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post Apr 3 2013, 08:24 AM, updated 13y ago

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I am interested to explore into overseas property such as Australia or NZ.
Had been seeing many advertisement and agents promoting overseas property in UK, Canada and especially Australia.

Any sifu with tips or advice?

This post has been edited by ken1212: Apr 3 2013, 08:31 AM
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post Apr 3 2013, 11:03 AM

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I am working in Australia at the moment.

Depend on your budget, you can buy a house nearby mining area and rent it out for good money. However the appreciate value for the house is slower compare with others.
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If u r loaded, choose SP Setia Battersea @ London. Again, good luck
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i actually kinda like SP's Fulton Lane in Melbourne... not enough bullets doh.gif
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post Apr 3 2013, 01:15 PM

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battersea n fulton looks attactive.. but way above my budget of $350k.
anyone has experience and bought any overseas unit?
lotsa factors to consider such as the management corporation fees, council rates, water rates and other outgoings.. etc etc.. which cost substantial.. probably end up with 3% or lower in terms of net yield...


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QUOTE(sleepy 1 @ Apr 3 2013, 11:03 AM)
I am working in Australia at the moment.

Depend on your budget, you can buy a house nearby mining area and rent it out for good money. However the appreciate value for the house is slower compare with others.
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which part of Australia are u working?
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post Apr 3 2013, 02:18 PM

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Hi everyone, I'm a property investment consultant in Australia, particularly in Melbourne as I'm based there. Please PM me for anyone who is interested to know more about property investment in Australia. Or I can share my 2 cents here if the topic is not too broad.
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post Apr 3 2013, 02:22 PM

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of such topic attracts newbie with unknown credibility who join up today.

if you want to invest in Australia market,

do read up sites like

domain.com.au
realestate.com.au

pls dont buy on speculation or what people say, do your homework.
else you will get burn.

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post Apr 3 2013, 02:31 PM

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I am not even trying to sell any property to begin with. If I am a newbie I won't happen to know this site and coincidentally create a new login. I create a new login to reply to this topic as I lost mine after migrating to Australia.

One thing I learned here is that trust and credibility is earned. You guys can determine it yourself, but then again, I'm a stranger, it is sadly understandable.
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post Apr 3 2013, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(ken1212 @ Apr 3 2013, 08:24 AM)
I am interested to explore into overseas property such as Australia or NZ.
Had been seeing many advertisement and agents promoting overseas property in UK, Canada and especially Australia.

Any sifu with tips or advice?
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Firstly i am no sifu but i want to just give advice - free mah.

Please think carefully when those agent come to advertise here, means overprice !

Secondly, u need to know which city u target, simply tembak also can but not now as property price go up a lot a lot compare to a few years back. The current KL property price increase is nothing lah vs Australia.

Even within the city, u must also know which area, just like KL valley so big from Rawang to Bangi.

Also, some areas are prone to natural disaster - flood (see lah tv ; flood means not only one whole town, maybe bigger than whole selangor, not just one road) and forest fire - if u see the fire, u think it is amargeddon happening.

Then u must also know what is the market rate over there lah, don't be like a water fish; go and pay big money for some ulu kampong area.

So, no easy answer. shocking.gif rclxub.gif


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post Apr 3 2013, 08:16 PM

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yeah.. lotsa homework to do..
that's why I need some input or advice from this forum..
hopefully can get some pointers here..

i have been to few Australia property expo.. local agents unable to explain in details... lotsa grey area which not properly explained. it makes us difficult to decide due to uncertainty... especially when it involves large amount of money...

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post Apr 3 2013, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(neweeX @ Apr 3 2013, 04:50 PM)
Firstly i am no sifu but i want to just give advice - free mah.

Please think carefully when those agent come to advertise here, means overprice !

Secondly, u need to know which city u target, simply tembak also can but not now as property price go up a lot a lot compare to a few years back. The current KL  property price increase is nothing lah vs Australia.

Even within the city, u must also know which area,  just like KL valley so big from Rawang to Bangi.

Also, some areas are prone to natural disaster - flood (see lah tv ; flood means not only one whole town, maybe bigger than whole selangor,  not just one road) and forest fire - if u see the fire, u think it is amargeddon happening.

Then u must also know what is the market rate over there lah, don't be like a water fish; go and  pay big money for some ulu kampong area.

So, no easy answer.  shocking.gif  rclxub.gif
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yeah.. lots of factors to decide especially if you are not familiar with the geographical area.. like u mentioned flood, fire , etc which i never thought of...
will properties located in cbd a safer bet? but of course it cost more...

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post Apr 6 2013, 07:25 PM

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anyone here whom is familiar to getting a loan to finance a Australia property? any tips or advice?
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post Apr 6 2013, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(ken1212 @ Apr 6 2013, 07:25 PM)
anyone here whom is familiar to getting a loan to finance a Australia property? any tips or advice?
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If u attend those property seminars/expo/display (??) , they have their panel of bank. ANZ (Kl) or NAB (singapore) all happy to lend u money if u meet their requirements.

Cover your FX risks, this one again hard to give free advice, depending on case to case. How much risk you can take etc.

Depending what interest rate u can get , u may want to cover interest rate risks (can go up to 17% pa as in the past).



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post Apr 6 2013, 08:25 PM

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Your source of fund is wat currency? Eg SGD or HK or GBP, u need to understand the past , current and future trends.

Otherwise kena whack until u pengsan ah.
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post Apr 6 2013, 09:18 PM

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Today, I very free so can talk %@##

Currently for Syd, new launch, CBD, 2b 2t, min AUD750k+.

Compared to few yrs back while working there, I bought one for abt less than half today plus some RM was at 2.40.

Now collect rent about A$650/week.

Opportunity don't always come second time. Just pure fortunate. No need brains then just lots of foolishness.




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QUOTE(neweeX @ Apr 6 2013, 09:18 PM)
Today, I very free so can talk %@##

Currently for Syd, new launch, CBD, 2b 2t, min AUD750k+.

Compared to few yrs back while working there, I bought one for abt less than half today plus some RM was at 2.40. 

Now collect rent about A$650/week.

Opportunity don't always come second time. Just pure fortunate. No need brains then just lots of  foolishness.
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Assuming u bought yours at AUD$400k, with A$650/week, that means someone is paying for your mortgage. thumbup.gif
Btw, how do you secure your rental if you are here in Malaysia while your property is there?
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QUOTE(tailangong @ Apr 6 2013, 09:42 PM)
Assuming u bought yours at AUD$400k, with A$650/week, that means someone is paying for your mortgage.  thumbup.gif
Btw, how do you secure your rental if you are here in Malaysia while your property is there?
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ok, one last one, cannot talk too much, after pecah lubang.

if u get a good agent, there very professional one. They will check yr apartment twice a yr, to see the condition. Rental very fast can get new tenant, sometimes back to back one. Thank goodness, so far so good leh.

Also ah, negative gearing if your return becomes +ve, becos tax for non resident 40 %, tak boleh tahan.

Eh you holiday there also can claim expenses against your income. .... bye bye no more talking


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post Apr 10 2013, 04:38 PM

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how does the agent in australia charge you?
since we are physically here.. i think we need to appoint an agent there to help us to collect the rent, pay the assessment, etc..
i heard they charge 10% of the rental.. is it true?

if like that also quite a lot leh....
i will attend a few seminars or talk this coming weekends.. but most local agents cannot explain much... thats the dissapointing part..
they don't tell you in details, afraid of surprise cost...



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QUOTE(neweeX @ Apr 6 2013, 09:18 PM)
Today, I very free so can talk %@##

Currently for Syd, new launch, CBD, 2b 2t, min AUD750k+.

Compared to few yrs back while working there, I bought one for abt less than half today plus some RM was at 2.40. 

Now collect rent about A$650/week.

Opportunity don't always come second time. Just pure fortunate. No need brains then just lots of  foolishness.
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thanks for the pointer..
which currency are your financing?
Some told me to get loan from spore banks as interest rate is lower there between 2-3%, but lotsa restriction such as, minimum size of unit must be at least 48sm, then need to be radius of 15km within CBD.. and max 70% finacning...

in malaysia, i did checked with cimb n maybank.. interest rate about BLR -1.8%, though interest higher but lesser restriction..

whats your type of financing?

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y buying aussie house ? if u r moving oversea, ok. if ur purpose is to make money, land your money in malaysia better
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QUOTE(ken1212 @ Apr 10 2013, 04:42 PM)
thanks for the pointer..
which currency are your financing?
Some told me to get loan from spore banks as interest rate is lower there between 2-3%, but lotsa restriction such as, minimum size of unit must be at least 48sm, then need to be radius of 15km within CBD.. and max 70% finacning...

in malaysia, i did checked with cimb n maybank.. interest rate about BLR -1.8%, though interest higher but lesser restriction..

whats your type of financing?
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Hi, OCBC oso offer AUS oversea property financing, Only offer property in Melbourne, Sydney and Perth residential properties.

Margin of finance is up to 70% of the market value or up to RM 1 mil whichever lower. Loan tenure can up to 40 years or age 70 whichever come earlier.
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Nice to know OCBC bank provides financing for property in Melbourne!
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post Apr 12 2013, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 3 2013, 11:34 AM)
i actually kinda like SP's Fulton Lane in Melbourne... not enough bullets doh.gif
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Taken from my phone at nite. Not much development. drool.gif


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post Apr 12 2013, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(ken1212 @ Apr 3 2013, 08:24 AM)
I am interested to explore into overseas property such as Australia or NZ.
Had been seeing many advertisement and agents promoting overseas property in UK, Canada and especially Australia.

Any sifu with tips or advice?
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Let me just stop you right there and just STOP AND FORGET about this idea IMMEDIATELY. Just do a simple google on off the plan property purchase in Australia and you'll find hundreds of reasons why you shouldn't do it. But in a nutshell, this is what you need to know.

1) Foreigners buying in Australia are only allowed to buy new properties, i.e. off-the-plan properties.
2) Developers are selling off the plan properties at a future price, i.e. the price at the estimated completion date, not the current price. Which means you are doomed to lose money when you buy an off the plan properties. Just google and see cases of people not being able to even secure loans after the building is completed. I.e. you bought the unit for $600k and at completion, the bank value it at only $550k, and you'll need to scramble for the $50k gap.
3) If the development does get completed (That is a big if as A LOT of big developer goes busted half way and you have no way to claim your money back), you see a lot of cases where the finishing is different from the actual spec, i.e. the floor space is smaller, ceiling height is lower, floor plan get changed etc.
4) Because of point 1, the off the plan market is different from the REAL Australian market. In one sentence, it is the inflated Chinese market, and a lot of them just need a channel to siphon the money out of China so price is secondary concern.
5) Due to point 2 and 3, you'll see a lot of people selling at completion, and it is sold urgently at a lesser price.

There are obviously exceptions and it is still possible to find good purchases. But if you are not familiar with the market, it is a pure speculation with very very high risk. So again, STOP NOW!!



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QUOTE(neweeX @ Apr 12 2013, 10:07 AM)
Taken from my phone at nite. Not much development.    drool.gif
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i've only been to Melbourne once during my uni years... way way back, what's your opinion on the location of this development by the way?
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i've only been to Melbourne once during my uni years... way way back, what's your opinion on the location of this development by the way?
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Sorry bro, I not very sure.

My friend says ok only la. Not super prime.

Recommend Upper West Side if you got too much money. BTW, I am no agent just a keh poh, becos my friend bought there (UWS).

Otherwise dont waste your time.
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QUOTE(neweeX @ Apr 12 2013, 11:31 AM)
Sorry bro, I not very sure.

My friend says ok only la. Not super prime.

Recommend Upper West Side if you got too much money.  BTW, I am no agent just a keh poh, becos my friend bought there (UWS).

Otherwise dont waste your time.
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super prime comes with super high price tag sweat.gif

too much money is how much? laugh.gif
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Any Sifu familiar with Aus property?
I am looking to invest or send my children for study. So kind to buy a house there.

My uncle stay in Perth where the place are much quiet & mostly chinese. House are cheaper than Sydney or Melbourne.

How about Melbourne price now? I prefer landed or townhouse villa. Please advised !!
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QUOTE(divine061 @ Apr 12 2013, 10:22 AM)
Let me just stop you right there and just STOP AND FORGET about this idea IMMEDIATELY. Just do a simple google on off the plan property purchase in Australia and you'll find hundreds of reasons why you shouldn't do it. But in a nutshell, this is what you need to know.

1) Foreigners buying in Australia are only allowed to buy new properties, i.e. off-the-plan properties.
2) Developers are selling off the plan properties at a future price, i.e. the price at the estimated completion date, not the current price. Which means you are doomed to lose money when you buy an off the plan properties. Just google and see cases of people not being able to even secure loans after the building is completed. I.e. you bought the unit for $600k and at completion, the bank value it at only $550k, and you'll need to scramble for the $50k gap.
3) If the development does get completed (That is a big if as A LOT of big developer goes busted half way and you have no way to claim your money back), you see a lot of cases where the finishing is different from the actual spec, i.e. the floor space is smaller, ceiling height is lower, floor plan get changed etc.
4) Because of point 1, the off the plan market is different from the REAL Australian market. In one sentence, it is the inflated Chinese market, and a lot of them just need a channel to siphon the money out of China so price is secondary concern.
5) Due to point 2 and 3, you'll see a lot of people selling at completion, and it is sold urgently at a lesser price.

There are obviously exceptions and it is still possible to find good purchases. But if you are not familiar with the market, it is a pure speculation with very very high risk. So again, STOP NOW!!
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Good advice thumbup.gif
Plus upon completion, you can ONLY sell Australian properties to Australia citizens and/or Australian PR.

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QUOTE(neweeX @ Apr 12 2013, 11:31 AM)
Sorry bro, I not very sure.

My friend says ok only la. Not super prime.

Recommend Upper West Side if you got too much money.  BTW, I am no agent just a keh poh, becos my friend bought there (UWS).

Otherwise dont waste your time.
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Personally, I thought Fulton Lane's location is pretty good.

You have the Victoria market just beside it, offering cheap groceries. Cheaper than the two big supermarket chains, Safeway and Cole anyway.

Then you can easily get on the tram to go down to Swanston street, where there are a lot of happening going on.

