hello people.

i drive a gen 2 and i am looking forward to convert my car into a GSR turbo or mivec.
therefore i am trying to get as much information as possible before i take a go at it. The normal workshop that i am going does not specialize in converting, so they cant help me much, or not as accurate.

what i would like to know is:
comparing mivec and gsr, which one is a better investment?
i have tried surveying mivec ck, but it seems that there are too many variant. some with lsd, some without. some has a different throttle body fixed.

Is it possible to convert but have the original proton dashboard and meter remain?
Afaik, gsr/mivec gb uses cable instead of speed sensor. How or is it even possible to marry them?

Is gsr/mivec running on 4 wheels?Do i need to modify/lock anything at the gearbox to remain problem free?
are they equipped with ABS system?I would not like to have it fixed/running.

thanks!

performance - mivec is nothing compare to gsr turbo
maintenance - more expensive and least expensive
mivec daily drive is ok, but not gsr

yup there are alot variant , the more addtional option = more expensive the halfcut is

newer ck/cj/ch that can fits to your gen2 mivec and gsr used speed senor , unlke older cc/ca/cb/cd lancer that uses cable . u can reused ur dashboard and meters , its just depend on how well the workshop's wiring mechanic is good at his skill

only gsr or evo's runnng 4 wheels gearbox , mivec are 2wheels only . yes u can lock the 4wheels gearbox to run the front wheels only , its not that complicated , a minor job . abs system u can run without it . no sweat or any problem

GSR block with Mivec head

maintenance as in?Engine oil and gear oil?Or turbo needs to be service every now and then?
assuming that a new turbo will be fitting in for oil leak prevention, do i still get headache?

Is all gsr running on four wheels?Or i can get a gsr with turbo from lancer (without evo) instead? Or lancer dont come with turbo as oem?
For locking the four wheel, it will be hard here. unless i send out the gb to wilayah.

Also about the "newer" version that you are saying which runs on sensor instead of cables, do you know when are they produced?2000 above or below year 2000?
thanks!

no ler, not yet think so far into performance yet. want to safely convert and get used to it first before going deeper.
somemore the wallet needs time to refill too..

maintenance wise = cut short the maintenance interval for turbo engine. coz sludge forming in turbo engine is like having high blood pressure. can kill.
i had a 4g93t before.. change oil every 3k++. never had problem with the snail watsoever. but mechanic says im too extreme.. but i dont give a shyt. just wanna make sure my engine last. and it does.

gsr has a 4wheel gb. just lock it. easy. they just weld a 'block' of steel to a certain shaft... im not sure about the detail.. but that is what i know. no need 'high tech' modification for sure.. all 4g93t is below 2000 if im not mistaken, although the CK version is newer. mine if not mistaken is 1994.

turbo versus mivec. i had this trouble too. but after recomendation and consideration. turbo is the best choice. maintenance wise is actually easier than mivec. mivec parts is quite rare. but for the turbo, many parts are available! and the power of the turbo.. one word.. SHIOK. when compare to those new turbo car... 10k++ investment for a turbo ride is damn cheap already. and the power is damn raw.

if you are doing engine transplant because you wanted more power, skip the mivec.
go directly to GSR.

thanks for the detailed explaination. i have asked the mechanic, he says he know how to lock the gb thingy.
then i go ask around for gsr halfcut and the problems they met for converting. The problem now is the returning fuel hose.
afaik, our gen2 only has a single output petrol hose.without returning hose. But GSR has. since i will or has not intend to use the gsr tank, this will be giving me some headaches.
regarding the power that you said syiok. i am planning to put in everything from the stock GSR at the moment. without major upgrading yet. will the power still be there?

yea. now going around ask see hows the gsr pricing here. But i have not seen the real 1 yet. not yet go to the shops.

gen2 doesnt have returning fuel hose? hmm... this is the first time i heard about this.. i thought everybody should have this. because they will have the FPR (fuel pressure regulator) to control the fuel pressure at the fuel injector there... if it doesnt return.. isnt that the pump will just OVER PRESSURE the fuel line?? weird...

stock setup GSR has about 180++hp on spec.. the power is really shiok. compare to the gen2 spec.. i think it's double that figure. so.. it's really shiok. the first time i drive after conversion, i cant really handle the power. have to drive slowly and adapt to it. even overtaking car became a problem initially, because cant predict the power. it's just too much power. but eventually, after got used to it then everything okie liao lo.. turbo = overtaking without dropping gear..

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learn something today after googling on returnless fuel injection system.
looks like you just need to use the fuel pump of the gsr, and it should solve theproblem isnt it? and actually you MUST use at least the fuel pump of a GSR or BIGGER LPH fuelpump.. else.. your engine wont last.

