Let's start with this thread
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=274906

I was urgently looking for US$100 (which is RM350) paypal fund.
I decided to buy from this new guy - Fellowes. We talked on MSN.
Since he's new, i dare not transfer all RM350 to him at one time.
So i told him to make it 3 times, $30 $30 and $40.

Then i paid RM105 (for the first $30) to his maybank:
111177084801 (LYNX TIONG XUNJIA)

And he went offline immediately after i told him i've made the payment. I got ashocked and smell sth fishy. I told a few friends abt it, asking them to PM this Fellowes saying tat they want to buy paypal fund, so that i can get more of his details. (But i didnt expect that Fellowes will reply them, thking tat my money will be gone.)

Then, i found this thread opened right after tat:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=277921

I was suspecting that they're same person (Fellowes and raist86), so i told that few friends again, asking them to act as buyers, so that i can see whether they're the same person. My friends talked to raist86 and managed to get his details which are these:

Mobile: <Hidden for now, will disclose if needed>
I/C: <Hidden for now, will disclose if needed>
Name: Aaron Lee Wen Cheen
Maybank Account: 104085221778
Paypal email: aaron_gryp@yahoo.com

Unfortunately, the name and maybank accounts were different. So i was kinda disappointed, and thking to give up and learnt from this lesson. Now, out of my expectation, Fellowes replied one of my friends, and he also came online to MSN again.

Things are getting interesting now... (But pls forgive me, im not a good story teller)

He said "sorry", and "i'll do the transfer now". I checked my paypal, yes, somebody transferred $30 to me - from aaron_gryp@yahoo.com! (See http://demo.mogutou.com/aaron.jpg) BUT, the $30 came from his credit card, my personal account cannot accept credit card payment. (Before u submit a payment to someone, u can actually see that what kind of account he has, if its personal account, then u know he wont be able to accept ur credit card payment. And dont u find it weird? Will someone sell Paypal fund from credit card? Credit card's rate is around 3.8, and u sell the fund for 3.5?) So, i had to reject his payment and gave him another paypal account tat can accept credit card payment. And here goes the http://demo.mogutou.com/fff1.rtf conversation.

From the conversation, u can see that he said he will refund me by last nite. Few hours later, i met him online again at around 9pm plus, so i asked him what time he's going to transfer. He said before 12am. I even reminded him that online banking close at 12am, he said "i'll transfer before 12am, not at 12am". And as i expected, i did not receive the refund.

Today's afternoon, he came online again. And told me that he didnt receive the tac, so didnt refund. (Phew, i didnt understd why he couldnt refund me at 9pm when i saw him online - if he really want to refund). And here goes that http://demo.mogutou.com/fff2.rtf conversation. And he actually transferred the $30 from "his friend" leekhoeeric@yahoo.com paypal account. This time, i managed to get back the $30, yay. And here goes the http://demo.mogutou.com/fff3.rtf conversation.

That's the end of story. Even if he sends me the screenshot, i will not deal with him again. And, i have to say, i cannot confirm that Fellowes and raist86 are the same person (or they berpakat?). Maybe Fellowes try to buy paypal fund from others and send the fund to me, so that he can con more money, who knows?

However, if they got nothing to do with each other, can u believe that raist86 is actually selling paypal fund from his credit card? Myself cant believe it, i'm not sure about u. But pls be careful if u want to deal with these guys.

ps: While im typing this, he sent me a "screenshot" (see http://demo.mogutou.com/paypal.jpg and http://demo.mogutou.com/fff4.rtf). Paypal address fellowes0401@hotmail.com, which wasnt exist yesterday when i tried to check. And now exist as "Non-U.S. UNVERIFIED Personal Member (new)" (See http://demo.mogutou.com/fellowes.jpg) but already hv many transactions and received many payments. So now, i can confirm that Fellowes is a conman (but not sure abt raist86).


PLEASE BECAREFUL WHEN U WANT TO BUY PAYPAL FUND / EGOLD FUND / WHATEVER FROM NEWBIES. If u hv very little experience, pls get advice from some old birds b4 u pay. Dun be stupid like me =.="



To raist86: Sorry if u're really innocent. U're welcome to explain.

This post has been edited by shark: Apr 19 2006, 04:03 PM

so did i con you anyway?

I was laughing since yesterday when u replied my friend that "u dun hv access to the paypal account, so u cant take screenshot", remember him?

U should defend for urself if u're not a conman, not closing ur threads.