Then again, these are just what I think and like about the place.
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QUOTE(divine061 @ Apr 12 2013, 10:22 AM)
Let me just stop you right there and just STOP AND FORGET about this idea IMMEDIATELY. Just do a simple google on off the plan property purchase in Australia and you'll find hundreds of reasons why you shouldn't do it. But in a nutshell, this is what you need to know.

1) Foreigners buying in Australia are only allowed to buy new properties, i.e. off-the-plan properties.
2) Developers are selling off the plan properties at a future price, i.e. the price at the estimated completion date, not the current price. Which means you are doomed to lose money when you buy an off the plan properties. Just google and see cases of people not being able to even secure loans after the building is completed. I.e. you bought the unit for $600k and at completion, the bank value it at only $550k, and you'll need to scramble for the $50k gap.
3) If the development does get completed (That is a big if as A LOT of big developer goes busted half way and you have no way to claim your money back), you see a lot of cases where the finishing is different from the actual spec, i.e. the floor space is smaller, ceiling height is lower, floor plan get changed etc.
4) Because of point 1, the off the plan market is different from the REAL Australian market. In one sentence, it is the inflated Chinese market, and a lot of them just need a channel to siphon the money out of China so price is secondary concern.
5) Due to point 2 and 3, you'll see a lot of people selling at completion, and it is sold urgently at a lesser price.

There are obviously exceptions and it is still possible to find good purchases. But if you are not familiar with the market, it is a pure speculation with very very high risk. So again, STOP NOW!!
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1. There are lots of rules here, but foreigners are not restricted to just off-the-plan properties, depending on use and whether it will be rented.
2. That is possible, but the ones I've recently looked at was on par with completed ones. Depends on your luck, if the market drops after you had bought, then you will be under water, but that's not the fault of the developer.
3. Developers must be able to sell x% off-the-plan before the bank will finance the project. This basically safeguard the project. As for variations in the final product, the developer is allowed some variations and this will be written in the contract.
4. Don't think Australian properties are being bought only by the Chinese.
5. There are very few flippers here. Most buy for investment or for own use.

Agents charge between 8 to 9% (+10% GST) of rent as management fees. They will also charge 2 weeks rent as leasing fee, then charge $100 or so for inspection, etc. Any maintenance issues, they will organise (usually their own contacts) to attend, and this can sometimes be expensive. All these fees will make a dent to your gross rent :-( and of course final yield. At present due to tight rental conditions, this is bearable as the rental income is high. This is also helping as capital appreciation is not that fantastic. With the interest rates dropping, I can see first home buyers market hotting up. Not so the rest of the market.

My two cents worth...
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QUOTE(karseng @ May 13 2013, 02:03 PM)
Any Sifu familiar with Aus property?
I am looking to invest or send my children for study. So kind to buy a house there.

My uncle stay in Perth where the place are much quiet & mostly chinese. House are cheaper than Sydney or Melbourne.

How about Melbourne price now? I prefer landed or townhouse villa. Please advised !!
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What is your budget? Which city are your kids likely to go study? Perth properties are not that far behind Sydney/Melbourne. Remember Perth is still a very car dependant city as the public transport is a little lacking. If your kids are required to take a bus/train, then this would be a consideration when choosing a property. With any cities, the cheaper the property is, the further out of the CBD it is.

Landed property. Are you expecting your kids to look after the yard/garden? There will definitely be more that can go wrong or require maintenance. Labour is expensive with most trades charging a call out fee, just to come and take a look before they even do the work. Usually between $75-$100.

Villas/townhouses slightly better.

Apartments would be best BUT you can end up paying lots in strata fees.

So, there are good and bad with them all.
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I'm keen on aussie properties too but no bullets..MOF is low at 70+%..need to have AUD 90k for AUD 300k property...difficult for now..

Reason to invest: to diversify from Malaysian properties..
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QUOTE(CheesePie @ May 13 2013, 05:56 PM)
Personally, I thought Fulton Lane's location is pretty good.

You have the Victoria market just beside it, offering cheap groceries. Cheaper than the two big supermarket chains, Safeway and Cole anyway.

Then you can easily get on the tram to go down to Swanston street, where there are a lot of happening going on.

Then again, these are just what I think and like about the place.
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there is a superbike shop in front of tower 2 doh.gif luckily the council there is quite strict of noise pollution

if in Malaysia sure rempit every nite and every weekend

they have another promo last month for this project... last i checked only 20% left in Tower 2.. Tower 1 sold out..

get some free electrical appliances + interest on the 10% deposit i believe...

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there is a superbike shop in front of tower 2 doh.gif luckily the council there is quite strict of noise pollution

if in Malaysia sure rempit every nite and every weekend

they have another promo last month for this project... last i checked only 20% left in Tower 2.. Tower 1 sold out..

get some free electrical appliances + interest on the 10% deposit i believe...
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Malaysian Buyers beware; dont get conned.

Melbourne apartments facing glut; some apartments are current selling at lower price than one / two years ago. moneyflies.gif cry.gif
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I Do have something in melbourne for sales care to find out more.
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Could only buy new ones a couple of years ago. Expensive.
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another tips for Aussie property.
Aussie FD rate about 4%, property loan about 5-6%
i think better to take loan from singapore banks as loan are like 2% in Singapore.
Yields seems good in aussie property? there's report there are properties shortage in places like Perth... not sure how true.
Non-PR can only purchase developer unit. there are some agents in Msia selling land+house so you can consider that.
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Are Australian apartments sold like in Malaysia? As in build first then sell or like here?

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Are Australian apartments sold like in Malaysia? As in build first then sell or like here?
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Aussie developers need to build and then sell..much safer compared to Malaysian way of doing things.. pay 10% to the vendors lawyer (take note, the money does not go to the developer) and balance 90% (either by cash/loan) only when property is completed.

so in the case the developer is unable to complete the property within the stimulated time given, the 10% is given back to you..


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QUOTE(ken1212 @ Apr 3 2013, 09:24 AM)
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Had been seeing many advertisement and agents promoting overseas property in UK, Canada and especially Australia.

Any sifu with tips or advice?
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Hi Ken1212,

I can share a little on investing into Australia property, basically most of our local investor is venturing into overseas property is mainly because of the local properties are over supply and is expecting the burst. Whereby, investing into country like australia, investor is looking at rental yield and also capital growth. When you are buying into australia property , aus currency is more stabilise as compare to ringgit. Hence, the money spent on investing into australia is more secure.

I am sharing based on my experience in selling australia properties.

Hope it helps!
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Aussie developers need to build and then sell..much safer compared to Malaysian way of doing things.. pay 10% to the vendors lawyer (take note, the money does not go to the developer) and balance 90% (either by cash/loan) only when property is completed.

so in the case the developer is unable to complete the property within the stimulated time given, the 10% is given back to you..
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Interested, please pm me, thanks.
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so it seems on 2013, ppl alrdy talking about buying property at australia. n now only is being a trend. so many ads about australia property.

guys, if we buy a property there, how to appoint agent to take care of our house? is it really can be trust?
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QUOTE(hanknives @ Apr 7 2015, 12:28 PM)
so it seems on 2013, ppl alrdy talking about buying property at australia. n now only is being a trend. so many ads about australia property.

guys, if we buy a property there, how to appoint agent to take care of our house? is it really can be trust?
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I also interested in Australia property but not very sure about the procedure. Also heard a lot of people kena con. If you have any update, kindly share. Thank you.
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if you are foreigner (meaning none citizen nor permanent resident), you can only buy newly built property (meaning no subsale).

you can appoint agent to take care of your house. in fact most properties in aus are handled by agents. They are good agents and some not so good agents but in general terms, they are acceptable, but they do charge service fee of 8.5% on your rental.
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but once you appointed agent, you are by law not allowed to any form or ways to deal with tenant directly..
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I also interested in Australia property but not very sure about the procedure. Also heard a lot of people kena con. If you have any update, kindly share. Thank you.
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u heard alot kena con? mind to share?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Apr 7 2015, 01:28 PM)
if you are foreigner (meaning none citizen nor permanent resident), you can only buy newly built property (meaning no subsale).

you can appoint agent to take care of your house. in fact most properties in aus are handled by agents. They are good agents and some not so good agents but in general terms, they are acceptable, but they do charge service fee of 8.5% on your rental.
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thanks for the share. by any chance, do u have any in melbourne?
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u heard alot kena con? mind to share?
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My friend bought a new house in Australia from a reputable singapore developer there. End up, i think the project abandoned or whatever reason (i did not find out more) and burn his deposits.

2nd case, another friend just listen to local agent here and told him this property how good how much is the ROI and location near to town. He bought and end up the house is located in a low class high crime area.

These are just a few cases of kena con in Australia property.


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Hi, from my understanding the 10% down payment is not transfer to developer. You have to transfer to lawyer firm trust account and its under ur own name. And the 10% will only transfer to developer once completed. Btw, I am referring to apartment in Aus. Not so sure about landed property though. For my opinion, i prefer Aus local developer instead of our Msia own local developer. As subsales only allow to sell to Aus citizen/PR. So better choose those developer that local familiar with.
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Australia is one of the very few countries that's not affected of Global Financial Crisis

Property is an excellent investment, and Australia has one of the world's most consistent property markets over the last 30 years.

Why buying an investment property in Australia ?

Australia is stable both economically and politically, which cultivates a peaceful and secure style of living. In addition, also it also have a well established legal and property buying system.

Real estate prices around Australia remained stable throughout the Global Financial Crisis (GFC).
Investment markets are regulated such that they are transparent and low risk in the Australian sector and there is high rental demand due to currently high property prices.

Foreign investors have higher posibilities to get the loan approved vs citizens, if document reasonable

Sensible investments in property have many attractions. Property can be less volatile than shares though not always, and it tends to be regarded as a safe haven when other assets are declining in value.

It has the potential to generate capital growth (an increase in the value of your asset) as well as rental income. Then there’s the tax advantages associated with negative gearing (more about that later), we will not be biased and only cover the beauty of Australia property climate but also will honestly sharing what are the fundamentals & things to look out for when investing in Australia.

In general most of u know things to look out for in investment in any part of the world:- in random order

1) Country Stability
2) Graphs (supply vs demand track, price appreciation over the years, current rental market in the proximity etc)
3) Developer track record & Commitment
4) Location location location (most importantly is market catalysts actually, how far is the nearest universities/colleges, how mny office buildings hw mny workers nearby, transportation? Shopping mall? How far frm cbd? All dis need to be taken into account!
5) Competitors nearby-Investors or buyers always neglect this, hv u heard ppl accidentally bought a 'so-called unblocked view of Klcc ' unit turns out when receive key the view is totally blocked by another 42 storey building ! Ie If theres only 1 offce building with 2,000 workers near yr property n there are 50 projects in 5km radius with 1,000 units each project to absorb, forget bout renting out
6) Design-nowadays are quite critical as more ppl couldnt stand eye-sore-ing ugly buildings anymore
7) Other market catalysts-any upcoming transportation or train station nearby,where does it connect to?ie -catalys no 1-mall coming up-price add 10%, catalyst no 2:train station come up price up 10%, catalyst no 3 new university come up-rental yield go up few % n so on so forth, n be careful of the word 'walking distance' it depends on how fast u can walk n how far can u walk !
8) Concept-izit mixed dvlpment or stand alone,if mixed does the mall or supermarket or office blocks downstairs/next door improve or deteriorate yr condo unit rental or subsale value

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Any expert here? I received email from Gamuda land. They have new project in melb. Worth buying?

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Better think twice if you buy something that is not really a cup of coffee by locals.
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Better think twice if you buy something that is not really a cup of coffee by locals.
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Asali, why local don't like those? hmm.gif My relative told me that south yarra is good area for investment. High end eh...I used to chill there during my student time. rclxm9.gif
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Hi.. I'm new to Melbourne properties. Which would be better - Melbourne CBD or suburban area if I am looking to invest?
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Hi.. I'm new to Melbourne properties. Which would be better - Melbourne CBD or suburban area if I am looking to invest?
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1) CBD got people rent and able to pay good rent --- when it is new.
2) australian PR/residence will buy from you (subsale) but not the price you buy, it got to be way lower.
3) Some bank doesn't loan CBD units at high margin because of over supply.
4) CBD actual yield is only 2% after guarantee period. the difference who pays ?
5) your unit can't resell to another foreigner buyer, e.g. your friend, your brother. It CAN only resale to PR or citizen.
6) suburban got lesser competition and may be better yield, but those opportunity available to PR only.. remember you as foreigner can only buy new but not from subsale market.
7) Melbourne CBD units (not house), price has been almost stagnant for over 5 to 7 years.
8) The best CURRENT investment in melbourne/sydney is to buy suburb freehold bungalow land near to CBD.. but foreigner can't buy.


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linkor,

my uncle bought cbd 2 years back...now making good profit. very tempting to go in.
Malaysia market also very shakey now. With the low aussie currency exchange and unstable Malaysia economy. that is why I select aussie. I looked at UK prop...now already 1Pound to RM6. how to invest oh... rclxub.gif

south yarra is not CBD wor...safer? but then pretty close to it. Good?
is 5% rental yield common in melb?
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I've paid booking fees for a project in Southbank, izit good location? not for flip but looking for long term and rental return. Any expert here can share some opinion? Thanks in advance smile.gif
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Agree, as a local, I wouldn't touch Melbourne now as its heading towards oversupply.
Similar to Malaysia at the moment, too many high rise apartments.

Malaysia is worse with government plans to build hundreds of thousands of affordable housing nationwide on top of all the private developers in Selangor, KL, JB, Penang, Ipoh etc

Sydney is still under supply for at least 3-5 years.

Reasons:
1) international and domestic migration to Sydney
2) we are currently shortage of 20,000 dwellings per year taken account of new and upcoming buildings.
3) height restriction rules in suburbia
4) low vacancy rate of less than 2.2%
5) international investors especially from China are snapping up the apartments and houses in Sydney
(Latest news is that cashed up Chinese investors bought the units and don't bother to rent out - locked up and achieved capital gain of 30-50% in 1-1.5 years.)
6) low interest rate environment. Cash rate of 2% will stay low till the end of 2016. Which means you can get a loan for as low as 4%.

Having said that, it is really expensive to get into Sydney market.
Average 3 bedroom existing house in Sydney (within 20 km radius) is already AUD$1m
Average 2br existing apartments (within 20km radius) is AUD$600-700k
Expect more for new dwellings.


