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hojeff
post Jul 12 2008, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Jul 11 2008, 04:17 AM)
sorry for bumping old thread.
I'm getting interested to do a LASIK.
Really annoyed by my so imperfect vision.

Currently, most seems to recommend Optimax.
My mom did intra-Lasik there
previously more than -10.00
all goes very well. Just still left some presbyopia

But after some researching, I'm focused on Vista.
They seem to have some more advance tech.
Check out their NASA iLASIK.

NASA approves a type of laser eye treatment for their astronauts.
Got a few commercial names. Checking the equipment Vista is using for their iLASIK seems to match those that are approved by NASA

Very expensive though.
Normal price: RM6500/eye
Bank promotion: RM5000/eye
Can get 0% installment up to 48 months (select credit cards) = RM210/month for both eyes.
Follow up care of 24 months
Lifetime warranty

Looking at the price might seems expensive but as I intend to take the installment, I guess some extra won't be felt too much.
Always better to get the best that we can afford.

Anyone done this type of treatment?
Or knows anyone else?
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try out Dr Ching Wing Seng from Pantai Cheras. he has the best LASIK system in the country. Allegretto Wave Q. It's a system that can basically treat almost all complication of myopia and hyperopia. With the customize Q wave technology it can do presbiopia too. On top, the system runs at 200 Hz ( if he has not upgrade his to 400 Hz ), the repititation rate of the laser is very important and with an digital micro real time scanning system fpr tracking the eye movement.

i can't say more as it might this might turn into an advert. Dr Ching is one of the country very few Ocular Plastic Surgeon ( ophthalmologist too as well but more specialize in ocular plastic ) and a very well known ophthalmologist in the country.



hojeff
post Dec 21 2008, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(fearz @ Dec 10 2008, 07:31 PM)
I think they started beginning of this month December. The chinese lady doctor I spoke to(theres 2 doctors, her and the malay lady whos head of the department) said she did about 200 patients so far and none have any complications so far "touch wood" lol. Yea the price is like almost RM 12.5k before discount not cheap at all tongue.gif but now they offering 9.3k.
The excimer laser is called Mel-80 if im not wrong.
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i assume it's PCMC / prince Court medical Centre that you have asked. Only PCMC has mel 80 in asia. Mel 80 is a refractive laser system from carl Ziess. ypu can get much cheaper with more advance system in Pantai Bangsar..look for Dr Ching weng Sing an ocular plastic surgeon there. He own the world most advance refractive laser system, Allegretto wave. And he charge much cheaper too, not to mention the exprience he has.


QUOTE(poppy123 @ Dec 21 2008, 12:09 AM)
Thinking to do it long long time ago,but after browsing through all the posts here,i don't think i want to do it already...Last time i was told the fee was like RM3-5k only,but now it seems to me it will cost around RM10k for the best lasik surgery.Is there any way insurance can cover the cost for me?Not willing to fork out that much for something which i don't really need.Hehe...
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RM 10k for a Lasik surgery is not worth it. ILasik or so call whatever it is, it just a marketing gimmick. Lasik is procedure is the same on all. Ablation of your uneven corneal surface.

In Lasik, there's only which system has the fastest repititation rate, the most advance scanner and the best laser power delivery. Using baldes or no blades makes not much difference at all. Just another marketing gimmick to me.


hojeff
post Dec 22 2008, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 21 2008, 06:03 PM)
U really can't say what's worth & what's not in regard to this.
The Nasa iLasik is definitely a marketing gimmick but not baseless. The machine is indeed approved for use by NASA & US military.

Saying using microkeratome or intralase system makes no different is just wrong.
Saying there is not much difference is acceptable though.
Yes there isn't much difference but statistically the all-laser system have less complication percentage.
Microkeratome still depends on operator hands.
Laser flap making is totally on the machine.
No human hands can reproduce consistently & accurately as what the machines can do.

Your statement "In Lasik, there's only which system has the fastest repititation rate, the most advance scanner and the best laser power delivery" contradicts to what u said as not worth it.
Different machine & technology have different prices.

The Nasa iLasik is also relatively new. so of course price will be higher. Once they recoup the costs & more competition using the machine, I believe price will drop.

Saying all Lasik systems are the same is an ignorant statement.
The fundamental basic is the same yes.
But how the machine do it, differs.
Early machines corrects each type of irregularities separately.
Shortsighted 1st, then only do the astigmatism => unnecessary tissue wastage.
Newer machine do it all in a single shot.
There are some other minor differences as well.

Btw, have u undergone a lasik surgery?

U can't put a price on my eyes.
10 grand is a mere pocket change in comparison to what my eyes are worth.
I won't sell half my eyeball from 10 million.
A small part of my liver..maybe. My eyes..no way.

If u can afford it, why not take the best proven system?
Approval by US military is good enough reason for me smile.gif

I do believe most other machines are good enough to do the job of correcting my eyes.
Do whatever makes u feel best
If u feel the extra 5k is unnecessary, no problem.
Most newer systems are reliable enough that it is just a matter of personal choice icon_rolleyes.gif
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i''m sorry if i have offended you. but i was laughing all the way, when i'm reading thru your reply. No offence.

