC yawn.gif
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post May 9 2013, 03:31 PM

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Good Suggestions :-


" To solve the financial problems faced by the middle class, MCCM also announced that it would build 100,000 low-cost houses which will be sold at cost price." thumbup.gif

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...-malay-chamber/

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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 9 2013, 03:37 PM)
Got 3 months warranty ma  laugh.gif
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But after 3 months. some agency linked people may do " some transfers" on behalf of the maids. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 9 2013, 03:52 PM)
When there is free food or free stuff, rich Malaysians also come to queue.
BR1M is intended for poors, but I see many aunties come with their E class, 5 series, Camry, Estima  laugh.gif
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7B could be used to build many low cost houses for the poor. hmm.gif

Again , many jobs could be created .....
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 9 2013, 04:20 PM)
Your MBL moved 10% already from the last price you introduce.  rclxms.gif
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MYEG is up 40% liao hmm.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 10 2013, 02:59 PM)
What took you so long.

Phew luckily not a long windy essay.

Back to your sentence,

Everyone has their own way of calculating the gain/loses. There is no right, there is no wrong.

Next, what?
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I kinda like your method to write off Dividends to costs. for simple reason that there is an inflation cost of around 7% a year to your cost of investments.

Actually U do not gain much if Dividend yields lower than Inflation rate, u just maintain your cost of investments at current purchasing power ( setting paper gain or loss aside )

Not a right way as to say , but I do support yr kinda accounting methods ( on personal basis ).

For those depending on yields only, and nothing on capital growths, then do take into account of inflation .

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ May 10 2013, 03:25 PM)
Actually writing off dividend as cost is an effective way to calculate the real profit from specific stock, unfortunately, I'm too lazy to do it. Without updating the dividend as cost, your cost will remain the same until you sell it, either at loss or gain, but it will never be the real net gain/loss.
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If investments are for future retirement for example , u need to build an amount for future expenses ( with inflation factor ).

Or else yr money kinda depreciates let say 7% a year.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 10 2013, 03:27 PM)
Take one example

Referring Insider Asia model portfolio #500 & #501

Counter : GENTING

The author received a 3.5 sens dividend, and it was adjusted into their costing, bringing down their costing from 9.43 to 9.395

So is he wrong?
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2simple reasons for that :-

1) market share price adjusted after ex dividends
2) Comparable with growth stocks ( showing paper gains )

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ May 10 2013, 03:34 PM)
If dividend, I just take the yield per annum. So assuming I want to have 60K per annum to retired, I would need at least 1M of investment capital in the dividend stocks that give me a net gain of 6% per year.
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Well, If yr retirement is 30 years down the road , yr present 60K expenses need to be inflation compounded at let say 5 to 10% ( % is let say only ) i.e your future estimated expenses .

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ May 10 2013, 03:44 PM)
I believe, barring any unforseen circumstances, my expenses will not be at 60K per annum as I would have already finish paying off my house and car loan. Not to mention, I still have EPF and maybe even rental income. So, the 5K per month usage is already include with the inflation.
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1) Car is one tricky future lumpy item, do not know how long it could last even if u do not intend to buy another car in the future
2) Health level drops, but health expenses may go up
3) children expenses
4) parent expenses
5) etc etc

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ May 10 2013, 03:55 PM)
1)Good maintenance will prolong the lifespan of the car lo.
2)That's why need insurance
3)That's why don't spoon feed them
4)If you are very old, I think parents also same.
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1) lifespan could be cut short by a Country Policy on car max age to be the road ( Japan is only 5 years )
2) if u do not feed them, then need a maid to feed them laugh.gif
3) Health insurance does not cover much on out of hospital expenses like health food
4) F expenses
5 ) rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(giftfre @ May 10 2013, 04:05 PM)
I agree with Boon3 method.
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Just like BN or Pakatan.

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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 10 2013, 04:26 PM)
Not yet, still holding a handful.
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QUOTE(Madbull @ May 10 2013, 04:44 PM)
Is like closing one eye to pick any stocks u wan and it will go up la..
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now trend is on off light method laugh.gif

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