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Very dilemma coz like what sapuking said... both Ringgit and Aussie are weak, that's why I also go for Aussie instead of Ringgit coz unstable government and direction. rclxub.gif

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linkor,

my uncle bought cbd 2 years back...now making good profit. very tempting to go in.
Malaysia market also very shakey now. With the low aussie currency exchange and unstable Malaysia economy. that is why I select aussie. I looked at UK prop...now already 1Pound to RM6. how to invest oh... rclxub.gif

south yarra is not CBD wor...safer? but then pretty close to it. Good?
is 5% rental yield common in melb?
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bought 2 years back ? already sold or renting out ? Still got GGR is it ? when got rental guarantee it is good, but when it is over, you will start to see the true color.

South yarra is not consider CBD.. as to my knowledge, 2~3% yield is about there those apartment..

5% yield have to go further inside.. like 20km from CBD


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QUOTE(linkor @ Aug 20 2015, 10:48 AM)
bought 2 years back  ? already sold or renting out ? Still got GGR is it ? when got rental guarantee it is good, but when it is over, you will start to see the true color.

South yarra is not consider CBD.. as to my knowledge, 2~3% yield is about there those apartment..

5% yield have to go further inside.. like 20km from CBD
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Linkor, If CBD area? southbank those? how many % return will be huh? Tq
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hi guys i need some advice for properties in australia.

my situation is like this, my sister is an australian citizen but renting a house, my family is thinking of buying her a house since she cannot afford to buy one on her own right now being that she is single and don't have a stable job just yet because her previous company went bust.

would myself and my dad (foreigners) buy the house together with my sister? hows the arrangement like?

my dad wants a little retirement spot at australia.
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If your family intends to buy a house, then it would be a good idea if you give her the cash and buy it @ 100%. If your dad and you get into the picture, it would get a little administrative. Unless you want to get a PR.

20km from CBD homes are very do-able as they cost, at today's RM exchange rates, rm950k for a 5 bedrooms, single story, 35 x70 with the kitchen thrown in.

I think it is well worth and would mean a better life for your family. Why spend RM900k for a house in M'sia when the cost of living in M'sia is near on par with Aust?

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QUOTE(SapuKing @ Jul 30 2015, 09:42 AM)
linkor,

my uncle bought cbd 2 years back...now making good profit. very tempting to go in.
Malaysia market also very shakey now. With the low aussie currency exchange and unstable Malaysia economy. that is why I select aussie. I looked at UK prop...now already 1Pound to RM6. how to invest oh... rclxub.gif

south yarra is not CBD wor...safer? but then pretty close to it. Good?
is 5% rental yield common in melb?
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South Yarra is prime area. A bit like MK in KL, with close distance to the central. But also got a lot of high rises going up as developers trying to compete. 5% is pretty common yield in Australia, especially with apartments. But you might need to factor in the expensive body corporate fees and council rates and water fees.
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QUOTE(zenix @ Aug 21 2015, 09:33 AM)
hi guys i need some advice for properties in australia.

my situation is like this, my sister is an australian citizen but renting a house, my family is thinking of buying her a house since she cannot afford to buy one on her own right now being that she is single and don't have a stable job just yet because her previous company went bust.

would myself and my dad (foreigners) buy the house together with my sister? hows the arrangement like?

my dad wants a little retirement spot at australia.
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Easiest option is your dad just "lend" her the cash and she go ahead and purchase the house with her name.

If your dad wants to be on the title, then need to talk to your banker, can still do but might need proof from your dad that he has a stable income and are able to pay the loan together.
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I've paid booking fees for a project in Southbank, izit good location? not for flip but looking for long term and rental return. Any expert here can share some opinion? Thanks in advance smile.gif
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Southbank... good rental, slow growth I guess. Probably looking at 12-15 years for 50% growth. Good rental though.
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Southbank... good rental, slow growth I guess. Probably looking at 12-15 years for 50% growth. Good rental though.
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southbank area is not small. make sure it is easy accessible with tram and have sunlight coming in coz aussie love sunlight
southbank popular with indon and prc
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QUOTE(wll6568 @ Aug 21 2015, 11:27 AM)
Easiest option is your dad just "lend" her the cash and she go ahead and purchase the house with her name.

If your dad wants to be on the title, then need to talk to your banker, can still do but might need proof from your dad that he has a stable income and are able to pay the loan together.
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complicated reason

1. my dad is nearing retirement i don't think he will be able to get a bank loan even with high salary
2. my sister doesn't have a job yet, surviving on dol and centerlink introductions until she gets a sable job she won't be able to get a loan.
3. which is why i am dragged into the picture rclxub.gif
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1. now is bad time to buy property in Australia. in Any city ! prefer to wait till mid next year to monitor the market. gov has been rolling out cooling measures
best yr to invest in australia was 2011, 2012, 2013,.. you could easily get 50% capital gain if you bought at those years.
2. Dont buy Apartment anymore. (condo in malaysia terminology). It has becoming over supply especially Melbourne. now even Sydney.
3. Sydney is the best city for investment. it has enough population to support the growth. but very expensive. Next on is Melbourne, apartment over supply, that's why still very cheap. Brisbane and Adelaide are bcoming popular, but only good for long term like 10 years of investment.
4. land house always is good investment choice esp in Sydney as the land becoming scarce.
i have just bought a land house near Sydney.

All the best

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QUOTE(plutology @ Aug 21 2015, 12:45 PM)
1. now is bad time to buy property in Australia. in Any city ! prefer to wait till mid next year to monitor the market. gov has been rolling out cooling measures
best yr to invest in australia was 2011, 2012, 2013,.. you could easily get 50% capital gain if you bought at those years.
2. Dont buy Apartment anymore. (condo in malaysia terminology). It has becoming over supply especially Melbourne. now even Sydney.
3. Sydney is the best city for investment. it has enough population to support the growth. but very expensive. Next on is Melbourne, apartment over supply, that's why still very cheap. Brisbane and Adelaide are bcoming popular, but only good for long term like 10 years of investment.
4. land house always is good investment choice esp in Sydney as the land becoming scarce.
i have just bought a land house near Sydney.

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what i can say is the growth value of apartment is very slow. eg. you bought at $500k and if you lucky enough, 5 years later would be around $600k and thats around CBD area. buy to rent out is the best bet.
landed is different story though

sydney and melbourne not far away so im kinda disagree that sydney is the best city for investment. transportation in sydney is not convenient as melbourne and melbourne has been voted as best city in the world again.

as long as international students are still there and increasing, you shouldn't be worried about rental part
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Southbank... good rental, slow growth I guess. Probably looking at 12-15 years for 50% growth. Good rental though.
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Thank you so much. Yea... I actually plan to keep it for at least 8-10 years and the unit completion only 2018. looking for rental actually. smile.gif
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southbank area is not small. make sure it is easy accessible with tram and have sunlight coming in coz aussie love sunlight
southbank popular with indon and prc
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Have you heard bout "nation rental affordability scheme" ? coz the unit that I book, the salesperson told me that their project come with this scheme is good for investor that buy for rental return, and not many project entitle this scheme, she said only 30 projects entitle in melbourne.
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QUOTE(zenix @ Aug 21 2015, 11:51 AM)
complicated reason

1. my dad is nearing retirement i don't think he will be able to get a bank loan even with high salary
2. my sister doesn't have a job yet, surviving on dol and centerlink introductions until she gets a sable job she won't be able to get a loan.
3. which is why i am dragged into the picture  rclxub.gif
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Then as I said, easiest is just hand her the cash so she could buy with cash lor. Easy, no loan.
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Thank you so much. Yea... I actually plan to keep it for at least 8-10 years and the unit completion only 2018. looking for rental actually. smile.gif
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Which block you buying? Inner city apartments will always have no worries to rent out. Aus apartment projects are very small scale comparing to KL projects. Usually a new project only have like 200, 300 units, whereas in KL tends to have like thousands.... So the supply side, I think cbd is never enough, cuz Aus has very bad infrastructure, no MRT, only relies on train and tram (lucky for melb). So people still like to live as close to cbd as possible as that's where the life is. But growth wise, it's a lot slower as aussies tend to live in low density suburbs, so they feel scared and try not to buy in highly densed area. But I think that will change slowly.
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Have you heard bout "nation rental affordability scheme" ? coz the unit that I book, the salesperson told me that their project come with this scheme is good for investor that buy for rental return, and not many project entitle this scheme, she said only 30 projects entitle in melbourne.
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not that i heard of but simple google bring me to this http://www.housing.vic.gov.au/national-ren...dability-scheme

note that this is for victoria only as other states also have this scheme but different rules.

i believe this only applies to PR and citizen so im not sure international student available for this scheme. there's also household income limit(from $47k pa) to be eligible which i think those people who afford to rent a property in southbank earning more than that. also, u have to provide many documents to apply which i think many people will skip it. it's just renting so is not worth the hassle. might as well look for other property with cheap rental

https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/...s_factsheet.pdf

i always heard about salesman trying to boast "rare scheme" but actually just useless.
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QUOTE(wll6568 @ Aug 21 2015, 03:29 PM)
Which block you buying? Inner city apartments will always have no worries to rent out. Aus apartment projects are very small scale comparing to KL projects. Usually a new project only have like 200, 300 units, whereas in KL tends to have like thousands.... So the supply side, I think cbd is never enough, cuz Aus has very bad infrastructure, no MRT, only relies on train and tram (lucky for melb). So people still like to live as close to cbd as possible as that's where the life is. But growth wise, it's a lot slower as aussies tend to live in low density suburbs, so they feel scared and try not to buy in highly densed area. But I think that will change slowly.
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people who live closely to CBD is either international students or expats.
locals will stay suburb where they can drive their car to nearest train station and take train. no issue with parking in train station though. they don mind to travel 1 hour by train to workplace as long as they are far from the city to enjoy the greenery

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1. now is bad time to buy property in Australia. in Any city ! prefer to wait till mid next year to monitor the market. gov has been rolling out cooling measures
best yr to invest in australia was 2011, 2012, 2013,.. you could easily get 50% capital gain if you bought at those years.
2. Dont buy Apartment anymore. (condo in malaysia terminology). It has becoming over supply especially Melbourne. now even Sydney.
3. Sydney is the best city for investment. it has enough population to support the growth. but very expensive. Next on is Melbourne, apartment over supply, that's why still very cheap. Brisbane and Adelaide are bcoming popular, but only good for long term like 10 years of investment.
4. land house always is good investment choice esp in Sydney as the land becoming scarce.
i have just bought a land house near Sydney.

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1. I disagree with the first point. LOL. Aus market is quite big, it's not as simple as one market like in Malaysia. These days, each city got its own cycle and at the moment, mining boom has faded, so all money now returns back to the east coast, namely Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Adelaide (little bit). So Perth and Darwin are actually going down now. If you wanna bet, I think now it's a good time to buy in Perth and Darwin.

2. Apartments in aus tend to grow a lot slower, unless it's in highly sorted areas like Sydney CBD, Melbourne Glen Waverley, etc. I knew someone bought off the plan in Glen Waverley for $500k and sold for $750K in completion.

3. Sydney is good as it's got big population base and lots of hot money coming in, but people have been saying it might not be sustainable with that kind of growth rate. Imagine you bought an apartment at 550k last year and now it's worth $700k. That's bubble?

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people who live closely to CBD is either international students or expats.
locals will stay suburb where they can drive their car to nearest train station and take train. no issue with parking in train station though. they don mind to travel 1 hour by train to workplace as long as they are far from the city to enjoy the greenery
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I think that's one of the myst most aussies have, thinking that nobody would wanna live in those apartments. You would be surprised by how many aussie professionals actually applied my apartment in the cbd. lol And yeah, they are professional, like really well paid job.
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I think that's one of the myst most aussies have, thinking that nobody would wanna live in those apartments. You would be surprised by how many aussie professionals actually applied my apartment in the cbd. lol And yeah, they are professional, like really well paid job.
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mostly expats or high ranking. and yeah, u dont have to worry that no one will live in the apartments
mind to tell me where in southbank?
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Then as I said, easiest is just hand her the cash so she could buy with cash lor. Easy, no loan.
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QUOTE(wll6568 @ Aug 21 2015, 03:29 PM)
Which block you buying? Inner city apartments will always have no worries to rent out. Aus apartment projects are very small scale comparing to KL projects. Usually a new project only have like 200, 300 units, whereas in KL tends to have like thousands.... So the supply side, I think cbd is never enough, cuz Aus has very bad infrastructure, no MRT, only relies on train and tram (lucky for melb). So people still like to live as close to cbd as possible as that's where the life is. But growth wise, it's a lot slower as aussies tend to live in low density suburbs, so they feel scared and try not to buy in highly densed area. But I think that will change slowly.
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Regent square Southbank. Along cityroad, 1.1km distance to flinders station...I'm getting a carpark too, hopefully it's a good choice. blush.gif
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not that i heard of but simple google bring me to this http://www.housing.vic.gov.au/national-ren...dability-scheme

note that this is for victoria only as other states also have this scheme but different rules.

i believe this only applies to PR and citizen so im not sure international student available for this scheme. there's also household income limit(from $47k pa) to be eligible which i think those people who afford to rent a property in southbank earning more than that. also, u have to provide many documents to apply which i think many people will skip it. it's just renting so is not worth the hassle. might as well look for other property with cheap rental

https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/...s_factsheet.pdf

i always heard about salesman trying to boast "rare scheme" but actually just useless.
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hmmm ... I actually tot that this scheme might be able to help me to rent out my unit easier than other.. just incase by the time 2018 project completed market over there will be slight oversupply... blink.gif
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QUOTE(SYYMY @ Aug 21 2015, 06:15 PM)
Regent square Southbank. Along cityroad, 1.1km distance to flinders station...I'm getting a carpark too, hopefully it's a good choice.  blush.gif
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location nto bad and i believe the tram stop is just across the street along city and bridge st. maybe about 5-10 minuts walking. not sure how noisy it is because there is a freeway(highway) around

QUOTE(SYYMY @ Aug 21 2015, 06:19 PM)
hmmm ... I actually tot that this scheme might be able to help me to rent out my unit easier than other.. just incase by the time 2018 project completed market over there will be slight oversupply...  blink.gif
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dont worry about oversupply but u have to worry about job market more.
also hope international students are not saturated too
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location nto bad and i believe the tram stop is just across the street along city and bridge st. maybe about 5-10 minuts walking. not sure how noisy it is because there is a freeway(highway) around
dont worry about oversupply but u have to worry about job market more.
also hope international students are not saturated too
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Have you heard bout "nation rental affordability scheme" ? coz the unit that I book, the salesperson told me that their project come with this scheme is good for investor that buy for rental return, and not many project entitle this scheme, she said only 30 projects entitle in melbourne.
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Hi....i am thinking of investing in Melbourne properties as well.

