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post Jan 9 2007, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Gurdian @ Jan 9 2007, 01:58 PM)
i don't really recommend that redbull, your 2007 is an excellent monitor for the x360 already...extra 4" is really no biggie...

furthermore, judging from your system specs on ur sig, 1920x1200 pc gaming might not be suitable for fluid frame rates.

If u wanna go bigger, then invest either in a decent 1080p lcd tv, or wait for the new 24" benq revision (with scaling fix) to reach MY. But God only knows how long that's gonna take...
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1080p LCDTV? That's too expensive la... way out of my budget. laugh.gif Will consider one perhaps in another year i guess (when 1080p lcdtv reaches mainstream). tongue.gif Thing is, i got a special deal on the 24" Dell, something i can't refuse. So might as well get it when i have the chance. My X1950Pro can play Battlefield 2142 and NFS: Carbon at 1600x1200 (without reso hack) smooth enuff, so not much of a problem for me. tongue.gif
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post Jan 16 2007, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Gurdian @ Jan 16 2007, 09:31 AM)
was reading In.Tech just now...realized the dell 27" 2707WFP has reached Malaysian shores...

Pretty impressive how it's available here so fast. I'd expect it to go the usual rounds in Japan, UK and US before we finally get a piece...

cost a whopping RM5999...lol

even the 30" is cheaper @ RM4999 with cash rebates.

But then again, you'd need some 8800 sli going on to run games @ 2560 x 1600.
The 27" has a native reso of 1920x1200.

I wonder how it handles 1:1 scaling for 1920x1080...

edit: Some pics I found...
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It was already available here the moment Dell announce it officially at CES last week. biggrin.gif I'm guessing we're gonna see the price drops to RM3999 soon as next month Samsung's gonna launch their 275T 27" LCD at US$999. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 16 2007, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(silencer @ Jan 16 2007, 12:21 PM)
redbull, does the single 8800 card sufficient enuff to run this beast.....with the specified resolution....
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Since the 27" is a 1920x1200 panel, i'd say the 8800 won't have any problems with any current games at such resolution. That is, until Crysis finally comes out. laugh.gif
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post Jan 16 2007, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Jan 16 2007, 12:32 PM)
27" RM 3999 ?
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That's the estimated price after Dell's "rebate" tongue.gif
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post Jan 22 2007, 10:16 PM

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Seems like Dell 2407WFP rev04 has finally fixed the 1:1 pixel mapping issue. rclxm9.gif

More info here. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 23 2007, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Gurdian @ Jan 23 2007, 06:29 PM)
got off the phone with Dell Support earlier...

I tell you, speaking with the morons in tech support requires alotta patience man...

I spent 15 mins speaking to 2 dumb girls and TEACHING THEM the difference between drivers and monitor revisions.

Finally they found out for me the REVA04 for the 2407 isn't in MY yet...which is no surprise to me cuz the A04  has only been out for 1 week or so in Sg...

So the usual case number was given to me and they'll call me once the A04 touches our shores (yea right, i'll prolly have to call them weekly for an update)
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do update us if u manage to change yours to Rev04 k? rclxms.gif In the mean time i'll try to ask my friend who's working in Dell as well. smile.gif
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post Jan 24 2007, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(fair-pley @ Jan 24 2007, 09:26 AM)
This Dell 2407 REVA04 support 1080p ? At what resolution ? And DHCP ready ? So many ppl looking for this model..might change if it does support 1080p..
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Yup it does, but not through component input of coz. But no, it's not DHCP ready since it's not a router. It's HDCP ready. laugh.gif tongue.gif
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post Jan 24 2007, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(Gurdian @ Jan 24 2007, 07:22 PM)
redbull, any news about the a04 from your side?
i've got nothing yet...sad.gif
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me neither. sad.gif
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post Jan 26 2007, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Gurdian @ Jan 24 2007, 11:32 PM)
don't hold your breath fairpley

it's only popping up here and there in Sg and Japan and a few in US.

There were ppl who ordered after the news of ppl getting a04 and they STILL got the a03.

much like everyone is saying, they'll prolly try and clear all the a03 or sell it to as many ppl who don;t care about a03 or a04 b4 cuz they wanna reduce the cost of reflashing their whole stock of 2407 and also to reduce cost of picking up the monitors from us and sending it back for reflashing.

Dell is a pretty tricky lot.

For MONTHS we 2407 owners have been shouting at the top of our lungs for a 1:1 fix. All we got was total ignorance and the closing of one eye.

The minute benq releases a 1:1 fix for their own 24", they come in guns blazing with their own fix.

which possibly summarizes dell's policy:
"If it's broke, fix it...IF our competitors do"

disgusting.
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I just got my friend's msg, he says there's still no rev04 available for the 2407WFP yet. And the worst news is that they won't replace your unit unless it's faulty. If you're gonna complain bout the 1080p and 1:1 issue, then their standard answer would be.. "It's working as per design" doh.gif sweat.gif

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post Feb 2 2007, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(eone @ Feb 2 2007, 03:59 PM)
i don't see any differences between 720p and 1080i on my samsung lcd with component...
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that's bcoz the source is 720p, scaled to 1080i.
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post Feb 10 2007, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(verced @ Feb 10 2007, 04:46 AM)
Speaking of which, I have received my A04 revision. smile.gif

This time, it does work as advertised. Banding is almost non existent. Everything surely does look better now.

