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post Apr 18 2013, 11:48 AM, updated 7y ago

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http://malaysiandigest.com/business/319431...60-billion.html

East Coast Rail Line May Cost RM60 Billion

Thursday, 18 April 2013 10:05

THE 620km East Coast Rail Route (ECRR) linking Greater Kuala Lumpur and three east coast states in Peninsular Malaysia is expected to cost around RM60 billion, sources say.

Most of the potential line’s required investment will be sourced from the private sector, they added.

The East Coast Economic Region Development Council (ECERDC) has proposed the ECRR to the federal government and its viability is being studied by the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD).

SPAD plays a central role in improving road and rail-based public and freight transport in the country.

Its chief development officer Azmi Abdul Aziz Gamusaid the ECRR aims to create rail connectivity to the east coast and provide economic spillover from Greater Kuala Lumpur.

“We are still studying the proposal (by ECERDC). We have not reached any conclusion.

“A new railway scheme will be formed as it will involve cutting across the Main Range (Banjaran Titiwangsa),” Azmi told Business Times on the sidelines of the Rail Solutions Asia conference here yesterday.

He added that the project, if viable, will be implemented in four phases. He, however, declined to reveal the cost.

“We have mapped out plans to develop railway infrastructure in Malaysia up to 2030. We are now working on plans beyond 2030.

This project (ECRR) may be implemented before or after 2030,” Azmi said.

According to sources, ECRR will take about 15 years to develop as it will involve a lot of underground work and building tunnels across Banjaran Titiwangsa.

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“We are still studying the proposal (by ECERDC). We have not reached any conclusion.


dream on...
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2030?! long way to go...
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Apr 18 2013, 11:50 AM)
dream on...
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I hope they really build it.

Right now, the definite plan is to rebuild Kuantan-Kerteh line into electrified double tracking, RM 2 billion.

A major challenge will be to build long railway tunnel across Titiwangsa. Costly but will become technical marvel of Malaysia like Switzerland smile.gif

KL to Kuantan may take 90 minutes or up to 2 hours on this rail.
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Here at Cherating, if you walk toward inland, you will see an railways.
but i never heard any train use it.
wonder what it for?
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QUOTE(ojan @ Apr 18 2013, 11:53 AM)
2030?! long way to go...
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I think since project in four phases...

Government should focus this first.

Mentakab-Kuantan-Kuala Terrenganu-Kota Bharu first.

Or....

KL-Kuantan as first phase.
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QUOTE(halimsan @ Apr 18 2013, 11:54 AM)
Here at Cherating, if you walk toward inland, you will see an railways.
but i never heard any train use it.
wonder what it for?
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Kuantan-Kerteh rail. No longer used. Was built by Petronas for cargo.

Now the plan is to rebuild the track into electrified double track just like Klang Valley, Rawang-Ipoh KTM track.

160 km/h operation guaranteed.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:55 AM)
I think since project in four phases...

Government should focus this first.

Mentakab-Kuantan-Kuala Terrenganu-Kota Bharu first.

Or....

KL-Kuantan as first phase.
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You and all become old fag ready.... to see this even

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2030?

damn when I was small, I believe 2020 we'll see flying cars everywhere...now the future looks not so bright
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:56 AM)
Kuantan-Kerteh rail. No longer used. Was built by Petronas for cargo.

Now the plan is to rebuild the track into electrified double track just like Klang Valley, Rawang-Ipoh KTM track.

160 km/h operation guaranteed.
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thanks for the info.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:55 AM)
I think since project in four phases...

Government should focus this first.

Mentakab-Kuantan-Kuala Terrenganu- Kota Bharu first.

Or....

KL-Kuantan as first phase.
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FIXED!
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Longest railway tunnel in Asean possible!
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 12:01 PM)
Longest railway tunnel in Asean possible!
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how long? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ojan @ Apr 18 2013, 12:02 PM)
how long?  hmm.gif
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Not sure, there is no technical study yet.

Right now only feasibility study.