What's the process that you went through? Like bank loans, etc.
Did you buy apartment or landed property?
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Hi....i am thinking of investing in Melbourne properties as well.

What's the process that you went through?  Like bank loans, etc.
Did you buy apartment or landed property?
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Apartment. They are mainly built and sell, pay 10% when you sign agreement, balance pay only when completion. I plan to take Aus bank loan. landed not so close to CBD I think...
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Apartment. They are mainly built and sell, pay 10% when you sign agreement, balance pay only when completion. I plan to take Aus bank loan. landed not so close to CBD I think...
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I am still contemplating on this.

Problem with buying apartment is you are actually paying a premium of 15% over market value as a foreign buyer. Further the price of apartments in the CBD may deflate due to oversupply. Most locals will not buy CBD properties at inflated prices.

However, landed property may have a better prospect of capital gain.
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I am still contemplating on this.

Problem with buying apartment is you are actually paying a premium of 15% over market value as a foreign buyer. Further the price of apartments in the CBD may deflate due to oversupply. Most locals will not buy CBD properties at inflated prices.

However, landed property may have a better prospect of capital gain.
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If cbd property is of good value, will be snapped by locals, developers need not spend $$$ to promote in overseas.

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Getting bank loan for offshore properties from local bank like Maybank is much safer bet.

But anz and westpac interest rate is 3.99% compare to MAYBANK's 4.85%.

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I got a friend unit to let go for "the Carlson" inside Melbourne CBD. La trobe Street, nearby rmit.
To get keys by Nov 2015.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 5 2015, 01:52 PM)
I am still contemplating on this.

Problem with buying apartment is you are actually paying a premium of 15% over market value as a foreign buyer. Further the price of apartments in the CBD may deflate due to oversupply. Most locals will not buy CBD properties at inflated prices.

However, landed property may have a better prospect of capital gain.
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I planned to hold for long, rental purpose. Completion 2018 and just imagine AUD vs Ringgit in 10 years times... Hmmm I choose AUD. not sure if it's good move but rental wise should be CBD easier to get tenant?
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I got a friend unit to let go for "the Carlson"  inside Melbourne  CBD. La trobe Street, nearby rmit. 
To get keys by Nov 2015.
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Thought only Aussie citizen and pr are eligible to buy subsell?
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Thought only Aussie citizen and pr are eligible to buy subsell?
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Heard that if the unit still during construction can still sell to foreigner, as long as before complete.
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Can sell during construction?
How to justify the value?
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QUOTE(SYYMY @ Sep 5 2015, 06:13 PM)
I planned to hold for long, rental purpose. Completion 2018 and just imagine AUD vs Ringgit in 10 years times... Hmmm I choose AUD. not sure if it's good move but rental wise should be CBD easier to get tenant?
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Yes.
Plus side is should be easer to get tenants. However, at the rate they are building, don't know how long this can last!
When there are too many, the rents will fall. It will be the tenants' market to choose.
I read rents are already falling
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Yes.
Plus side is should be easer to get tenants. However, at the rate they are building, don't know how long this can last!
When there are too many, the rents will fall. It will be the tenants' market to choose.
I read rents are already falling
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I look at Sydney, similar size with Melbourne at CBD area already go for AUD 800k plus... that's really so much higher than melbourne and perth. Perth is slightly cheaper than Melbourne but it's much quiet too... at the end I go for melbourne unit. But recently I see so many project selling in Malaysia near st kilda or south yarra, many of them and pricing similar CBD area, maybe slightly cheaper around AUD30k - 50k... I wonder when all complete do that area really got so much rental demand? because these area although near CBD but do need to drive around 10 minutes - 15 minutes to the city, can't by walking blush.gif .

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QUOTE(SYYMY @ Sep 6 2015, 07:16 PM)
I look at Sydney, similar size with Melbourne at CBD area already go for AUD 800k plus... that's really so much higher than melbourne and perth. Perth is slightly cheaper than Melbourne but it's much quiet too... at the end I go for melbourne unit. But recently I see so many project selling in Malaysia near st kilda or south yarra, many of them and pricing similar CBD area, maybe slightly cheaper around AUD30k - 50k... I wonder when all complete do that area really got so much rental demand? because these area although near CBD but do need to drive around 10 minutes - 15 minutes to the city, can't by walking blush.gif .
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That's the worry. Over production.
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That's the worry. Over production.
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Walking distance within CBD area I think should be able to rent out?
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Hi everyone, I'm a property investment consultant in Australia, particularly in Melbourne as I'm based there. Please PM me for anyone who is interested to know more about property investment in Australia. Or I can share my 2 cents here if the topic is not too broad.
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how about market in perth..looking for hse/apt near christchurch school..
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Walking distance within CBD area I think should be able to rent out?
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The main worry is that there is over supply whereby you may even find difficulty in renting out at good prices.

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The main worry is that there is over supply whereby you may even find difficulty in renting out at good prices.
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Please everybody be VERY , VERY careful when you want to buy Australia property. Don’t be fool with those stories of people making tons of $$$ over there. There are lots of traps and if you kena one of those, regret also no use lah.
Especially if you buy off the plan. Don’t be fooled with the 10% payment only now and balance on completion . No so easy for you to win one.
Heard of sunset clause in the S&P agreement? This one is a killer, - if heads the developer win and if tails you lose.
When value of property zoom up, developer can rescind the contract with all sorts of excuses and if property value half dead , then you end holding the baby.

Yes if you have gone in before 2011 - make good $ and also worth the effort after deducting tax etc etc.

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Please everybody be VERY , VERY careful when you want to buy Australia property.  Don’t be fool with those stories of people making tons of $$$ over there.  There are lots of traps and if you kena one of those, regret also no use lah.
Especially if you buy off the plan.  Don’t be fooled with the 10% payment only now and balance on completion .  No so easy for you to win one.
Heard of sunset clause in the S&P  agreement?  This one is a killer, - if heads the developer win and if tails you lose.
When value of property zoom up, developer can rescind the contract with all sorts of excuses and if property value half dead , then you end holding the baby. 

Yes if you have gone in before 2011 -  make good $ and also worth the effort after deducting tax etc etc.
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What is sunset clause??
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Eco World International's maiden Sydney project is 90% reserved

Theedgeproperty.com | September 11, 2015

SYDNEY (Sept 11): Eco World International’s maiden residential project in Sydney, Australia -- West Village -- is already 90% reserved before the official launch of the project.

Previews were organised in June and July in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Indonesia, China and Hong Kong. The remaining 10% have been kept for the official launch which is slated for end of September, although the exact date has not been finalised yet.

Deputy chairman of Eco World International Tan Sri Liew Kee Sin, who gave the welcome address at the opening of EcoWorld Gallery@West Village in Parramatta in Sydney today, is happy with the performance of West Village and believes the project has much to offer.

“We are delighted to debut the Eco World brand in Australia with such a strong project located in Parramatta, the fastest growing CBD and No 1 Investors’ hotspot in Australia," said Liew.

Also present at the opening were Eco World International president and CEO Datuk Teow Leong Seng, CEO of Eco World Sydney Development Pty Ltd Yap Foo Leong, and guest of honour Lord Mayor of Parramatta, Scott Lloyd.

West Village is sited on an approximate one acre plot at the corner of Church Street and Parkes Street in Parramatta. It has a gross development value of A$300 million (RM910 million) and will offer 397 units of 1, 2 and 3-bedroom apartments starting from 50 sq m. They are selling from A$11,000 per sq m. The units are spread across a 40-storey residential tower and a seven-storey podium portion. On the ground level, there will be 1,300 sq m of retail space for F&B outlets to cater to the residents in the development.

According to Yap, Parramatta is centrally located within New South Wales and the only way for Sydney to expand is to the west as the city is by the coast.

Moreover, he adds that Parramatta has all the amenities such as a train station, which takes you to Sydney CBD in 30 minutes, universities such as Western Sydney and University of New England, medical facilities and the largest shopping mall in the southern hemisphere Westfield Parramatta Shopping Centre.

Teow revealed that West Village’s buyers are a mix of international and local investors. He also said that the land was purchased for A$43 million in June 2014.

West Village will commence construction in 2Q2016 and is scheduled to be completed in three years. Internationally recognised architecture firm Wood Bagot will be designing the building and the green areas will be landscaped by celebrity landscape designer Myles Baldwin.

West Village's facilities include a rooftop terrace that will feature a chef’s kitchen and lounge. Atop the podium section will be a landscaped garden. Other facilities are a private piano room and the first indoor driving range golf simulator in Western Sydney that allows golfers to play the top 20 courses in the world.
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QUOTE(sgchan90 @ Sep 10 2015, 08:55 AM)
Please everybody be VERY , VERY careful when you want to buy Australia property.  Don’t be fool with those stories of people making tons of $$$ over there.  There are lots of traps and if you kena one of those, regret also no use lah.
Especially if you buy off the plan.  Don’t be fooled with the 10% payment only now and balance on completion .  No so easy for you to win one.
Heard of sunset clause in the S&P  agreement?  This one is a killer, - if heads the developer win and if tails you lose.
When value of property zoom up, developer can rescind the contract with all sorts of excuses and if property value half dead , then you end holding the baby. 

Yes if you have gone in before 2011 -  make good $ and also worth the effort after deducting tax etc etc.
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i agree with this one.

Seems a one sided contract. Some developers are very sneaky. Its a wonder the Aus laws allow this one sided clause. There seem to be NO penalties for late delivery. All the developers have to do is delay handover and the sunset clause is effected.

Problem is this, foreigners seem to have NO choice but to buy off the plans?
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is this happen often in Australia? I mean if developer often do this then their name should be affected too right?
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is this happen often in Australia? I mean if developer often do this then their name should be affected too right?
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Off-the-plan buyers better protected under proposed reforms

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The first option would to imply a term in all off-the-plan contracts, only allowing the purchaser to rescind.

Mr Dominello said the second option would be to imply a term whereby if the vendor cancels a contract under a sunset clause and then resells the unit within a certain period of time, then the purchaser is entitled to damages equal to the difference on sale price between the two contracts.

“There is significant concern about the way sunset clauses are being used to rescind off-the-plan contracts,” Mr Dominello​ said.

“Purchasing a property is a life-changing decision, and we need to ensure consumers are protected against exploitative practices,” he said.
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News just came out on Sep 2015



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4 Nov - Chinese demand for Australian property waning: Credit Suisse
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy...103-gkq562.html

16 Nov - Will there be an Australian property crash?
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/will-ther...-025158867.html

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I gt a relative who bought 2 units in Australia 108(melbourne)..any risk they exposed to?As i m just their ordinary relative, they wont show me all doc to look into la. Any idea on the said project? They told me is quite near to crown casino.
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I booked one unit 62sqm at AUD465k w/o carpark or i can pay 510k including 1 carpark, 1.2km from flinder street station. But many agents from Malaysia told me it's expensive and they intro me something at st.kilda or similar location. I check on google map that these places they offer unable to walk to CBD, need drive around 15mins... and pricing they offer cheaper around AUD35k+- .. Im so confuse. Any tai gor here can share some knowledge teach har newbie
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QUOTE(SYYMY @ Dec 14 2015, 03:44 PM)
I booked one unit 62sqm at AUD465k w/o carpark or i can pay 510k including 1 carpark, 1.2km from flinder street station. But many agents from Malaysia told me it's expensive and they intro me something at st.kilda or similar location. I check on google map that these places they offer unable to walk to CBD, need drive around 15mins... and pricing they offer cheaper around AUD35k+- .. Im so confuse. Any tai gor here can share some knowledge teach har newbie
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Permenant residence (PR) gets to buy foreign investor's auction unit at much lower price. those product is not available to foreigner like you or me.
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Permenant residence (PR) gets to buy foreign investor's auction unit at much lower price. those product is not available to foreigner like you or me.
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Ya I know, I booked one is new project fm developer. Those agents offered also new project.
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Ya I know, I booked one is new project fm developer. Those agents offered also new project.
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You knew and still bought it then nothing to complaint lor, there are sooooo many projects in Melbourne and Sydney that only to attracts foreigners.
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You knew and still bought it then nothing to complaint lor,  there are sooooo many projects in Melbourne and Sydney that only to attracts foreigners.
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Nah.. I'm not complaining about many up coming projects, it's everywhere got new projects even kl is same. I'm actually wonder if I should get walking distance to CBD or cheaper unit away fm CBD more than 10-15km. Doing quite some property investments in Malaysia d, anyhow need to start somewhere in overseas...think now better than later lor...
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QUOTE(SYYMY @ Dec 14 2015, 06:32 PM)
Nah.. I'm not complaining about many up coming projects, it's everywhere got new projects even kl is same. I'm actually wonder if I should get walking distance to CBD or cheaper unit away fm CBD more than 10-15km. Doing quite some property investments in Malaysia d, anyhow need to start somewhere in overseas...think now better than later lor...
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I see, my friend at Melbourne once said :- "if you die die want to buy Melbourne, buy those where local people will buy from you. those good suburb like southbank, toorak, good school area. Avoid CBD, even banks doesn't like financing CBD props."

Hope this helps
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QUOTE(SYYMY @ Dec 14 2015, 06:32 PM)
Nah.. I'm not complaining about many up coming projects, it's everywhere got new projects even kl is same. I'm actually wonder if I should get walking distance to CBD or cheaper unit away fm CBD more than 10-15km. Doing quite some property investments in Malaysia d, anyhow need to start somewhere in overseas...think now better than later lor...
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I see, my friend at Melbourne once said :- "if you die die want to buy Melbourne, buy those where local people will buy from you. those good suburb like southbank, toorak, good school area. Avoid CBD, even banks doesn't like financing CBD props."

Hope this helps
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QUOTE(linkor @ Dec 14 2015, 06:35 PM)
I see, my friend at Melbourne once said :- "if you die die want to buy Melbourne, buy those where local people will buy from you. those good suburb like southbank, toorak, good school area. Avoid CBD, even banks doesn't like financing CBD props." 