By the way, THANK YOU diozkenji & bassist for helping me! Hehe!

so did you get con? anyway, FOrummers pls dont be greedy with the cheap price everywhere! nobody to be blame if you kena con going for cheap things like pay pal at 3.5 and so on...
be carefUL

Buying paypal fund at the rate of 3.5 is not cheap. Its very common, as some ppl really need cash and want to get rid of so much paypal fund. But make sure u buy from the right person.

This conman is somehow not so clever as other conman + he is greedy, trying to con more. So i managed to get back my US$30. Lucky enough

shark, have you PMed raist86 to come forth and explain?

By the way to fellowes, can you please clarify all the questions with us here so that light can be shed to the dispute?

Thanks.

common? 3.5 i think it's a little to cheap! imagine 1usd at 3.5 only! there's a lot of scam going round the internet! not only in malaysia but round the WORLD

Okey dude.. you've made a mistake here.

first of all, i did say i wanted to sell credit from my paypal account. True i did not state where my credit is coming from. It's from my card. Reason for this is i needed cash in my maybank account as i have to pay for an item online which only accepts maybank2u transfer and not credit card. As i didn't have any cash on hand in maybank, i decided to sell credit at a loss as the payment is quite urgent.

Got a few PMs from people, but only one person replied me when i PMed back. That's Fellowes. He said he wanted to purchase USD$30 from me. I agreed to the transaction and he asked for my info which i gave. He transfered me RM 108 (USD 30 x 3.6). Transfer was comfirmed by Fellowes and me. I have my receipts as proof. Went off downstairs to get a drink and came back up. Saw this Fellowes fella messaging me on MSN again. He said he rejected the deal cos the money's from my credit card which he couldn't use. I checked my paypal and true enough, the money was rejected by him and has been bounced back to my credit card. He wanted me to transfer again to another account but i refused. Instead i told him i'd refund his RM108 and forget everything. He agreed. Money was transfered to 514440100744 of EK TRADING. Deal was concluded at 7.30pm.

Will post my receipt screenshots when i have it loaded on my image hoster.

I believe we have been had by this Fellowes guy. I have a feeling that he became the middle person for this deal. I believe he bought the credits from me to sell to you, but did not realise that i'm sending it from credit card.


UPDATED: Screenshots



Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions as this involves my integrity. And i personally want to ask those who have been messaging my friends, please send them an appology message if i turn out to be a victim here. Frankly, i wasn't even informed about this. You guys could've just sent me an email regarding this matter. This is also the reason why i ask my buyers to contact me personally on MSN.

PS: the email i was asked to transfer the funds to was josh3r@gmail.com. Is this your email?
PPS: Is the fellowes msn by any chance fellowes0401@hotmail.com?

This post has been edited by raist86: Apr 19 2006, 11:09 PM

Shark, if you don't mind, can add me on MSN : raistlin1986@hotmail.com so we can discuss about this ?

FYI, i had to cancel the item i ordered as i couldn't make the payment on time , which had caused me endless headache. I wish to settle this ASAP. Please leave my friends out of this until i'm proven to be guilty.

BTW, in case ya didn't know... the rate i have to pay is about 4.1 after adding commission and stuff. That shows you how desperate i am to pay for this item. It's a birthday gift for my gal.

PS. i'm seriously pretty pissed off at the moment. So far 4 of my friends had let me know they got the "message" from you shark. You better have a good explanation written down to post to all the people you've messaged or face defamation suit.

Edited: typo error

This post has been edited by raist86: Apr 21 2006, 09:24 AM

I'm sorry, I don't know anything about PayPal but I may I know more about what this EK TRADING is? Because I see that this fella is being complaint against in here.

so i beliff dis guy act like he wanted to buy paypal from you. ask sum1 else to pay you, then ask for refund due to sum reason, after dat ull help him pay EK
TRADING for his debts?

ek trading again ?

Fellowes = EK Trading ???

Okey, is there anything i need to know about EK TRADING? I admit i may be a noob seller here but i'm doing it out of desperation.

everybody free to read it here : http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=271518

This post has been edited by ninjamerah: Apr 20 2006, 10:09 AM

I'm quite noob. What on earth is Pay Pal I always hear people selling?

so ek trading is betting company... wa... Fellowes use people money to bet... wtff....

Mod, i call for this issue to be solved ASAP or have this thread closed and have shark send out apology message to all my friend whom she had messaged. So far 6 of them has approached me regarding this matter. It has tarnished my reputation as someone with integrity among my friends.