However, a tunnel is a must smile.gif
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Err y not building it all the way to Johor?
between the cost is huge if they want to cut the banjaran titiwangsa.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:53 AM)
A major challenge will be to build long railway tunnel across Titiwangsa. Costly but will become technical marvel of Malaysia like Switzerland smile.gif

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not technical marvel, but legendary.

banjaran titiwangsa aint the alps. nobody has yet to successfully cut across soft rocks like limestone that move a lot, especially panjang2 punya.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 18 2013, 12:04 PM)
Err y not building it all the way to Johor?
between the cost is huge if they want to cut the banjaran titiwangsa.
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obvious rite......... KL is the capital city of Malaysia... bnyk east coast kerja KL
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we should lots of our tourist destination there
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Apr 18 2013, 12:09 PM)
obvious rite......... KL is the capital city of Malaysia...  bnyk east coast kerja KL
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Johor is growing too.
connect it to johor and from johor going back to KL. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Apr 18 2013, 12:10 PM)
we should lots of our tourist destination there
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I prefer K.Terengganu over Kota Bahru.... KB is nothing except lotsa delicious food you can find there....... while KT is a "natural beach city", lotsa tourist attraction
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Apr 18 2013, 12:14 PM)
I prefer K.Terengganu over Kota Bahru....  KB is nothing except lotsa delicious food you can find there....... while KT is a "natural beach city", lotsa tourist attraction
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Kt big launching point for all the resort islands, extremely beneficial to them if got rail link from kl
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Apr 18 2013, 12:05 PM)
not technical marvel, but legendary.

banjaran titiwangsa aint the alps. nobody has yet to successfully cut across soft rocks like limestone that move a lot, especially panjang2 punya.
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Hopefully when they design it, it should also be able to be fitted dual gauge (metre gauge as well as standard gauge) for future.
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Apr 18 2013, 12:14 PM)
I prefer K.Terengganu over Kota Bahru....  KB is nothing except lotsa delicious food you can find there....... while KT is a "natural beach city", lotsa tourist attraction
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The proposed line will have stations in Pahang, Terengganu and Kelantan. So there is no question as of where it will stop as it will serve whole east coast.

KB is important because KL-KB flight is quite busy and KB population is fairly large for an east coast city.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 18 2013, 12:04 PM)
Err y not building it all the way to Johor?
between the cost is huge if they want to cut the banjaran titiwangsa.
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They must cut Titiwangsa if they want to reduce distance...

As in why not all the way from Kuantan to Johor the answer is that there is lack of travel demand for it, at this moment.

Travel pattern of peninsular is mostly towards KL.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 12:24 PM)
They must cut Titiwangsa if they want to reduce distance...

As in why not all the way from Kuantan to Johor the answer is that there is lack of travel demand for it, at this moment.

Travel pattern of peninsular is mostly towards KL.
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actually what I mean is Kuantan-Johor-KL.
something like these.
To cut the titiwangsa it going to take them a very long times. y not building it while waiting the cut to be completed.
aren't we already building 1 toward the KL-Johor.
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why not build sea bridge connecting peninsular to borneo eh?
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QUOTE(feekle @ Apr 18 2013, 12:33 PM)
why not build sea bridge connecting peninsular to borneo eh?
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that would be mission impossible. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 18 2013, 12:33 PM)
that would be mission impossible. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(feekle @ Apr 18 2013, 12:33 PM)
why not build sea bridge connecting peninsular to borneo eh?
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Hehe, I prefer to see Sabah-Sarawak rail with long tunnel passing Crocker biggrin.gif

Then also autobahn from Tawau to Lundu.
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but but i thought 2020 developed nation? why 2030?
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QUOTE(feekle @ Apr 18 2013, 12:34 PM)
modern marvels brows.gif
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I recall 1 building a underwater trains system connecting Europe and US.
using some vacuum tubes to increase the bullet train speed or something like that.
forget what the show name.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:53 AM)
I hope they really build it.

Right now, the definite plan is to rebuild Kuantan-Kerteh line into electrified double tracking, RM 2 billion.

A major challenge will be to build long railway tunnel across Titiwangsa. Costly but will become technical marvel of Malaysia like Switzerland smile.gif

KL to Kuantan may take 90 minutes or up to 2 hours on this rail.
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fuuuu.. when is the expected completion date for kuantan-kerteh? the train will be passing by my hometown
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QUOTE(rockstar_ @ Apr 18 2013, 12:37 PM)
fuuuu.. when is the expected completion date for kuantan-kerteh? the train will be passing by my hometown
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No timeline, only announcement lol.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 18 2013, 12:36 PM)
I recall 1 building a underwater trains system connecting Europe and US.
using some vacuum tubes to increase the bullet train speed or something like that.
forget what the show name.
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either mega structure, mega builders, modern marvels
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i be dead.. in 2030... what a waste
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KL to Kelantan = RM60bil NOT ok

KL to Kelantan in 60mins = RM60bil very ok
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i be dead.. in 2030... what a waste
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not really. we're happier without you
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 18 2013, 12:40 PM)
KL to Kelantan = RM60bil NOT ok

KL to Kelantan in 60mins = RM60bil very ok
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620 km in 1 hour unlikely. Even if use 300 km/h train, it will still need 2 to 2.5 hours.