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Lol.... Thx bro linkor, I booked southbank
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My advise is go for landed property.
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Southbank is already considered as part of the Melbourne CBD. Current valuation for CBD and Southbank projects drop more than 10% and on top of it, Australia banks only finance up to 70%.

For those who bought Australia 108, prepare more cash for settlement as my friend in Westpac and NAB already told me that although it's not built yet, the expected valuation already dropped more than 5%.

Just remember, when buying a unit (apartment) in Melbourne, make sure your unit internal size is bigger than 500 sqft (or around 48 square meter) to avoid valuation drop. Banks are getting tighter in giving higher % of loan.

Please PM me should you need more information on Australia property investment.

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SP Setia proposes to redevelop the 5th Melbourne land, at 308 Exhibition Street, into two residential towers comprising up to 800 residential units with a retail podium space.

The development is slated to be launched in the second half of next year.

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Found these links in the internet...

http://www.afr.com/business/banking-and-fi...20160508-gop6n1
http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2016/05/09...lication-fraud/

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/b...504-gomnni.html

I guess many will get caught with 60-70% loan instead of 80%.
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Anyone bought from jalin reality those Melbourne property?
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Better to target the local demand as the properties can only be sold to locals/pr. Good suburbs with good connectivies and schools. Far far away from China man investment would be a good move. Haha..
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I found that their projects generally higher than market value.

Which one u plan to buy?
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Yes. 70% also not easy to get now.
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Yes. 70% also not easy to get now.
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Most Australian banks do not want to lend to foreigners at all already ..for those who bought better start looking for financing now..another ways is to get bank from Malaysia/Singapore to finance your purchase...

It's really a serious issue...
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Not really.

Please check with the latest news

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QUOTE(investor01 @ May 30 2016, 06:51 AM)
Most Australian banks do not want to lend to foreigners at all already ..for those who bought better start looking for financing now..another  ways is to get bank from Malaysia/Singapore to finance your purchase...

It's really a serious issue...
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Mine is worst. Get 80% loan from NAB and loan agreement signed. When VP settlement last minute NAB revoke the agreement and refuse to disburse the loan.. Lastly only get 50% loan from others bank but Developer already charge late interest on me and I need to fork out another 30% to settle the differential sum.
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QUOTE(Kicimiao66cc @ May 30 2016, 10:14 AM)
Mine is worst. Get 80% loan from NAB and loan agreement signed. When VP settlement last minute NAB revoke the agreement and refuse to disburse the loan.. Lastly only get 50% loan from others bank but Developer already charge late interest on me and I need to fork out another 30% to settle the differential sum.
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one of a major issue with Australia banks. they change policy very frequently.


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one of a major issue with Australia banks. they change policy very frequently.
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The banker told me the reason to revoke is due to NAB found too many fraud loan documents from China. Then all the yellow skin kena also.. Sign
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The banker told me the reason to revoke is due to NAB found too many fraud loan documents from China. Then all the yellow skin kena also.. Sign
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but good for you able to pay the 50%, and stamd duty.


what and where did you bought?
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but good for you able to pay the 50%, and stamd duty.
what and where did you bought?
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It's C ompletely effecting my reserved fund. I bought in Victoria St. Melbourne. 2 rooms apartment.
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It's C ompletely effecting my reserved fund. I bought in Victoria St. Melbourne. 2 rooms apartment.
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OMG you bought apartment.
i hope this is ur long term investment.
how much stamp duty u paid? 3% or 8%?

looking for landed now.
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Does this apply to foreign investors? Otherwise, makes no difference to me..
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Does this apply to foreign investors? Otherwise, makes no difference to me..
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IT IS mean to apply to foreign investors bro.
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IT IS mean to apply to foreign investors bro.
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Will be nice if it is. But its not:

Westpac's decision to stop lending to foreign property buyers may have also influenced the move to relax LVR restrictions, Mr Dargan said. Last month the bank took the surprise move to halt lending to non-residents and temporary visa holders buying Australian property, and said it would require locals with overseas incomes to stump up bigger deposits.
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Will be nice if it is. But its not:

Westpac's decision to stop lending to foreign property buyers may have also influenced the move to relax LVR restrictions, Mr Dargan said. Last month the bank took the surprise move to halt lending to non-residents and temporary visa holders buying Australian property, and said it would require locals with overseas incomes to stump up bigger deposits.
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sorry bro, info given by agent.
will check with her later.

sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

if then, i have to hold on australia property for now.

by the way it's all about the settlement time,not the time that you pay booking or sign contract.

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QUOTE(kitkat @ May 30 2016, 07:18 PM)
sorry bro, info given by agent.
will check with her later.

sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif

if then, i have to hold on australia property for now.

by the way it's all about the settlement time,not the time that you pay booking or sign contract.
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No worries, yes settlement time. But who knows the bank policy in the future right? Haha. But they are other options like non banks or overseas banks (ie take loan from malaysia/singapore). Many people do that cause easier to do business with their local banks...
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OMG you bought apartment.
i hope this is ur long term investment.
how much stamp duty u paid? 3% or 8%?

looking for landed now.
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What kind of stamp duty?
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What kind of stamp duty?
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like malaysia property spa stamp duty.

when you bought ur apartment? i mean contract signed.

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like malaysia property spa stamp duty.

when you bought ur apartment? i mean contract signed.
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No wor.. Don't realize got that charges. Maybe they absorb already?
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No wor.. Don't realize got that charges. Maybe they absorb already?
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maybe, about when u signed the contract? if one year ago maybe.

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maybe, about when u signed the contract? if one year ago maybe.
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if more than a year only 3 %, likely developer "absorbed".

but i am sure you know eventually you are the one who paid for it. LPPL.
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I am interested to explore into overseas property such as Australia or NZ.
Had been seeing many advertisement and agents promoting overseas property in UK, Canada and especially Australia.

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HI Ken,

Have you considered buying at Melbourne.?
Its been voted as the most livable city in the world by Economist Intelligence Units for 5 consecutive years.
Malaysian are also one of the highest buyers of properties in Australia compared to other nationals.

The state of Victoria ( where Melbourne is located) is going to increase the foreign purchaser levy from 3% last year to 7% starting from 1st July 2016.

Since Melbourne properties are very popular amongst local and international buyers (due to high rental yields), many are rushing to buy.

what is your opinion on this?

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Off-the-plan buyers of Australian apartments are in crisis as tough new borrowing rules mean thousands of investors who have paid a deposit are struggling to complete their purchases, according to local and overseas mortgage brokers and financiers.
Shanghai-based financiers claim their Chinese clients' funding from Australian banks has been frozen and they face foreclosure - or usurious interest rates - from private financiers.
Australian financiers claim their local clients, many of them Asian, have had their settlements deferred by three months to find alternative funding.
"All the deals have been frozen," said Mark Yin, an agent with Shanghai-based Home Tree Group, about his Shanghai clients' funding with Australian banks.
"We are now looking for finance all over the world."
Mr Yin said this represented nearly 100 per cent of his clients who were waiting for properties to be completed in Australia and that most of the apartments were in the Melbourne CBD.
D-day looming
Melbourne-based Marshall Condon, chief executive of mortgage broker Neue Black and who also has off-shore and local Asian investors, added: "In the next three to 12 months, investors will begin to get more concerned because that is when many will be applying for funding to complete their deals and funding is limited."
Billions of dollars has been invested in tens-of-thousands of high-rise apartments that are reshaping the skylines of the nation's major capitals, particularly Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane.
Most have been sold off-the-plan, which means purchasers buy off the blueprint with a deposit and complete when it is built, which requires a second valuation and financing commitment by the lender.
But a huge increase in supply has slowed demand, particularly around Melbourne's CBD, pushing down prices.
Lenders, which initially fell over themselves to finance overseas' buyers, slammed on the breaks when spot checks on the loan applications detected widespread fraud.
The main problem is mainland Chinese buyers, which account for about half of the deals. That means many local lenders that agreed to provide funding when buyers made deposits, will not recommit upon completion.
Nervous local lenders fear that a sharp downturn, or change of sentiment, could result in foreclosures with overseas borrowers they have little chance of locating.
Mortgage brokers, who receive their commissions upon final completion, are nervous they will not be paid for negotiating deals and financing.
Rescue packages
Developers, some of whom have already cancelled projects, are concerned about financing existing and future projects.
It also has potentially big economic impact for local consumer sentiment, building services and government revenues.
Overseas financiers, typically based in Singapore and Malaysia, are working on rescue packages for borrowers by creating private bail-out funds, or buying apartments off stressed purchases, which means they lose their deposit.
They include rolling five-year terms, starting at 7.5 per cent, or one-year emergency loans at 12 per cent, according to financiers.
Other packages are stepped-loans where the different amounts of the loan have different rates, invariably several times higher than Australian lenders' standard variable or fixed rate loans.
For example, Australian banks and other local lenders are offering three-year fixed rates at below 4 per cent.
Home Tree Group's Mr Yin said so far he was unable to secure funding for his clients and doubted they would be able to settle.
"I have now stopped dealing in Australian property," he said.
Another agent in Shanghai, the chief executives of Iron Fish China Lanny Xu, said while most of his clients were not affected by the change, around 20 per cent were trying to on-sell apartments as they were unable to complete settlement.
He said of some were looking to banks in Singapore for financing, as they were still happy to extend loans over Australian property.
"The cost of funding in Singapore is higher than in Australia," he said.
'Starting to bite'
Mr Xu said another option was to seek finance from newly established mortgage funds, which were looking to fill the gap left by the withdrawal of Australian banks from the market.
He said such funds were charging interest rates of between 8 per cent and 12 per cent.
Scott Kirchner, the manager of Bella Resident in China, said the inability of offshore buyers to access finance was "really starting to bite".
"We are reluctant to take on new clients unless they have 100 per cent of the cash for a property," he said.
"But then there's the issue of how do they get the money out of China."
Under China's strict capital controls individuals can only transfer $US50,000 out of the country each year. At the same time, mainland banks have tightened up on the many loopholes which previously allowed individuals to get around this quota.
Mr Kirchner said while there was still strong demand for Australian property from Chinese buyers, many were waiting to see how apartment valuations were affected by the tighter lending environment.

From AFR 25/07/16
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Prices of properties in sydney and melbourne expect to drop 1-2% within the next 3 years.
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Prices expected to increase...
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There are always two very different school of thoughts. living in Australia myself, i can get news that property prices have crashed one day, and then the next day, an article that has stats on property prices showing increase. its how you see it and specific areas i guess.

IMHO as long as you are investing in the right area and right property, it should be relatively good. (then again, this is the rule for all investment, isn't it?).

Bought a place in Sydney when it was at it's "peak" mid last year, before so called property prices "crashed" or "cooled" (depending on which report you read). Latest valuation report of my place showed an increase of 10%.

I still think there are room for property prices to increase. May not be as crazy as the rates seen in the last 5 years, but still better than letting your cash sit in the bank with such low int rates now.

Interested to know any sifus' thoughts on Melb property tho (esp for investment)?
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There are always two very different school of thoughts. living in Australia myself, i can get news that property prices have crashed one day, and then the next day, an article that has stats on property prices showing increase. its how you see it and specific areas i guess.

IMHO as long as you are investing in the right area and right property, it should be relatively good. (then again, this is the rule for all investment, isn't it?).

Bought a place in Sydney when it was at it's "peak" mid last year, before so called property prices "crashed" or "cooled" (depending on which report you read). Latest valuation report of my place showed an increase of 10%.

I still think there are room for property prices to increase. May not be as crazy as the rates seen in the last 5 years, but still better than letting your cash sit in the bank with such low int rates now.

Interested to know any sifus' thoughts on Melb property tho (esp for investment)?
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Definitely not a Sifu but from what the agents are telling me it's been difficult to sell or rent out a property recently...plus there is a large increase in foreign buyers unable to settle according to some reports..

Agree on the inconsistency of reports though..some say going up, some say it's crashing down...haha..

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Definitely not a Sifu but from what the agents are telling me it's been difficult to sell or rent out a property recently...plus there is a large increase in foreign buyers unable to settle according to some reports..

Agree on the inconsistency of reports though..some say going up, some say it's crashing down...haha..
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There are alot of "super tower" apartment, something which the local aussies are not to keen on. But if you look at the basic apartment (i.e. medium density), should still be ok no?

Let's see how it the market goes! smile.gif

But with the current low interest rates, investment in prop seems even more attractive...
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Hi. Anyone has any idea about the cost of engaging service of tax agent in Australia to do registeration of new tax file in Australia n cost of doing annual tax return? I bought a small unit in Queens Place project. I kind of regret it but too late now. Consider it as parking money in overseas. Any sifus have experience dealing with tax agents? I work n live in Malaysia but my Australia lawyer that handle sales contract advised me to open tax file as soon as possible.
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QUOTE(Chat-huant @ Aug 27 2016, 11:35 PM)
Hi. Anyone has any idea about the cost of engaging service of tax agent in Australia to do registeration of new tax file in Australia n cost of doing annual tax return? I bought a small unit in Queens Place project. I kind of regret it but too late now. Consider it as parking money in overseas. Any sifus have experience dealing with tax agents? I work n live in Malaysia but my Australia lawyer that handle sales contract advised me to open tax file as soon as possible.
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Rich man spotted.

showtime747 has properties in Australia, he can advise.

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Rich man spotted.

showtime747 has properties in Australia, he can advise.
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Thanks for suggestion. I am not rich n smart enough though. My unit is tiny 42m2 1 bedder with no carpark so prospect of reselling is poor but already too late to cancel. Cooling period is over. Did not do enough homework before buying. I bought it to hedge against weak RM n worrying abt malaysia bankcrupt (worst scenario).

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QUOTE(Chat-huant @ Aug 28 2016, 02:47 AM)
Thanks for suggestion. I am not rich n smart enough though. My unit is tiny 42m2 1 bedder with no carpark so prospect of reselling is poor but already too late to cancel. Cooling period is over.  Did not do enough homework before  buying. I bought it to hedge against weak RM n worrying abt malaysia bankcrupt (worst scenario).
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Look like property in aus n nz already spoilt by China investors dumping their money bulk buying.
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QUOTE(Chat-huant @ Aug 28 2016, 01:47 AM)
Thanks for suggestion. I am not rich n smart enough though. My unit is tiny 42m2 1 bedder with no carpark so prospect of reselling is poor but already too late to cancel. Cooling period is over.  Did not do enough homework before  buying. I bought it to hedge against weak RM n worrying abt malaysia bankcrupt (worst scenario).
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You bought yr oz property via those local overseaa property roadshow in malaysia?

