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 Bachelor of Jurisprudence (External), from Universiti Malaya, need some advice

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AdrianYoung
post Jan 15 2014, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(ThE-1cY @ Jan 14 2014, 01:43 PM)
Yes I am in my first year. There are only 2 fresh STPM fresh graduates including me. Others are working adults, some in professional fields. The entry requirements are actually required by LPQB to take CLP exam after completion of BOJ.
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nod.gif I see. Do you mind to tell me that the price of BOJ application form? Hope I'll be selected to study this course! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 15 2014, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(stephen84 @ Jan 14 2014, 05:28 PM)
Hi ThE-1cY, thanks for the reply. How are you coping with the course? Have you already taken first year exam? Currently are you working or you just focus on BOJ
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It's not easy. I have to work on Mondays to Fridays and attend classes on almost every Saturdays and Sundays. You really have to find time to read the books and cases if you want to take this course. My first exam will be on August.

QUOTE(AdrianYoung @ Jan 15 2014, 12:52 AM)
nod.gif I see. Do you mind to tell me that the price of BOJ application form? Hope I'll be selected to study this course!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If my memory serves me right, it's RM5 per form.
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post Jan 15 2014, 08:57 AM

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It's not easy. I have to work on Mondays to Fridays and attend classes on almost every Saturdays and Sundays. You really have to find time to read the books and cases if you want to take this course. My first exam will be on August.
If my memory serves me right, it's RM5 per form.
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ThE-1cY, May I know what you work as now? so you plan to use English or Malay when sitting for exams

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post Jan 15 2014, 11:48 AM

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ThE-1cY, May I know what you work as now? so you plan to use English or Malay when sitting for exams
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It is better to use English since it is international language. And English is also a formal language in the court Malaysia.
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post Jan 15 2014, 01:59 PM

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Courts in Malaysia not all use English as formal language

Please remind
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post Jan 15 2014, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(cnvery @ Jan 15 2014, 01:59 PM)
Courts in Malaysia not all use English as formal language

Please remind
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You are SPM graduated, you 'bukan langsung tidak tahu BM'!
You know BI, you also understand BM but you know BM, you certainly don't know BI. UoL use English too.

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post Jan 15 2014, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(kongming @ Jan 15 2014, 11:48 AM)
It is better to use English since it is international language. And English is also a formal language in the court Malaysia.
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Bro, Both languages are used in court. I went to court before.
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QUOTE(cnvery @ Jan 15 2014, 01:59 PM)
Courts in Malaysia not all use English as formal language

Please remind
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yes... agree....
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post Jan 15 2014, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(stephen84 @ Jan 15 2014, 08:57 AM)
ThE-1cY, May I know what you work as now? so you plan to use English or Malay when sitting for exams
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I'm working as a clerk at a law firm. I will be using English mainly for the exams, maybe except for Islamic Law. There are many Malay Islamic terms, probably reading and answering in Malay will get a better understanding of the subject.

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post Jan 16 2014, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(kongming @ Jan 15 2014, 02:51 PM)
You are SPM graduated, you 'bukan langsung tidak tahu BM'!
You know BI, you also understand BM but you know BM, you certainly don't know BI. UoL use English too.
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I went to low court before

The low court is conducted fully in BM

Not sure for high court

Problem will occur when you need to speak or write anythings in BM
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QUOTE(cnvery @ Jan 16 2014, 01:36 AM)
I went to low court before

The low court is conducted fully in BM

Not sure for high court

Problem will occur when you need to speak or write anythings in BM
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Yeah, lower courts mostly use Bahasa.

Higher courts, you can ask for English but if the Judge says speak BM, you are still screwed.

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post Jan 16 2014, 06:14 AM

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QUOTE(ThE-1cY @ Oct 3 2013, 11:30 PM)
Guys, I already got the offer letter from UM and will be going there by end of this month. Thanks for replying though... rolleyes.gif
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How is the course you attend? Can you share with us the Bachelor of Jurisprudence (External)? Are you satisfied?

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Problem will occur when you need to speak or write anythings in BM

Yeah, lower courts mostly use Bahasa.

Higher courts, you can ask for English but if the Judge says speak BM, you are still screwed.