I see so many names popping up with EK Trading. This company must have a few person lurking around conning people.

raist86...please look at the black list. EK trading is listed there. You shouldn't have dealt with him in the first place. Anyway, your explaination does looks legit so good luck on your trading.

Update here. Another 2 friends came to me with the message from Shark. I'm serious here. If she doesn't come up to clarify this and resolve it soon, i'm gonna contact my family lawyer and ask for legal advice.

As for the blacklist on EK TRADING, i didn't refer to the blacklist as it was not in the main transaction plan. It was when i offered for a refund that this Fellowes guy gave me the EK TRADING account number. That's why i just transfered the money without looking into the blacklist.

There is no con involved but just some misunderstanding
The funds is transfered so anything or what just forget it

I might forget about it and not make a whole fuss out of this if shark had not spread out news about my "dishonesty" to my friends.

shark , case is close just close this thread

coold down dude... i think he/she is bz wit his stuff... mayb later he remove ur name from d topic and als oapologize... its jus misunderstood...

and followes, waa.. y u use other money for ur betting? mind to explain y????

i didnt use ppl money for betting its i only ask him to transfer into that account

PAYPAL funds are tranfered anyway and the other EK TRADING i have nothing to do wiath

errr, u ask him to transfer rm108 into EK TRADING? and not ur account? or ure da big boss of EK TRADING? haha

it would be better if u guys can come up wif msn chat history to prove tat u are innocent. Suddenly both of u keep requesting thread starter to lock this topic and threatening him/her wif legal lawsuits. I cant help but smell something fishy out there..... just my 2cent though no offence ya?

; i did not ask thread starter to lock down this thread. I'm just asking her to come forward and talk things out. I'm not threatening legal lawsuit, not yet anyway. Will be willing to clarify things up and clear my name. Do you know how embarassing it is when your friends show you message about you owe people money?

As for Fellowes, you deserve to be nailed to the wall for misleading the both of us in this deal. Why would you ask me transfer the money to EK TRADING if it has nothing to do with you? Proof of transfer is stated in the front.

sry dude, my bad.

But then how about the chat history between u n fellowes? Or by any chance u can ask every1 who had succesfully trade wif u to clarify ur reputation?

sigh.. sorry dude.. i don't save chat histories. Makes a clutter in my pc.

i don't do sales often here as i find it hard to trust people here. This is the only few times i did a sale due out of desperation and it seems i've made a mistake by trusting people.

Check my paypal status, it's a premier verified account. Why would i want to be cheating a measly 30 usd when it'll tarnish my repo?

UPDATE: another 3 friends approached me with the "message". Shark, you better have a good explaination to do when you get back.

This post has been edited by raist86: Apr 20 2006, 11:13 PM

It's something like "online money" where you can just "reload" your funds and buy things online using PayPal.

People, correct me if I'm wrong.

If you don't own or is part of EK TRADING then why you ask him to transfer to that account? That is a maybank account, not like it's paypal.

Look here :
http://photomalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10644


BTW, AFAIK you can't transfer money to trading account with Maybank2u. I tried that few months back and I got rejected. You need to go to the bank to bank in money or checque directly into trading accounts.


EDIT :
Found some information about this company including the address. The victims should team up and go hunt down these conmen.

I will only PM the info to one person whom I trust is the victim. If you want the info DON'T PM me. I repeat DO NOT pm me. I will won't reply you.

This post has been edited by abubin: Apr 21 2006, 11:50 AM

Something weird here....
How can his Maybank acc different name with IC name?
If different name u cant withdraw money..in fact u cant even open the account.

the account could be joint account

Come on guys. help me out here.. I'm tired of explaining to my friends about those messages. Can't believe that she'd do this without even first informing me about this case.

just close this thread cos case closed

Anything about EK Trading just open a new thread.

Fair enough...

but if you can afford to have a credit card & have hundreds of USD (i assume) in your PayPal, but you still can't afford to have RM100+ cash to bank in your Maybank account?

Rather than waste at 4.1 exchange rate, might as well you withdraw from the card...

I needed about RM 450 for the payment at that point of time. I don't have hundreds of USD in paypals, please get your facts right. I was planning to sell USD 80 to anyone who wants to buy it using my card and collect payments from maybank so that i can in turn send in the payments. Anyway, it didn't work well and i stopped selling after my first deal with Fellowes.

Looks like shark went offline since she created this thread.

this is not even settled between the two parties, why fellowes mati mati wanna close this thread ? Anything more than what it seems ? hhhmmm...