Or u bought it during yr trip to melbourne?
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Look like property in aus n nz already spoilt by China investors dumping their money bulk buying.
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Percentage of China people buy property in aus and NZ is very low lar. Aus side also show the statistic Liao.
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Foreigners are only allowed to buy off plan new properties and not subsale.

But was told that there are many ways to bypass this system.
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You bought yr oz property via those local overseaa property roadshow in malaysia?

Or u bought it during yr trip to melbourne?
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I bought from roadshow in KL. Really need to do proper homework before buying (which i did not). Need to factor in legal fees, stamp duty, FIRB fees and many other fees. I dont think i will earn much from this property. I can only hope value does not depreciate much since is in CBD. Oversupply problem is looming.

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I bought from roadshow in KL. Really need to do proper homework before buying (which i did not). Need to factor in legal fees, stamp duty, FIRB fees and many other fees. I dont think i will earn much from this property. I can only hope value does not depreciate much since is in CBD. Oversupply problem is looming.
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Well u have two uncertainties:
1. Value of property
2. Value of currency

Both can work advantage or disadvantage to you.

I hope u obtain a housing loan in aus. Was told that these days oz banks are tightening overseas loans lioa.
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Well u have two uncertainties:
1. Value of property
2. Value of currency

Both can work advantage or disadvantage to you.

I hope u obtain a housing loan in aus. Was told that these days oz banks are tightening overseas loans lioa.
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dont listen to property agent. i personally flied to melburne to see it by myself.

conslusion : dont buy apartment.
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QUOTE(Chat-huant @ Aug 27 2016, 11:35 PM)
Hi. Anyone has any idea about the cost of engaging service of tax agent in Australia to do registeration of new tax file in Australia n cost of doing annual tax return? I bought a small unit in Queens Place project. I kind of regret it but too late now. Consider it as parking money in overseas. Any sifus have experience dealing with tax agents? I work n live in Malaysia but my Australia lawyer that handle sales contract advised me to open tax file as soon as possible.
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Hi Chat-huant

I don't think you need to worry about the tax file number due to two reasons. Firstly, if you are not a citizen, a P.R or on a working/student visa earning Aussie, then you wouldn't be able to get a tax file number. (That's what I've read up)
Secondly, you have mentioned that it's a small place and I doubt the collectible rental will be over the taxable income threshold, if not mistaken Aus 3000/month.

However the rental money in bank earning interest. They will tax you a fix rate on the interest earned. E.g Aus1000/month (collected rental) x 12 months = Aus 12000, then Aus12000 x 1% (yes the bank interest is crap) = Aus 120/year. For foreigner the government will tax 15% off the interest earned, which is Aus 120 x 15%= Aus 18/year. And the bank will declare and submit this on your behalf.

So no worries mate. You'll be fine.

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dont listen to property agent. i personally flied to melburne to see it by myself.

conslusion : dont buy apartment.
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mind to share your experience ?

my case : son expecting to join at Uni MLB from mid 2017....... whats the nearest suburb / location need to search for own stay ? checked some 2 bed CBD under construction apartments. Expensive......

what's the alternate ? Townhouse ? which area ?

..... any suggestion ?



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mind to share your experience ?

my case : son expecting to join at Uni MLB from mid 2017....... whats the nearest suburb / location need to search for own stay ? checked some 2 bed CBD under construction apartments. Expensive......

what's the alternate ? Townhouse ? which area ?

..... any suggestion ?
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a lot bungolow there at suburb... good if u want migrate there later
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Tax file # is for anyone who has an Australian income, don't care if you are resident or not.

I also have to file in Aust tax return even not pr.

if apartment is expensive than townhouses will be more expensive.

anything nearby Melb Uni is expensive if two bedroom apartment is considered expensive.

Very hard to buy like this.


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the "tax free" income ia about $18k pa. and it is for resident only.
For non resident, no such deductions.
the trick is to offset rental income against interest expenses and etc.
However, now it's hard becos most banks lend only about 60% value and consider 60% of your income.
Some banks very strict, only certain professional income considered eg surgeons , lawyers eyc
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mind to share your experience ?

my case : son expecting to join at Uni MLB from mid 2017....... whats the nearest suburb / location need to search for own stay ? checked some 2 bed CBD under construction apartments. Expensive......

what's the alternate ? Townhouse ? which area ?

..... any suggestion ?
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why want to stay at CBD? MLB uni located at eastern area.
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Australia forces sale of 16 foreign, including Malaysian-owned, properties
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Australia has forced the sale of 16 properties bought without government permission by foreigners.

Chinese nationals were involved in seven of the 16 deals which have been rolled back since May. British nationals owned four, Canadians two, and the remaining three belonged to Malaysian and Papua New Guinean interests.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ding-malaysian/


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Australia forces sale of 16 foreign, including Malaysian-owned, properties

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ding-malaysian/
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Yes lah...they are breaking the law mah....

Foreigners can only buy direct from developers nia...
Otgerwise need authority to approve de....if buying subsale...

But the govt also boh hiew all these while.....now only tried to enforce the laws....

Actually the property agents also ahould put in jail.
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dont listen to property agent. i personally flied to melburne to see it by myself.

conslusion : dont buy apartment.
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can elaborate why? hows the situation in Adelaide?
Im surprised with so much land, apartments in Adelaide are going for half a million AUD for less than a 1000sf 2 bedroom apartment
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can elaborate why? hows the situation in Adelaide?
Im surprised with so much land, apartments in Adelaide are going for half a million AUD for less than a 1000sf 2 bedroom apartment
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ok here are how the games play.

1. as foreinger, u can only buy from developer.

2. most agent try to push apartment, bcoz harder to sell at aus. they need waterfish to buy so they engage agents, just like iskandar always try to aim foreinger instead of malaysian.

3. most aussie prefer landed, they enjoy land they enjoy the car space they enjoy the neighbourhood. they try not to live at town center.

4. so, if you bought apartment, to let out no problem. but when u try to sell, who going to buy from you? foreinger cant buy from you due to the policy, only local are allow to do so but local prefer landed.

5. even if local want to buy apartment, they can buy from developer. and even if they want to buy subsale, there are many many many many many chinese from china own few row few storey of the same apartment try to let go. you have a lots competitor, dont forget their entry level is cheaper than you since they buy 10 20 30 units in once.

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ok here are how the games play.

1. as foreinger, u can only buy from developer.

2. most agent try to push apartment, bcoz harder to sell at aus. they need waterfish to buy so they engage agents, just like iskandar always try to aim foreinger instead of malaysian.

3. most aussie prefer landed, they enjoy land they enjoy the car space they enjoy the neighbourhood. they try not to live at town center.

4. so, if you bought apartment, to let out no problem. but when u try to sell, who going to buy from you? foreinger cant buy from you due to the policy, only local are allow to do so but local prefer landed.

5. even if local want to buy apartment, they can buy from developer. and even if they want to buy subsale, there are many many many many many chinese from china own few row few storey of the same apartment try to let go. you have a lots competitor, dont forget their entry level is cheaper than you since they buy 10 20 30 units in once.
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Good info. Thank you so much for explaining that to me. Really appreciate it notworthy.gif
Can we sell back to developers? Cause I attended one of these talks for Aussie properties, the agent says if cannot sell, they will buy back.

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Good info. Thank you so much for explaining that to me. Really appreciate it  notworthy.gif
Can we sell back to developers? Cause I attended one of these talks for Aussie properties, the agent says if cannot sell, they will buy back.
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Also its western culture...

They prefer to rent...not buy....there is no shame in renting and without own any properties.

They will come to city to find work...but end of day...may go back to the land....interstates and etc.
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Solid points mentioned here. Just to add, I find that most Australian Properties marketed towards Foreigners / Malaysians are overpriced. Doing an independent research based on actual data would simply reveal that.

Also, the fact that Foreigners are only allowed to buy "off the plan" properties are a major disadvantage. To add matters worst, those that bought Aussie props can only be sold to their local Aussies.

Now, for the big secret... Guaranteed schemes are awesome for the developers because they can give you back your own money as it is typically priced into the property.

All in all, I personally would not invest in Aussie props. Hope that helps thumbsup.gif

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Actually there are not many countries in the asia pacific as foreigners u can own landed....freehold summore...
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But the govt also boh hiew all these while.....now only tried to enforce the laws....

Actually the property agents also ahould put in jail.
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All for show only.. Telling the voters there. The government understand people concerns... We are there for u..
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can foreigners still get loans from Aussie banks? anyone knows which banks still do foreign loans?
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I didn't know there was a thread on Lowyat for Australian properties, I have never marketed overseas project openly because until now, i think it's targeted to those who want and inquire about it.

My 2 cents,

After browsing through the sifu's posts here is that in my opinion, for Melbourne only, it's that if you're migrating there, look for House and Land, unless you're very new to Melbourne, rent in the city and if it suits your lifestyle, then only decide, but majority will not like the hustle and bustle of city life(same with KL). As i do take trips to Melbourne to visit friends and family, It's busy during working hours, but mostly dead during the weekend.

Apartments in the CBD really depends on the area, I have friends who bought directly in CBD because they work there. and even they say that apartments in the CBD exclusively is over-supplied and priced, unless for their children who studies there, they don't mind paying more for the convenience that its nearer to their University/Colleges.

One of the sifu's mentioned here that buy where the local buys, i agree partly because for their culture, they don't like noisy/crowded and want their own privacy and garages and space etc. while in majority of the South-eastern part like Dandenong/Clayton/Richmond are like the matured asian suburbs already. Abit further down to Cranbourne is where the locals stay.

I've learnt from clients and friends that if you do get the wrong agent, it can be a nightmare, especially a couple of years ago when UK and Australia was hot investments venue, the complaint outweigh the good because everyone wants to earn a quick buck and forget about the service.

Lastly, yes, alot of China buyers, especially the newer developments in West/CBD Melbourne. hence imposed of so many restrictions and the banks closing their doors to foreigners. and Usually i would say you don't compare properties in Sydney because it's a world city like New York, Tokyo, London etc.

I like Aus because with a little research, more of their information there are transparent, quite easily accessible if you know what to look for, whether for investment or own stay, and as one sifu here mention, fly there and see the area before you commit in any property that's not within a drive away. No harm to spend the extra bucks to be sure, Aus has always been a long term investment place.

Good luck to all who wants to try their hand, usually will benefit with the right steps taken to be sure with the failing currency. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif I'll be heading back to Melbourne coming March to follow up and explore Southbank/Fisherman's bend as the last time only managed to visit Crown Casino. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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agree.

and i would like to point out that, IMO, Aus not really a good place for property investment for foreigner, at least for now for malaysian.

1. u cant obtain loan finance, or hard to obtain

2. the stamp duty is killing you, 12%.

3. rental is good but you need to pay propery management company to help u manage all the things.

4. RPGT

honestly, you need about at least 500K cash in for the entry level. with this amount of money i can get better investment at Malaysia. the only reason to consider invest in Aus are:

1. diversify, park some of the capital in oversea. thx Najib.

2. for children study

3. iimigration

otherwise, stick at malaysia or other country.

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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 17 2016, 01:08 AM)
agree.

and i would like to point out that, IMO, Aus not really a good place for property investment for foreigner, at least for now for malaysian.

1. u cant obtain loan finance, or hard to obtain

2. the stamp duty is killing you, 12%.

3. rental is good but you need to pay propery management company to help u manage all the things.

4. RPGT

honestly, you need about at least 500K cash in for the entry level. with this amount of money i can get better investment at Malaysia. the only reason to consider invest in Aus are:

1. diversify, park some of the capital in oversea. thx Najib.

2. for children study

3. iimigration

otherwise, stick at malaysia or other country.
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The current prices for entry is very steep @AUD390k(lowest new one i see), RM500K is the extra safe part, but can manage it with 200k, as the period between building handing over is quite long. Usually the bulk of it comes upon settlement, which is after VP, and that's 1.5+ years later. all the little cost like Solicitor fee and that 12% Stamp duty(ouch). Minimized if there's financing.

The management company is not too bad, 7% of rental plus it's a yearly thing.

RPGT is only upon transfer of names, there's a few clause i think to avoid it, but it's touchy stuffs and haven't came across it yet.

Mostly now do migration only cause of the bleek future most of them see in Malaysia, more looking to Aus as even London is unstable now with Brexit, although i still get inquiry on London.

Malaysia easiest cause we are familiar with the environment biggrin.gif




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QUOTE(Mayday2232 @ Oct 17 2016, 09:38 AM)
The current prices for entry is very steep @AUD390k(lowest new one i see), RM500K is the extra safe part, but can manage it with 200k, as the period between building handing over is quite long. Usually the bulk of it comes upon settlement, which is after VP, and that's 1.5+ years later. all the little cost like Solicitor fee and that 12% Stamp duty(ouch). Minimized if there's financing.

The management company is not too bad, 7% of rental plus it's a yearly thing.

RPGT is only upon transfer of names, there's a few clause i think to avoid it, but it's touchy stuffs and haven't came across it yet.

Mostly now do migration only cause of the bleek future most of them see in Malaysia, more looking to Aus as even London is unstable now with Brexit, although i still get inquiry on London.

Malaysia easiest cause we are familiar with the environment biggrin.gif
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mind to share how to purchase the 400K AUD unit with start up capital 200K RM?

i mean landed.

and assume that i only have 200K RM.

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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 17 2016, 10:00 AM)
mind to share how to purchase the 400K AUD unit with start up capital 200K RM?

i mean landed.

and assume that i only have 200K RM.
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Landed usually abit harder as they have 2 contracts to sign.

Sorry my mistake as i thought it was Apartment/Townhouse. (Sorry)

To my knowledge for House and Land you have to pay Stamp Duty on the land, cause i have only heard from friends which they have bought and built themselves and not from any Developer.