This post has been edited by wailup: Mar 22 2013, 01:43 PM

i would like to use the gsr fuel pump too, but then it dont fit the gen2 tank properly.tats wat the halfcut guy told me.
unless i put the whole tank up. then again the gsr tank wont fit properly ...unless if i dont mind those cut and weld method.

then i have another problem. power window switch.gen2 one is located at the center console. if lancer and wira share the same, then the power window switch will be at the door. kenot brain where it will be put then...

my experience on the fuel pump. i modify the housing to put in the nissan silvia fuel pump inside. it can be done. else you just put an external one lo.. easy, only have fuel pump noise.. but my nissan fuel pump eventhough is an internal version, it still give out some 'eeeeeee' sound. high output ma..

for the power window switch. really no idea jor.. mine was a wira auto to gsr manual. no problemo.

i have done a research on google image just now. I saw that the switch was modded back at the middle part. so i think it is a simple job.
as for the fuel pump, later i gonna go confirm on my car if there is really only one output hose.

btw, your wira has been converted for how long?Still with you or already sold?

converted and driven for 3 years before selling off.. miss her so much...

mind asking reason of selling?
too much problem or maintenance high?
or changing newer car?

gen-2 has fuel return line . get a walbro 255lph instead , as a reliabilities point of view as fuel pump gets older the pump gets weaker plus u will have more room for improvement later on . only mivec / gsr ck onwards can fit to gen 2 , as gen2 have opposite engine compare to earlier wira/satria or lancer cc/ca/cb . ck starts from year 97 , and it uses speed sensor .
my point of view on these gsr turbo engine maintaince side , they are very well built , as long if u take good care of it , it wont damage ur wallet much . if u wanted to do a upgrade , make sure u do it the proper way . most of the ruined engine i fixed is because the owner are too cheap but they wanted to do a upgrade by using cheap low quality parts . most common isuue with these engine were the turbo worn out , amd needed replace or rebuild , turbo does worn out , as in mhi turbo's they run on bush bearing , plus all these years since it left the factory .

MIVEC will be a very fun engine to drive. I do have 2 friends owing both types of engine. one is the GSR while the other is MIVEC. Better investment for me i would go for MIVEC as the prices of MIVEC is killing. lsd's and so on are optional. But may i remind u. LSD's are only usefull for drag setup and you would need bigger budget on tyre's *my opinion only*. GSR/Mivec AWD, Only GSR's are AWD but u can make them run on FW. for MIVEC, i dont think so. Talking about maintenence, depends on how u drive ur car too. Now your choices would be. N/A or Turbo.

so wrong

LSDs r useful in all matters...even cornering..even drifting....even on normal daily matters...even when going thru puddles etc...my ex ef n current eg has experienced both with n without lsd...n its just a whole lot better experience with the lsd.

tire wear is roughly the same...not even an issue

and to ts...theres a phrase that goes "no replacement for displacement"

as i said mADmAN. it was just my opinion

that is totally untrue, the true purpose of LSD is for handling, whether it's for straight line to cancel out torque steer or cornering to reduce understeer or even for drifting if the car is RWD. using tires more quickly is not accurate also, if u have no LSD, u would still use the same amount of tires because all the force will be concentrated on one tire at a time instead of spreading the power out to both.

and for everyday use of course the GSR is the best choice, MIVEC is a high rev engine, GSR turbo has the torque at lower revs, it's just better to drive anytime anywhere, just keep it stock standard or as stock as possible, once u make high hp it will be a pain to drive in town, it's just a 1.8.

If you have an LSD, your car would understeer alot less and upon corner exit you can just floor the throttle and point the car out of the apex with no fear of wheelspinning/understeering.

LSD even help went through puddles, agree as mADmAN write..
drifting without LSD kinda hard.. try before, cant even drift !! even its FR layout (summore with small torque)

What is the price of a GSR halfcut nowadays?

how to drift with only 1 tire spinning

haha.. during that i turn very hard until myself seat from driver position change to passenger

better than me. I only handbrake turn, FWD cannot drift don't care LSD ke, open diff ke, welded diff ke whatever

go for GSR , why saga we call it BLM ? cause boleh masuk mivec (BLM) hehe
a friend got his mivec halfcut preloaded with ralliart stuff and LSD . quite a rare breed .

imho , take the mivec , with the 1.6 roadtax it wont make any change with current gen2 roadtax .
only if u like to rev at 9k rpm buy the vtec .

goodluck !

seem maybe mivec not enough torque.. but mivec engine is very response, while GSR have higher output with higher torque..

if me GSR for short distance coz turbo can give-up due to boost all the way
n mivec can use for long distance with full throttle coz its NA

correct me if i'm wrong here

i change to a new car lo.. maintenance no problem. not high. now driving mazda3.. getting old jor.. so now like to drive with comfort. but if i have the money, i would keep it as 2nd car.

my GSR can boost all the way from johor to kl. and keep hitting 180kmh (still have speed cut, so thats the best i can go). std stock setup, it wont overheat de..
mivec only nice to run when you keep it running at high rev.. just like the vtec. need high rev to bring out its 'power'. gsr at low rpm also very nice to go around city. coz it's 1.8, has quite a decent torque at low rpm. and with std setup. your max torque comes at 3.4+k rpm. you get all the torque you have very very early. it's nice to have torque yoh.