I'm a very practical person, Nasa Lasik or iLasik of what they call it to me is still a marketing gimmick no matter what they call. in refractive surgery our aim is to produce 20/20 vision or 'Eagle Eye' if possible..(better than 20/20 vision ). yes, Nasa Approves the all laser lasik, so?
does the FDA clearance need the it to be so?

I'm sorry to me microkerotome is still the best way to remove the corneal flap...why? if your Intralase or light based removal, you will create uneven surface on the corneal on micro/nano size level and the and that might happer the result ( of course, yoou might need to consider which refractive system the person will be using )...i'm sorry if i confused you but if yoou search the web in more details, you will find what i'm saying.

In my line of profession, we dealt we technological advance on daily basis, and we compare system to system ( technology to technology daily ) and trust me, most of the system out there saying that they achieve high level of success rate by patients selection process. Thus, the only way to ask for the best system is to look at thier clinical research reports and clinical FDA datas. On microkeratome side, or blade flap cut, i still a strong believer of that due to the long history of low complication rate. Of coz, again you need to know which microkeratome that your physician is using.

as for myself, i'm a medical laser specialist which also a consultant for a New York based reserach firm Gerson Lehrman Group. And nope, i have yet to do my lasik surgery yet, why? because i'm awaiting my presbiopia to develop and i can do it all together with my myopia that i having at the moment.


Again, my appologies if i did offended you.
hojeff
post Dec 22 2008, 05:46 PM

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Comparison


God da@M it, just spend an hour on the article and it was lost during the tag attachment. Will try to reply our discussion in details again.

This post has been edited by hojeff: Dec 22 2008, 05:49 PM
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post Jan 5 2009, 05:57 PM

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my recomendation is always the same Dr Ching Weng Seng from Pantai Cheras medical Centre. He is one of the fee ophthalmologist - ocular plastic surgeon in malaysia.

Tel: 03 9132 8211
hojeff
post Jan 5 2009, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jan 5 2009, 06:17 PM)
i think the doctors at tun hussein onn eye hospital are okay..
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THONEH or tun Hussien Onn National Eye Hospital, is a semi government hospital. Some of the Dr / not all, are quite inexprience in dealing with more complicated cases.
hojeff
post Jan 6 2009, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(neo_6053 @ Jan 5 2009, 08:33 PM)
to be honest, i'm from optimax at TTDI ... but i stupid enough to not choose a chinese doctor ... i'm quite frustrated wth optimax now .. i've ask to make an appointment with Dr chua but the receptionist tell me it's not "ETHICAL" to let other doctor to follow up my case ... WTF
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Go for Dr Ching Weng Seng, a very well known ophthalmologist cum ocular plastic surgeon in the region. he has a refractive laser / LASIK - the most advance in the world and perfrom more than 1000++ cases on LASIK. He should able to assist you well.
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post Jan 17 2009, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Dec 22 2008, 05:57 PM)
er..that's a comparison of 2 different types of microkeratome?
Aren't we looking for microkeratome vs laser? unsure.gif
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hojeff
post Jan 18 2009, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(caerulln @ Jan 17 2009, 12:51 AM)
lol i thought u're done with it already.
Btw, what profession are u in again? whatever it is, I'm calling the BS flag.
U can't even distinguish a proper source of info from a website with a google ad at the bottom of the page sweat.gif

Not that I'm saying whatever system is the best or better or safest or whatever it is.
That's not the point.
The point is, I'll take any info i found from a page with a google ad with a grain of salt.

i'm sorry if i have offended you. but i was laughing all the way, when i'm reading thru your reply. No offence. (copying your words tongue.gif)

ps. In my guess, the system should work flawlessly.
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No offence taken.

i do understand your point of view over the google search ad. but the point i'm trying to point out is that to show you what is this system about, the specs and the technology behind. if you have taken a bit more time to do some research on that system that i'm pointed at you, i believe you won't laughing.

Allegretto Wave is really a superb system. nope i'm not selling the system or what but i do manage to do a research on most of the system in the market ie. Mel 80, B&L 217Z, Alcon 4000, Nidek, Visx, CustomVis and Allegretto range of families.

Top refractive surgeon in the region Dr jerry tan from Singapore is also a user of this system, Allegretto Wave Eye Q, another way to prove my point right. Ask any ophthalmologist in refractive surgery and they will know who is Dr Jerry Tan from Singapore.

Finally, yes, the system work very much flawless. look at thier clinical paper from google if you do have the time and you will be impress.

Clinical papers - Abstract
Clnical papers - abstract 2
clinical papers - abstract 3
Clinical papers
Comparison papers - must read
Clinical papers

above is some of the papers you can get from the net. if you need more and more precise papers, i would have to go back to my office and provide it to you.

I'm a medical laser specialist - consultant for a NY based reserach firm.



 

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