If thats the case then yes, agree need about 400-500k cash rollover for House and Land to be safe. smile.gif

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QUOTE(BlueBath @ Aug 30 2016, 01:47 PM)
mind to share your experience ?

my case : son expecting to join at Uni MLB from mid 2017....... whats the nearest suburb / location need to search for own stay ? checked some 2 bed CBD under construction apartments. Expensive......

what's the alternate ? Townhouse ? which area ?

..... any suggestion ?
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My daughter too going to Melb or Adelaide next year. Uni accommodation is like AUD 120k for 3 years, so might as well look at buying a unit there.

For students, it is best to have minimal fuss and close to transport. So out of town landed is not considered.

Any suggestions? Tks



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Landed usually abit harder as they have 2 contracts to sign.

Sorry my mistake as i thought it was Apartment/Townhouse. (Sorry)

To my knowledge for House and Land you have to pay Stamp Duty on the land, cause i have only heard from friends which they have bought and built themselves and not from any Developer.

If thats the case then yes, agree need about 400-500k cash rollover for House and Land to be safe. smile.gif
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well australia is a country that full of land, i have no reason to buy apartment since most australian prefer landed.

unless the government change their policy such as allow foreigner to buy sub sale etc.
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QUOTE(funniman @ Oct 17 2016, 11:25 AM)
My daughter too going to Melb or Adelaide next year. Uni accommodation is like AUD 120k for 3 years, so might as well look at buying a unit there.

For students, it is best to have minimal fuss and close to transport. So out of town landed is not considered.

Any suggestions?  Tks
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wow, uni accommodation 40K AUD each year??? mean about 3.3K per month. this kind of amount i get almost get an apartment at New York or London. (2-3K usd)

which uni is that?
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wow, uni accommodation 40K AUD each year??? mean about 3.3K per month. this kind of amount i get almost get an apartment at New York or London. (2-3K usd)

which uni is that?
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Sorry...shld be RM 40k , not AUD
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Foreigners buying landed....must be from developer...
At this stage...either u get super expensive new launches or go out of town....


Apartments are still the more easy choices....
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Foreigners buying landed....must be from developer...
At this stage...either u get super expensive new launches or go out of town....
Apartments are still the more easy choices....
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yes from developer.

apartments are more easy to buy i believe, but, landed are more easy to sell. thats made the different.
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 17 2016, 11:49 AM)
well australia is a country that full of land, i have no reason to buy apartment since most australian prefer landed.

unless the government change their policy such as allow foreigner to buy sub sale etc.
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Very true, nowadays Australia still have plenty of land. If got the money its still hugely afforadable.

I guess works both ways for foreigners. Foreigner can only sell to local, local also sell to local, so it depends on how the purchaser wants to see it.
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Sorry...shld be RM 40k , not AUD
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Then its not too bad? About AUD90-100 a week, for the University Accomodation, unless its sourced by your own then its more expensive.
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anybody knows of any Notary Public in Penang credited by the Australian Gov?

I own a property in Aus and because I have rental income I need to apply for a TFN and declare my taxes...

One of the conditions is to provide copies of identification documents certified true copy by a Notary Public or via their consulate in KL... their honorary consul in PG can't do this
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I thought notary public is notary public...there is no notart public acceedited by certain countries....


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http://88melbourne.com.au/home

came across this property in Melbourne due to their nice intro video.

88 Melbourne, near to Yarra River.
But i'm not familiar to Australia Properties.

Is this project worth for investment?
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http://88melbourne.com.au/home

came across this property in Melbourne due to their nice intro video.

88 Melbourne, near to Yarra River.
But i'm not familiar to Australia Properties.

Is this project worth for investment?
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southbank is very good area..the place to live if in the city..just beside yarra river..this looks like high end product. got any indicative price?
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QUOTE(Mr.Mario @ Jan 16 2017, 06:05 PM)
http://88melbourne.com.au/home

came across this property in Melbourne due to their nice intro video.

88 Melbourne, near to Yarra River.
But i'm not familiar to Australia Properties.

Is this project worth for investment?
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If you are not familiar w aus property and aus property tax laws suggest you invest in the country you are familiar with.

All aus bigger cities are flooded w inner city apartments and condos...and their maintenace fee is super duper expensive.

Also know your residency status or foreign buyers status before you buy.
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Yup, i can get their citizenship in 4 years time.

but Australia seems like a hot spot for investments, maintenance fee shouldn't be a problem.

Maybe i should only think about investing there once I got the citizenship. ^^ and also see how the market goes in these few years.
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QUOTE(Mr.Mario @ Jan 18 2017, 06:02 PM)
Yup, i can get their citizenship in 4 years time.

but Australia seems like a hot spot for investments, maintenance fee shouldn't be a problem.

Maybe i should only think about investing there once I got the citizenship. ^^ and also see how the market goes in these few years.
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R u holding permanent residency now?
If yes...then no diff from pr and citizenship.
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If no PR,wat are the rules like? More expensive price too?
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No pr or citizenship...meaning u buy as foreigner...
Price same but youncan only buy direct from developer, cannot buy subsale.
When u sell, you must sell to pr or citizens. Cannot sell to foreigner.

Also hear that these days you can get full finance from australia banks. Most likely ltv 70 or 80 (which is no bad).
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jan 24 2017, 12:56 AM)
No pr or citizenship...meaning u buy as foreigner...
Price same but youncan only buy direct from developer,  cannot buy subsale.
When u sell, you must sell to pr or citizens. Cannot sell to foreigner.

Also hear that these days you can get full finance from australia banks. Most likely ltv 70 or 80 (which is no bad).
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now can get bank loans from australia, but under strict conditions. i think buying as foreigner is still 70% max. from what i know it's within 20km from cbd only consider to get loan from local banks(aussie)
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The big 4 Aussie banks had stopped lending to non citizens for property since the 3rd quarter of 2016. Have they changed the rules again??


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The big 4 Aussie banks had stopped lending to non citizens for property since the 3rd quarter of 2016. Have they changed the rules again??
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they didn't change the rules, it's still almost impossible, but with strict conditions, from the ones i know it's within short distance from the city and earning in AUD.
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For Australia property financing, I have financiers and banks from Australia, Singapore and Malaysia. For more information on Australia property investment, feel free to PM me. Thank you. smile.gif

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UPDATE

Starting 1st July 2017, Melbourne off the plan stamp duty will increase to 12.5% for foreigner upon settlement. currently the stamp duties for OFF THE PLAN in Melbourne is only 0.5%(est.) as you're only paying the land.

Perth's election just passed and the Labour Party won so it is going to have an additional Foreigner's Stamp Duty on top of the FULL stamp duty. No date given when they will enforce.

Most of the people interested to get Australia will be very eager to buy now, then after 1st July, it'll go quiet till people get used to it again. biggrin.gif
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To lock in fixed rate loan or to stick to variable rate loan? Any opinions?
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UPDATE

Starting 1st July 2017, Melbourne off the plan stamp duty will increase to 12.5% for foreigner upon settlement. currently the stamp duties for OFF THE PLAN in Melbourne is only 0.5%(est.) as you're only paying the land.

Perth's election just passed and the Labour Party won so it is going to have an additional Foreigner's Stamp Duty on top of the FULL stamp duty. No date given when they will enforce.

Most of the people interested to get Australia will be very eager to buy now, then after 1st July, it'll go quiet till people get used to it again.  biggrin.gif
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Foreigner likely can't get 70 or 80% loan from Aussie bank especially Chinese. My loan approved at 80% and agreement signed but when near to stage of transfer ownership suddenly bank revoke the said agreement due to bla bla bla many fraud case from Chinese ppl (mostly from china). So my name under catagory of Lee Ah Kow become victim. Eventually only can get 50% loan last minute, required to pay diff sum up to 40% and incur a lot of so call late payment interest to developer (shit they purposely serve the bill few days before Christmas which the entire country going to celebrate holiday till after new year 1/1 so they get more LPI). Super nightmare and bad experience to buy Australia property. Not to forget thousands of hidden cost billing you every month and increment of bank interest specificly apply on foreigner!!
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QUOTE(Kicimiao66cc @ Apr 26 2017, 02:58 PM)
Foreigner likely can't get 70 or 80% loan from Aussie bank especially Chinese. My loan approved at 80% and agreement signed but when near to stage of transfer ownership suddenly bank revoke the said agreement due to bla bla bla many fraud case from Chinese ppl (mostly from china). So my name under catagory of Lee Ah Kow become victim. Eventually only can get 50% loan last minute, required to pay diff sum up to 40% and incur a lot of so call late payment interest to developer (shit they purposely serve the bill few days before Christmas which the entire country going to celebrate holiday till after new year 1/1 so they get more LPI). Super nightmare and bad experience to buy Australia property. Not to forget thousands of hidden cost billing you every month and increment of bank interest specificly apply on foreigner!!
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that's the risk of buying off-plan. coz you dont "lock in" your mortgage on the date of signing, rather it is arranged on VP date, hence whatever the condition are on date of VP, that's what you will have accept. so things like % of loan, valuation of of prop, etc. And anything that happens mid-Dec til early Jan is a nightmare - I agree, coz the whole country basically shuts-down.

Increase in bank interest is not on foreigner - its on the type of loan. Currently, they have increase for interest only loan & investment loan. That's why i am considering locking the rates with fixed loan for at least 2 years, seeing that the interest can only go upwards.
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New CBD appt that was launch last weekend, Paragon sold almost 90% during weekend. Co developer is Malaysian Fajar Baru. 550sqf for 1b1b no Car Park price Aus535k onwards.
5 month ago same street another appt La trobe 303 launch 480sqf with 1b1b no cp only 430K..
Guess everyone is rushing to get a unit before 1/7
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Foreigner likely can't get 70 or 80% loan from Aussie bank especially Chinese. My loan approved at 80% and agreement signed but when near to stage of transfer ownership suddenly bank revoke the said agreement due to bla bla bla many fraud case from Chinese ppl (mostly from china). So my name under catagory of Lee Ah Kow become victim. Eventually only can get 50% loan last minute, required to pay diff sum up to 40% and incur a lot of so call late payment interest to developer (shit they purposely serve the bill few days before Christmas which the entire country going to celebrate holiday till after new year 1/1 so they get more LPI). Super nightmare and bad experience to buy Australia property. Not to forget thousands of hidden cost billing you every month and increment of bank interest specificly apply on foreigner!!
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QUOTE(kathlynn @ Apr 27 2017, 09:03 AM)
that's the risk of buying off-plan. coz you dont "lock in" your mortgage on the date of signing, rather it is arranged on VP date, hence whatever the condition are on date of VP, that's what you will have accept. so things like % of loan, valuation of of prop, etc. And anything that happens mid-Dec til early Jan is a nightmare - I agree, coz the whole country basically shuts-down.

Increase in bank interest is not on foreigner - its on the type of loan. Currently, they have increase for interest only loan & investment loan. That's why i am considering locking the rates with fixed loan for at least 2 years, seeing that the interest can only go upwards.
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It's been awhile since that foreigner can't get a loan from Aussie bank unless you're earning aussie dollar. But since now after the ban from China to prevent their residence from buying overseas, bank has been more lenient depending on the document, tho still very very hard, as most of my clients still only get at 70%.

That's the good part for getting loan from here. as my contact from Maybank allows you to lock in at the current rate. the only downside is if our economy gets better. you're paying more since you're locked in to the current rate as of contract signing. and as Kathlynn said.

If not, i know alot of people who applies to take loans in places which they have business with, like SG or UK etc.

EDIT : to Kici,
so sorry to hear about your bad experience with buying Australian properties. sad.gif But can i know when you applied your loan? usually you're not supposed to apply for loan so early, only about 5-6 months before project completion. Can send you the cashflow for a few properties that i did for my client if you're interested. biggrin.gif it'll show all the cost and everything and monthly outgoing.

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Anyone here can share their experience about buying a landed house in Australia either in Perth , Melbourne , adelaide or Sydney for renting out purposes ? Is it worth it ?

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QUOTE(drbone @ Oct 23 2017, 12:19 AM)
Anyone here can share their experience about buying a landed house in Australia either in Perth , Melbourne , adelaide or Sydney for renting out purposes ? Is it worth it ?
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Rather than paying for 1b1b no Car Park price Aus535k onwards, you can get house and land package for it.
It's value appreciation is greater.

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Currency ll determine the upside of the prop value oso. If buy at aud3.30 its quite hard to justify the gain vs buying in malai.

One can hav some spare fund n hoot when the aud soften. Aud in history is quite volatile wan.

No hurry. Of cos tis doesn't apply to those oledi bot long ago.
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Depends on your preference la haha and objective as well... some plan to migrate in future... some just too many property in malaysia wanna diversify...
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QUOTE(Globalwealthop @ Dec 29 2017, 06:26 PM)
Rather than paying for 1b1b no Car Park price Aus535k onwards, you can get house and land package for it.
It's value appreciation is greater.
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535k land + house package only available in bogan towns.
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I sold one terrace in Melbourne last year also around AUS849k already

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I sold one terrace in Melbourne last year also around AUS849k already
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Which area ? How much did you buy it for ? And when ?
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Which area ? How much did you buy it for ? And when ?
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Oh no la haha I am property agent. My friend bought it. Last year April he bought from me

not subsale... its project that I market. Coz he know I do handle Aussie prop

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hi all sifu, i m looking to invest in australia property. can share bank officer or mortgage specialist contact in australia to me? do pm me... thanks
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i dont think aus banks lending to foreigners?
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jan 14 2018, 06:18 PM)
i dont think aus banks lending to foreigners?
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B4 yes.

Recently they tighten the credit. I believe still can get but lower ltv.
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Which area Melbourne...?
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Bigger cities in Australia has too many foreigners now, especially from Chinese descendant. Going too these cities is like going to Hong Kong, Taiwan and China. Some of these foreigners cannot even speak proper English. The Australian government needs to control investors from China, too many of them now. Spoil the market and environment.
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QUOTE(hummels @ Jan 15 2018, 09:29 AM)
Bigger cities in Australia has too many foreigners now, especially from Chinese descendant. Going too these cities is like going to Hong Kong, Taiwan and China. Some of these foreigners cannot even speak proper English. The Australian government needs to control investors from China, too many of them now. Spoil the market and environment.
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not all yellow skins are foreigners my friend. many of these people are residents or students.

what is citizen of australia in your mind? abroginals? white face englishmen?

there are many other migrates from other countries, such as Italians, greeks, eastern Europeans, western Europeans. just bcos they look angmoh, hence you can accept them as 'australians'? oh many middle easterners also.

who stands to gain when asians bought oz properties?

also foreigners are not allowed to buy subsales. Only brand new direct from developers and many australia citizens arent interested to buy property on papers anywhere.