It is your advantages to master two languages.

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post Jan 16 2014, 06:24 AM

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No matter what languages are used, mastering two languages is your advantages.

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post Jan 16 2014, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(ThE-1cY @ Jan 15 2014, 06:43 PM)
I'm working as a clerk at a law firm. I will be using English mainly for the exams, maybe except for Islamic Law. There are many Malay Islamic terms, probably reading and answering in Malay will get a better understanding of the subject.
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you are working in which dept? conveyancing or litigation?
Do you think your work is related to the subjects in the course?

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QUOTE(kongming @ Jan 16 2014, 06:24 AM)
No matter what languages are used, mastering two languages is your advantages.
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I agree that we should master both languages. But for exams, i rather use one language which i am most proficient in. you won't want your grades affected because of your poor command of the language.
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QUOTE(kongming @ Jan 16 2014, 06:14 AM)
How is the course you attend? Can you share with us the Bachelor of Jurisprudence (External)? Are you satisfied?
It is your advantages to master two languages.
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I agree with you.

But I'm just stating the facts straight.

Not all court uses English and not all legal documents are in English.

It's good to have proficient English but BM would be nice as well.
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post Jan 16 2014, 12:52 PM

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Notwithstanding, it needs some time to be adapted for different languages. Once you are adapted, you are in very comfortable situation.
I am Chinese educated, when I started learn online ( Internet ), I always go to Chinese orientated websites. But now, I have learned English and I am able to read and write English. I am also able to read English ebook.
It is proven that once you are adapted to English environment, you won't be any problem.
I think that BM at STPM level is enough already.

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post Jan 16 2014, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(kongming @ Jan 16 2014, 06:14 AM)
How is the course you attend? Can you share with us the Bachelor of Jurisprudence (External)? Are you satisfied?
It is your advantages to master two languages.
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The lectures are ok but extremely brief because we have to cover a lot of topics over a short period of time as compared to internal course. The fees are more expensive than I expected which is about RM25k if attend all classes and exams over 3 years. From what I heard, the passing rate for internal students is about 70% to 80% whereas for external students, it is 30%. Of course, there are also many external students not registering for the classes, so the 30% who passed mostly are those who attended the classes.

QUOTE(stephen84 @ Jan 16 2014, 10:43 AM)
you are working in which dept? conveyancing or litigation?
Do you think your work is related to the subjects in the course?
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I'm in the conveyancing department but sometimes I do litigation as well. Doing conveyancing work don't help much in my study, but mixing around with the lawyers and listening to them actually can get the "feel", if you can understand what I mean. I think any person with enough life experience will have the upper hand in reading law.
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post Jan 16 2014, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(ThE-1cY @ Jan 16 2014, 09:55 PM)
The lectures are ok but extremely brief because we have to cover a lot of topics over a short period of time as compared to internal course. The fees are more expensive than I expected which is about RM25k if attend all classes and exams over 3 years. From what I heard, the passing rate for internal students is about 70% to 80% whereas for external students, it is 30%. Of course, there are also many external students not registering for the classes, so the 30% who passed mostly are those who attended the classes.
I'm in the conveyancing department but sometimes I do litigation as well. Doing conveyancing work don't help much in my study, but mixing around with the lawyers and listening to them actually can get the "feel", if you can understand what I mean. I think any person with enough life experience will have the upper hand in reading law.
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rclxub.gif Only 30% of students passed in Jurisprudence exam papers?! Is it very difficult to study if not attend classes? Can you give some suggestions? How many subjects you took this year?
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post Jan 16 2014, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(AdrianYoung @ Jan 16 2014, 10:23 PM)
rclxub.gif Only 30% of students passed in Jurisprudence exam papers?! Is it very difficult to study if not attend classes? Can you give some suggestions? How many subjects you took this year?
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I'm still on my first year, I have not taken any exam. I'm planning to take 5 subjects this year. Attending classes lets you to ask questions and meet other classmates, and maybe organise meetups/discussions. It's tough for those who have no idea what is law. Once you get the hang of it, you should be able to do it on your own. One more thing, the lecturers do give tips, very small tips on how the exams and answers should be like, because they are the ones who are setting the questions.

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