This post has been edited by wailup: Mar 24 2013, 11:04 AM

thank you all for the feedbacks.
i think i will be getting a GSR instead. but more research has to be done before i confirmed myself into doing this.
since i am not very good with this car stuffs.

thanks again all!

ppl who say turbo will overheat when long distance, those are usually not in stock. probably overboost without proper management.
keep it stock like wailup, and it's a reliable little snail.

go for GSR Turbo, then change your engine head to mivec engine head and get all the wirings to be done and you can have the best of both world which is MIVEC TURBO!!!

talk is cheap

Talk is cheap??? Been there done that before, I have the knowledge, if you dont know how then just stfu.

Nobody said it can't be done. And chances are he knows more about this mod way better than you. He's just implying that it's not easy nor cheap to do the mod.

+1

used to boost 1.0 bar in my previous RB from ipoh to KL doing 200kmph most of the time, when almost reach KL the tires gave up before the turbo........

arlow arlow.
please please dont argue.
i am just asking for more comments and reviews of their converted car, not to see arguments ler.

but as stated(or did i not), i am not going full fledge performance yet. just want to safely convert to GSR, let it settled down first before i go for the next performance upgrade.

i have been doing alot of thinking recently. am i able to do even the most trivial matter. such as the power windows, the wipers, and even the blinker lamp. and i have a friend's car that has just burnt down in puchong recently and was suspecting a short circuit causing it.

so i am also trying to be as cautious as i can since i am planning to do this on a DIY side.

engine mounting in gen2 how many eyh? 2 or 3? i forgot la...cos my fren convert the engine and need to add 1 more mounting on engine bay...but thats neo...

engine mounting in gen2 how many eyh? 2 or 3? i forgot la...cos my fren convert the engine and need to add 1 more mounting on engine bay...but thats neo...

yes it is not easy, but I can guide TS if he needed some help, known a few tuner which can do a proper job on mivec turbo...if TS is interested PM me for futher details. PEACE

u missing her? I'm raping her everyday..

oh... celaka you... you should be treating her nicely..
regret let you having her...

anything wrong with what i said ? i can sit at mamak , tell story all day , pong pang pong pang , this and that , sepang drag battle how to get 9sec , 2000 horse , yada yada . but its just talk , yeah its cheap
let me do the calculation for you +- the figure . a gsr ck halfcut cost around 7 to 10 k , a mivec ck head will take you another 1.5k to 2k , well thats not the whole story , u have a gsr wiring , but u need to trigger the mivec ? kampung spec will be a cheap mivec or vtec controller , 1k perhaps ? but as we all know these would go far with uprated boost , mivec spots a 320 duration and very high lift , chances is it will be running very lean during mivec trigger , not to forget the stupid skinny fuel rail that came with the ck's gsr , nah melting a piston isnt fun. so , wats next ? fic 800cc injector , another 1k , thank you very much . oh thats not the whole story yet , standard gsr ecu with 800cc injector will flood ur engine the moment u started it and wanting to let it idle . another 2.8k for a entry level haltech 500 please . installation and tuning another 1.5 k , oh now we have a up and running mivec gsr . total cost , oppssss i lost count . things isnt cheap nowday unlike the olds days . and doing job halfway done isnt going to last long . u done it before , u should know more than me
just saying

4 , satria neo have 1 mounting less and doesnt have crossmember

This post has been edited by sinister_sid: Apr 8 2013, 11:20 PM

Want to ask all sifuu here.

Just putting 4g93t gsr ck in my gen2. I know its an old engine, past its prime maybe. But to each one of its own.

Already change to td05 16g and front mount apexi intercooler, with stock internal.

Considering to get me emanage ultimate and dynoing the car.

With 1.0 bar boost, is 200hp achievable with my setup?

My take

Be smart , buy a second hand dirt cheap Volkswagen golf

Everything in one complete package

ouch.... owners here might get triggered....

wont really call em cheap, but having seen how fast these things can go.....

Simply because these engines are so old and rarely well maintained

unfortunately very true... those who really jaga the keretas want to sell for obscene prices, or not sell at all.... tho the age of the engine (tech used) imo, not really an issue, its whether the owner jaga or not

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Feb 24 2017, 11:57 AM

Tech wise , there's too much turbo lag , there's no water cooling for the turbos

With no AWD torque steer is unmanageable , you can only drive off boost or risk the car pulling itself into a wall

ahh turbo lag... mah the sudden kick is kinda fun...... practical? no, good? well usually no. fun? sort of yeah.

turbos still fed oil, not really an issue

2wd well im gona look at the bright side of things... 2wd is abit lighter... and less tranny powerlosses i guess.... (wont say its a good thing tho, theres a thing as too much~)

It's okay if the lag is. Below 2k rpm but these are known to lag below 4k which means really really bad consumption

Oil only if used by noob will die very early