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jan 15 2018, 09:41 AM)
not all yellow skins are foreigners my friend. many of these people are residents or students.

what is citizen of australia in your mind? abroginals? white face englishmen?

there are many other migrates from other countries, such as Italians, greeks, eastern Europeans, western Europeans. just bcos they look angmoh, hence you can accept them as 'australians'? oh many middle easterners also.

who stands to gain when asians bought oz properties?

also foreigners are not allowed to buy subsales. Only brand new direct from developers and many australia citizens arent interested to buy property on papers anywhere.
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i think that is why australian gov is controlling asian investors, regardless of their presence as asians or austrlaian pr/citizens, too many of them will alter the very essence of australian image...

for a first world nation, i dont think money is their priority, but rather than to maintain certain image and cultural heritage...
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QUOTE(hummels @ Jan 15 2018, 09:51 AM)
i think that is why australian gov is controlling asian investors, regardless of their presence as asians or austrlaian pr/citizens, too many of them will alter the very essence of australian image...

for a first world nation, i dont think money is their priority, but rather than to maintain certain image and cultural heritage...
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if you read the latest property reports bought by true foreigners, you will be surprised that china is not even in the top 3 foreigners.

British, New Zealanders and Americans/canadians are the top buyers. Why? bcos chinese will only buy in the city or very close to the city whereas the top 3 foreigners will buy in slightly remote areas. BUT no one is making a fuss about it.

of course another factor is Aus is always have this love hate relationship with china. China is the biggest export market for Australia but Australia always loaded china practices in the world and worried about their mighty military power.

Australia images are revolving. If you go to any Australian hospital now, you most likely to see Asian faces as your doctors than angmoh, or some angmoh with surnames that you find it hard to pronounce.

was told by an immigration officer that aus gov always maintain roughly about 8% Asian immigration each year, a statement which you cannot obtained in official source.
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QUOTE(hummels @ Jan 15 2018, 09:51 AM)
for a first world nation, i dont think money is their priority, but rather than to maintain certain image and cultural heritage...
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I once spoke to a kiwi about maori culture and heritage. To my surprise that tis white face angmoh told me that any kiwi can be a maori if you understand and practise the maori values, which includes speak the language and embrace in their culture.

In terms of Australia, you will be considered as Australians if you live the Australian way of life. Its not entirely about the race, the color of your skin and your mother tongue. There is no one image and cultural heritage to maintain in Australia.

last year, the city of melbourne put up a billboard showing two asian girls, wearing hijab and greeting Happy Australian Day. It nevertheless faced plenty of backslashes but also many supporters.

In australia, at least you got a voice, unlike some countries (which shall remain nameless).

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Does Malaysian still looking into property investment in Australia? or rather owner occupied?
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Anybody heard of Melbourne Square, JV by OSK Property & EPF? I saw street buntings that they are having roadshow at Aeon Kinta City this weekend

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Anybody heard of Melbourne Square, JV by OSK Property & EPF? I saw street buntings that they are having roadshow at Aeon Kinta City this weekend
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Dear friend, southbank is grossly oversupplied. Best to avpid.
Central equity has built too many apartments in this area.
The pricing is also overinflated. The 7% foreigner stamp duty would hit u if you are a foreigner too
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QUOTE(JJ Sword @ Apr 27 2018, 06:07 PM)
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Dear friend, southbank is grossly oversupplied. Best to avpid.
Central equity has built too many apartments in this area.
The pricing is also overinflated. The 7% foreigner stamp duty would hit u if you are a foreigner too
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Buy in Tasmania...
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QUOTE(skalan @ Apr 27 2018, 08:30 PM)
Dear friend, southbank is grossly oversupplied. Best to avpid.
Central equity has built  too many apartments in this area.
The pricing is also overinflated. The 7% foreigner stamp duty would hit u if you are a foreigner too
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Isn't it 12% stamp duty for foreigners?
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Until there is a change of china policy on foreign investment, demand from China will remain cool. Rise of rba interest rate with have negative impact on property price.

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QUOTE(swiss228 @ Apr 28 2018, 12:34 PM)
Isn't it 12% stamp duty for foreigners?
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Melbourne used to have off the plan stamp duty exemption but this benefit was abolished in july 2017.

If u add the off the plan stamp duty, total u need to pay is 12%.

My friend, melbourne and sydney is not worth buying.

Brisbane u need to be selective. Avoid those with guaranteed rental scheme.

Perth is bottoming but population growth not strong enough to sustain price long term. Price is not cheap inspite of bear market. That is the dilemma of Perth.3% stamp duty for foreigners may kick in in Jan 2019.
I think foreigners are definitely not happy.

Banks only lend 60 to 70% LTV so your initial outlay is around 400 to 500k RM. Very difficult to get cash flow positive properties nowadays.
Beware some agents are there just to put sales and your welfare is definitely not on their top agenda.

So in my humble opinion... it is a bit too late to venture into Australian market now...just like how it is too late to buy in Singapore too.
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Apr 28 2018, 01:03 AM)
Buy in Tasmania...
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Tasmania is the only state to register a 12% price growth in the last 12 months. All other states/cities have actually stagnated or gone behind.
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QUOTE(skalan @ Apr 29 2018, 01:00 AM)
Melbourne used to have off the plan stamp duty exemption but this benefit was abolished in  july 2017.


So in my humble opinion... it is a bit too late to venture into Australian market now...just like how it is too late to buy in Singapore too.
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My feeling is that property is not the right vehicle for investment now, be it in KL or in foreign cities ( we have to pay additional stamp duty). KL rental yield and rental demand is low, so properties are only suitable for owner occupiers.

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QUOTE(swiss228 @ Apr 29 2018, 12:45 PM)
My feeling is that property is not the right vehicle for investment now, be in in KL or in foreign cities ( we have to pay additional stamp duty).  KL rental yield and rental demand is low, so properties are only suitable for owner occupiers.
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Property is not the only investment option available.

Many invested in property for the availability of leverage.
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https://www.afr.com/real-estate/residential...20190607-p51vh2

Pity those cancellation deal. 10% deposit forfeited.
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https://www.afr.com/real-estate/residential...20190607-p51vh2

Pity those cancellation deal. 10% deposit forfeited.
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u sure all buyers got their deposit forfeited if they pulled out before the building is completed????

I thought aus has this sunset clause where both seller and buyers have the right not to proceed with the deal before the property is completed?
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It seems liquidity is tight in oz land, banks are reluctant to lend to property sector.
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Foreigners can only buy off plans, and stamp duty is 12.5% in Victoria and 11.2% in NSW.

And you can only sell to locals when completed.

Forget about this.


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If you know what is happen in the apartment in Sydney and Melbourne you will not want to buy.

Some of the defects in Australia high rise will put Malaysian developers to shame

Got (1) Mascot Towers
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/ne...bb550953cd9b061

Got also (2) Opal Towers

and not to mention hundreds of high rise apartments that are not safe because of flammable cladding.

Also so many Ghost towers in sydney
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 28 2019, 12:36 PM)
u sure all buyers got their deposit forfeited if they pulled out before the building is completed????

I thought aus has this sunset clause where both seller and buyers have the right not to proceed with the deal before the property is completed?
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Unless the buyer able to find another investor to take over their unit before completed. There is a risk for apartment buyer on loan side due to we can’t predict whats gonna happen in the next few years. Bank might change the rules. 🤪 Correct me if I’m wrong ya. Any 108 buyer here ?

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Sunset clause is for both parties to determine the contract if OC is not obtained by the specified date, usually 3 years.
Buyers cannot just walk away once contract signed, unless developers can't deliver by sunset date.
Developers will not only have the right to forfeit deposit but also recover from buyer the price difference between original contract and finally sold.
So any buyers please note developers can came and sue you until bankrupt if they find it worthwhile to chase for the debts.
So buying for Malaysian developers can be a two edge sword, they know how to track you down.

As currently most off plan developments in Oz is at least 20% below contracted value.

Plus now with high rise apartments sinking or cracking, no sane person will want to buy high rise apartments in oz land. The cause of this problem is lack of regulation in oz building industry. Imagine developers can certify own building to get CF. What a scam.

Also, please don't be so hopefully that aust govt will loosen lending standards. It has RC on banking system recently and with all the short comings no way lending standards is going to be loosen.
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QUOTE(schelo33 @ Jun 28 2019, 02:23 PM)
If you know what is happen in the apartment in Sydney and Melbourne you will not want to buy.

Some of the defects in Australia high rise will put Malaysian developers to shame

Got (1) Mascot Towers
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/ne...bb550953cd9b061

Got also (2) Opal Towers

and not to mention hundreds of high rise apartments that are not safe because of flammable cladding.

Also so many Ghost towers in sydney
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its a shame....

structurely developers only give 6 yrs warranty...…..after that wash hands clean clean jor.
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QUOTE(spurswong @ Jan 24 2017, 07:39 PM)
The big 4 Aussie banks had stopped lending to non citizens for property since the 3rd quarter of 2016. Have they changed the rules again??
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In my experience, nowadays, most of the big banks are either giving very little loan amounts (50% or below) or it is very strict to get a loan. This can make it very difficult for any investor to obtain a loan. That's why it's better to consult with an agent / broker to learn what are your available options, because there are alternative ways to get a fully licensed & regulated loan from Australia.

QUOTE(kathlynn @ Apr 26 2017, 12:57 PM)
To lock in fixed rate loan or to stick to variable rate loan? Any opinions?
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In my opinion there isn't a specific answer for this, because it depends on your assessment of the current market.

Take today for example, rates are at an all-time low as reported by the Central Bank of Australia. If you were to have fixed your interest rate at xx% when it was high, you wouldn't have been able to take advantage of the low interest rates today. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...ow-will-they-go

However, there would have also been an equal chance that the rates would have gone higher too.

If you don't like the variability (the small changes in monthly repayments) because you'd like to be able to plan for your outgoing cashflow immediately, consider going for a fixed rate loan.

Although interest rates are expensive, there is one major benefit to managing your interest rates and incurring fees. You can use interest rates, costs to acquiring your loan, etc. towards your taxes (please consult a CPA for more info). For example: capital gains tax (CGT) - https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Capital-gains-tax/

QUOTE(Kicimiao66cc @ Apr 26 2017, 02:58 PM)
Foreigner likely can't get 70 or 80% loan from Aussie bank especially Chinese. My loan approved at 80% and agreement signed but when near to stage of transfer ownership suddenly bank revoke the said agreement due to bla bla bla many fraud case from Chinese ppl (mostly from china). So my name under catagory of Lee Ah Kow become victim. Eventually only can get 50% loan last minute, required to pay diff sum up to 40% and incur a lot of so call late payment interest to developer (shit they purposely serve the bill few days before Christmas which the entire country going to celebrate holiday till after new year 1/1 so they get more LPI). Super nightmare and bad experience to buy Australia property. Not to forget thousands of hidden cost billing you every month and increment of bank interest specificly apply on foreigner!!
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This is somewhat true. I've done high loan amounts for clients from Singapore, Malaysia, and China and they vary depending on their personal situation. A loan is a very private matter and there are so many reasons why a loan may not be approved, but we've managed to find workarounds for them.

Our clients get between 65% - 80% depending on how much they earn vs the commitments they already have.

I've learned of many cases where the loan has caused a lot of issues for everyone!

First with the approval for loan - it isn't easy, because there are regulations that need to be complied (the Lender is worried they can't receive back their money in the event of a default - as a foreigner you're in another country which makes it difficult for them, resulting in stricter rules and higher rates).

To solve this is to speak to an agent / broker / someone who knows the loan landscape early to know more, and to speak to a financial planner to plan your financial situation.

Second hidden costs - There are costs to everything, and this should have been declared to you. As Mayday2232 mentioned, any good agent would give you a detailed breakdown of everything you will be paying for to the best of their ability.

QUOTE(kathlynn @ Apr 27 2017, 09:03 AM)
that's the risk of buying off-plan. coz you dont "lock in" your mortgage on the date of signing, rather it is arranged on VP date, hence whatever the condition are on date of VP, that's what you will have accept. so things like % of loan, valuation of of prop, etc. And anything that happens mid-Dec til early Jan is a nightmare - I agree, coz the whole country basically shuts-down.

Increase in bank interest is not on foreigner - its on the type of loan. Currently, they have increase for interest only loan & investment loan. That's why i am considering locking the rates with fixed loan for at least 2 years, seeing that the interest can only go upwards.
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Up above this reply, I mentioned that rates move up and down (could benefit you or work against you) and it is nearly impossible to lock in the rate so far into the future.

A suggestion could be to consider a refinance into an interest-only loan? The rates are much more attractive compared to a fixed-loan. It would still be higher compared to a variable loan, but your commitment is much lesser per month and you can concentrate on property appreciation over time.

For mid-Dec to late-Jan most of Australia is on Christmas / New Year's break. An experienced agent that focuses on foreigners would have prepared you for it. Don't forget Chinese New Year for those celebrating in February. So effectively things slow down during this period, and it is normally advised to the Developer that settlements would be difficult during this time.



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just a headsup, the session will also include sharing some perth projects and the developer is Malaysian.
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QUOTE(stephdreamcloud @ Jul 20 2020, 09:13 PM)
is anyone interested to join a Australian Property Webminar by an avid property investor to learn how to invest, the conditions and requirements and what's involved and roi like and etc market data ?
just a headsup, the session will also include sharing some perth projects and the developer is Malaysian.
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Please provide more details via PM.
I'm a PR looking to purchase a landed property in Australia.
If you have financial options for PR, please share too.

Thanks.
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Pandemic huge impact on the property at Australia?
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Definitely and not just Australia. When crisis happens everyone and everywhere got hit but this is the first time Australia is experiencing the hit in 90 years despite remaining resilient and strong throughout a few economic downturn. Nevertheless, the market is still strong depending on areas.

Source : https://www.google.com/amp/s/au.finance.yah...-021916540.html

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QUOTE(HengEkHan @ Jul 20 2020, 09:18 PM)
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By the way I was informed also that Australian government is giving $20k to build. Such fantastic incentive from the government 😃 im so envious of that!

 

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