Intresting huh? Fellowes keep demanding to close this thread while raist86 keep defending himself. I guess we can see some picture in here.

This post has been edited by Mr Ez: Apr 22 2006, 02:04 AM

Look, i'm in pretty serious shit now. no offence to Shark but sending those messages to my friends is just plain stupid. I just want her to clear my name and resolve this issue.

I'm against Fellowes demand to close this thread until this issue has been solved.

PS: i've sent email, lowyat.net PM and friendster message to Shark aka Kwee Ling to come here and resolve this issue since it first surfaced.

This post has been edited by raist86: Apr 22 2006, 08:19 AM

hmm... it's been a few days since shark has gone missing..

Wheres shark? Hes being irresponsible for not solving an dispute hes started in the first place. Probly he should put in the M.O list instead for tarnishing raist86 name (if hes innocent). Just to be fair.

quote it first

Still no sign of shark. Someone help please??

We'll wait for shark until this weekend to log on. If he still doesn't log on,we'll look into it and decide from there

thanks so much for pointing this out, I really thank u~ I have been cheated b4 and is more careful these days, but then again, there is always a chance that someone is planning to cheat, so we have to get together as good traders and recognize those fishy ones~

Still missing.... man she's so free with her accusations but when time comes for clarification, she goes missing..

maybe shark is sick? or his modem got problem?
have you tried to contact his/her number?

no tel number available..

I am not trying to be rude but why are you assuming such a thing? You know him or something to know that he is sick or modem got problem? If you don't even know that person, why would you speculate such a thing? What is the basis of your comment?

If you know him well, maybe you would know that he like to fish. Then you can say he probably went fishing in Pulau Ketam then probably fell into the water and got eaten by crabs. Or else, don't try to be Mr/Ms nice guy by putting useless comments.

Damn, I sound rude. Just hope you guys get my point.

This post has been edited by abubin: May 3 2006, 11:26 AM

Topic temporarily closed to avoid further spamming.

To shark, when you're back or to raist86 (if you want to add something), drop me a PM and I'll reopen this thread.

Thanks

----
Thread reopened as request by shark.

This post has been edited by Geminist: May 3 2006, 11:15 PM

First of all, i want to say, fellowes is a conman. If he's not, he didnt need to modify his paypal screenshot to cheat me, so that i would buy more fund from him. But i dont undersd why he's still here saying this is just a misunderstd.

raist86, i dont know about this guy. I didnt understd why someone needs to sell paypal fund from credit card, so i found him suspicious and i thought i should tell other forumers to beware. I did not say he is a conman though.

And i'm sorry raist86 if i've caused some probs by msging ur fds. When i msg them, i did not think of u might be another "victim" or u're just a "middle man". During that time, i just wanted to get back my money, and so i did everything to try getting back the money. I'll explain to ur fds by showing them this thread if this will help, and if u still need cash, just give me a msg. I've added u on msn.

i'd be happy if you'd just send those whom you've messaged a note saying that it's just all a misunderstanding.. if you need their names, i can help you with that.. i've asked my friends to forward me the messages..

don't bother asking them to view this thread.. 90% of them won't be bothered to click the link.. just a simple appology letter would do..\

edit: perhaps you would also like to explain why did you left this thread hanging for so long...

This post has been edited by raist86: May 4 2006, 12:32 AM

I'll tell them that i've got back the money from this guy fellowes0401@hotmail.com, and there might be some misunderstding. And will ask them to read this thread if they wish to know more. (I wont say it's all misunderstding, coz i dont know if its really all misunderstding.) So... will this help?

Oh, i didnt login here and didnt online much last few days (or weeks.. i forgot), coz was having war with gf, not feeling well and went to join some tours, so.... Really sorry for dragging it, didnt mean to drag but really feeling upset tat time, so.... I will do what i should do to close this case now, ok?

DONE DEAL.

omg you starting a fire.....
haha some ppl

well i did know shark last time, nice guy but that was last time. Well i deal with him quite alot, so do I know the person?


well in this case i'm not in anyone side but can say that spreading bad things about a person is not good, but childish?

Sometimes we got no choice but hv to do some childish thgs to try get back the money. However, when we realised we might hv done sth wrong, we have to say sorry and try to do somethg back for that person. In this case, i'll msg raist86's fds one by one to explain again.

So yea... case closed... I'll contact raist86 via MSN

Update: fellowes added to blacklist