That said, it is expected for KL-Tumpat on KTM EDTP to be done in 6 hours or so.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Apr 18 2013, 12:35 PM)
but but i thought 2020 developed nation? why 2030?
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bang that is 1 huge rail system to build.
cutting the titiwangsa will be very challenging for us. probably will take us 10 years to do so.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 12:42 PM)
620 km in 1 hour unlikely. Even if use 300 km/h train, it will still need 2 to 2.5 hours.

That said, it is expected for KL-Tumpat on KTM EDTP to be done in 6 hours or so.
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6hours? by car is 7-8 hours right.. should be 4hours by train to make it attractive..
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QUOTE(ojan @ Apr 18 2013, 12:48 PM)
6hours? by car is 7-8 hours right.. should be 4hours by train to make it attractive..
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If 4 hour need to build full standard gauge and use 250 km/h train.

However, this line is 100% connected to KTM, it will be similar to ETS.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 18 2013, 12:44 PM)
bang that is 1 huge rail system to build.
cutting the titiwangsa will be very challenging for us. probably will take us 10 years to do so.
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construction should have started in the 90s duncha think?

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Apr 18 2013, 12:54 PM)
construction should have started in the 90s duncha think?
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lucky we did not start during that times.
we will have big economy crisis back than.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Apr 18 2013, 12:54 PM)
construction should have started in the 90s duncha think?
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2. Asian Financial crisis during 1997-1998
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QUOTE(CuteMaestro @ Apr 18 2013, 01:07 PM)
60 billion? You drive me crazy~
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I don't know the actual cost.

However, this is 620 km long railway (equal to Padang Besar to Seremban length), full electrification, double track and tunnels across mountain range.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 12:42 PM)
620 km in 1 hour unlikely. Even if use 300 km/h train, it will still need 2 to 2.5 hours.

That said, it is expected for KL-Tumpat on KTM EDTP to be done in 6 hours or so.
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2030 year wor.

Dont u think 300km/h should be standard by that time?

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QUOTE(evilsmile @ Apr 18 2013, 11:57 AM)
2030?

damn when I was small, I believe 2020 we'll see flying cars everywhere...now the future looks not so bright
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:48 AM)
http://malaysiandigest.com/business/319431...60-billion.html

East Coast Rail Line May Cost RM60 Billion

Thursday, 18 April 2013 10:05

THE 620km East Coast Rail Route (ECRR) linking Greater Kuala Lumpur and three east coast states in Peninsular Malaysia is expected to cost around RM60 billion, sources say.

Most of the potential line’s required investment will be sourced from the private sector, they added.

The East Coast Economic Region Development Council (ECERDC) has proposed the ECRR to the federal government and its viability is being studied by the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD).

SPAD plays a central role in improving road and rail-based public and freight transport in the country.

Its chief development officer Azmi Abdul Aziz Gamusaid the ECRR aims to create rail connectivity to the east coast and provide economic spillover from Greater Kuala Lumpur.

“We are still studying the proposal (by ECERDC). We have not reached any conclusion.

“A new railway scheme will be formed as it will involve cutting across the Main Range (Banjaran Titiwangsa),” Azmi told Business Times on the sidelines of the Rail Solutions Asia conference here yesterday.

He added that the project, if viable, will be implemented in four phases. He, however, declined to reveal the cost.

“We have mapped out plans to develop railway infrastructure in Malaysia up to 2030. We are now working on plans beyond 2030.

This project (ECRR) may be implemented before or after 2030,” Azmi said.

According to sources, ECRR will take about 15 years to develop as it will involve a lot of underground work and building tunnels across Banjaran Titiwangsa.
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60 billion? at least donate 1 million to me la.. walao..

60 billion.. total waste money sial

inb4 malaysia akan bankrupt .. puui!

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 18 2013, 01:21 PM)
2030 year wor.

Dont u think 300km/h should be standard by that time?
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Don't think so.

Best situation is like this.

Dual gauge line. Supports both KTM gauge as well as wider gauge (for faster train).

The impetus of the east coast rail line is for both passenger, as well as cargo smile.gif
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before or after 2030 ==

can done all 2020?

still got 7 years from now
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 18 2013, 01:27 PM)
Don't think so.

Best situation is like this.

Dual gauge line. Supports both KTM gauge as well as wider gauge (for faster train).

The impetus of the east coast rail line is for both passenger, as well as cargo smile.gif
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oh I forgot, we are Malaysian we suppose to be late for technology by 30-50yrs.