The washout issue for VGA input's still there, but it can be fixed easily via the service menu.
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U get a replacement or a new unit? hmm.gif
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post Feb 10 2007, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(verced @ Feb 10 2007, 12:26 PM)
Everything's in the original package. I received one refurbished one before, but I returned it straight away.It's a brand new unit this time. smile.gif

I thought I'm getting a refurbished unit since I've been using the current one for more than half a year now If I'm not mistaken. Lucky for me I guess...

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Make some noise? You don't have to go round shouting at people, just tell them nicely what you're not happy with, and why you wanted a replacement unit, I guess they'll be more than happy to replace it for you, it's not like they have anything to loose.
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That's good to hear, will try to get a replacement for my current 6-month old 2407 as well. rclxms.gif
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post Feb 12 2007, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(nabelon @ Feb 12 2007, 01:25 PM)
And the best for RM700 range,what would that be.I wont go for 20 dell or whatever in the range coz its way over my budget.What i want is the best below 800. Thanks smile.gif
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The 19" LG 194WT widescreen lcd is currently selling for RM699 and BenQ ones are around RM685. rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif
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post Feb 17 2007, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(gnome @ Feb 17 2007, 07:32 PM)
Going to KL next week to hunt for a lcd monitor, does anyone know if the new samsung lcd available already? thinking of getting either 20 or 22 inch if enuf budget laugh.gif

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LC...20MEWSFVXAA.asp

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LC...22MEWSFVXAA.asp
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A friend of mine says the Samsung 226BW is already available and selling for RM1330. rclxm9.gif
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post Feb 23 2007, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(edoras81 @ Feb 23 2007, 03:30 PM)
I just got myself a 2407 dell monitor with the A04 revision, a lot of people is saying its good cause of something called a 1:1 thingy. I'm using the HDAV cables provided not VGA and i've set my 360 settings to display at 1080i. However when i set my monitor settings to 1:1 it shows the black bars on all 4 sides.

As you can tell i'm very much a newbie so all advice is appreciated. Especially what should the optimal settings for monitor be?

Thank you very much guys.
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Try choosing Aspect (or 4:3?) mode instead. cool.gif
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post Feb 23 2007, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(edoras81 @ Feb 23 2007, 03:57 PM)
Because I thought the HDAV cables can only go up to 1080i...only vga cables can support 1080p right.....?
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Yup u are corrent. Is the black bars on the top n bottom only? Coz that's what it supposed to be since the output is 16:9 while the monitor is 16:10, so there's extra pixels on the top n bottom part. smile.gif
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post Feb 23 2007, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(verced @ Feb 23 2007, 05:15 PM)
I've tried both 720p and 1080p and I can't see any difference.... really, I looked high and low for it and I'm pretty anal about graphics. The screen is just too small to show the minor differences. The Xbox UI feels a bit more sluggish too (the UI bar on the left screen when you click on the middle button) Maybe it's just me though. smile.gif
On the contrary, the screen is not too small to show the difference. The difference is actually very noticeable. You can try with a PC game, and try different resolutions ranging from 1280x800 to 1920x1200 and u will immediately see the obvious difference. The thing bout the 360 is that currently all output is actually scaled from 720p, so u won't notice any major differences. You can even try it with the PS3 and compare the text on the XMB menu between 720p and 1080p, the difference is very noticeable.
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post Feb 23 2007, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(verced @ Feb 23 2007, 05:34 PM)
My bad. I only have the 360 to test the output with. Everything else is being displayed from My PC. Like you said, 1080 videos looks way better than 720p videos. smile.gif

The differences is quite pronounce maybe because we're sitting so close to the monitor. Once you move back a few feet, it looks pretty much the same. Even a lousy PS2 graphics on this monitor looks pretty good when you're not sticking your nose up to the monitor (normal computer viewing distance vs normal tv viewing distance)

Since we're on the topic of resolution, if I were to purchase a 40', will I see a huge difference between a 1080p & 720p?
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Yeah man, for an lcd monitor 24" is enough to see the difference between 1080p and 720p, but for an lcd tv where one would seat abit further (typically 7 feet away), then you'd need at least 40" lcdtv to see any difference. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(verced @ Feb 23 2007, 10:19 PM)
If that's the case, that means 1080p != 1080 pixels for the component input. How's the quality like? I need to do quite a lot of adjustments in order to make the VGA looks good. The original image appears a bit too washed out. It looks freaking good now though.... biggrin.gif
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Care to share what tweaks u did with the lcd? Adjusting the colors thru the service menu rite? brows.gif
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post Mar 6 2007, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(verced @ Mar 6 2007, 03:02 PM)
The 30' Dell monitor is not exactly a TV as it requires dual DVI to power the freaking high resolution 2560x1600. So I guess that's pretty much out of the picture at the moment.
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It's dual-link DVI, not dual DVI. The monitor had only a single DVI input. Why do everyone kept confused with dual-link DVI for dual DVI. rclxub.gif

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