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is it economically viable ?

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 18 2013, 01:29 PM)
oh I forgot, we are Malaysian we suppose to be late for technology by 30-50yrs.
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Nothing to do with technology.

We have significant amount of existing rail which are normally narrow gauge, just like Japan.

In Japan, there are two different networks of conventional rail (trains running 130 km/h across the country) and fast Shinkansen (260 km/h and more).

Same should apply to us.

Improved KTM network with separate high speed network.
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then build separate gauge, how hard is that with 60bil moneh?
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 18 2013, 01:39 PM)
then build separate gauge, how hard is that with 60bil moneh?
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The issue is not the money, the issue is they want the east coast rail link to connect with existing KTM network as well.

They will not consider building whole 1,435 mm track alone for this project (KTM is 1,000 mm), as they intend to use it for cargo too. They have the plan to run cargo train from Port Klang to Kuantan port. Hence it will connect to the rest of KTM network which is also 1,000 mm gauge.

That said, considering the ECRR is currently under feasibility study now (technical study not yet), many more details not known smile.gif

Ideally (in my opinion), the ECRR should be built with dual gauge like this.

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 18 2013, 12:36 PM)
I recall 1 building a underwater trains system connecting Europe and US.
using some vacuum tubes to increase the bullet train speed or something like that.
forget what the show name.
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QUOTE(feekle @ Apr 18 2013, 12:39 PM)
either mega structure, mega builders, modern marvels
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That underwater tunnel from europe to USA, futuristic idea,

Programme called extreme engineering

No more showing on discovery channel, only on discovery science , by the way, i watched that tunnel episode like almost 6 years ago.. sweat.gif
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an ultra fast cargo train on the new gauge isnt a bad idea also. it could eat away singapore port business.

So a new gauge with the intersection station stop like KL sentral in between to switch stuff to slower KTM train.
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Ya, maybe you do well to remember that we went thru:

1. Commodity Shock' during 1985-1986
2. Asian Financial crisis during 1997-1998
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 18 2013, 12:58 PM)
lucky we did not start during that times.
we will have big economy crisis back than.
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Still a better investment than proton

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In good situation, a cargo train on standard gauge can do 160 km/h.
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lets do 300km/h, my car can reach 160km/h like a boss. need something faster than my car.
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why not improve the Tumpat-Gemas KTM line.

Kuala Terengganu-Kuantan already got East Coast Highway which can improve driving time.Option to upgrade Kuantan-Kertih line into electrified double tracking is good since Kuantan-Kemaman-Kertih quite congested during peak hour.
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60 billion? better provide healthcare benifits to people then play with trains
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QUOTE(kukakoko @ Apr 18 2013, 04:03 PM)
why not improve the Tumpat-Gemas KTM line.

Kuala Terengganu-Kuantan already got East Coast Highway which can improve  driving time.Option to upgrade Kuantan-Kertih line into electrified double tracking is good since Kuantan-Kemaman-Kertih quite congested during peak hour.
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The key is to provide public transport, especially modern rail to Kuantan, Terengganu and KB from KL. We have neglected our rail development for many decades,.

Rail is electrified, meaning long term cost on petrol will be reduced. It is also much faster than driving. It allows Kuantan port to grow too, as it can benefit from direct transhipment from Port Klang to Kuantan at the other side. Kuantan Port will become bigger and more jobs to locals.

Kuantan-Kerteh line will be upgraded into electrified double tracking and integrated with future KL-Kelantan electrified double track network.

It is estimated a train from KL-Kuantan Sentral may take 90 minutes to 2 hours. Road accidents will also reduce as train travel is always safer than on bus. Upgrading Tumpat-Gemas line alone will not serve the purpose as transport demand is always KL-Kuantan, KL-KT. KL-KB flights is one of the busiest in peninsular.

Economic spillover from having ECRR is immense.

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60 billion? better provide healthcare benifits to people then play with trains
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Capital investment on infrastructure is as important as providing social service.

It is not as if you are spending RM 60 billion on one single year.

If the project timeline is 15 years, you only spend RM 4 billion a year. And that's if the government pays 100% of the cost. That means it is only 1.5% of total annual federal budget.

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This is not BN election campaigns? Government is caretaker only now, how can announce project?
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QUOTE(bsa12 @ Apr 18 2013, 04:50 PM)
This is not BN election campaigns? Government is caretaker only now, how can announce project?
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This is nothing to do with election or politics.

The news only derived from a comment on public transport regulatory body at a railway conference that was held in KLCC.

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