QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 18 2013, 08:22 PM)
LC2K tuning involves running enjin at 6k RPM for 2 hours Just kidding
PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB v41, GaGa The Crap Car
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Mar 19 2013, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Mar 19 2013, 07:53 PM) I thought if dry road, non-ABS should have better stopping distance than ABS? Once the wheels lock up, the co-efficient of the tyres drop so the braking distance increases. Gaga's brakes are powderful enough to lock the wheels even in the dry. I believe given an ABS and non-ABS Gaga on the same surface, wet or dry, it's not possible for the non-ABS to stop faster than ABS if both apply full braking. Yet another reason I envy the FLX.Anyhow...luckily nobody injured |
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 19 2013, 09:17 PM) Those who don't have ABS, read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadence_braking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_braking QUOTE(Wikipedia) Because available friction at a given moment depends on many factors including road surface material, temperature, tire rubber compound and wear, threshold braking is difficult to consistently achieve during normal driving. Meanwhile I'll stick to leaving a good space between myself and the kar in front I almost never get into situations where I have to brake really hard anyway. This post has been edited by lhwj: Mar 19 2013, 11:58 PM |
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QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 19 2013, 09:46 PM) if ayam not wrong, ABS function like u press on the brake 50% then increase to 80% then reduce again to 50%? so by right if u can control these via right foot should have the same effect as ABS? ABS doesn't kick in unless you brake hard enough for the wheel to slip. Then it will decrease the brake force until the wheel has grip again, increase brake force until the wheel starts to slip and the cycle repeats itself a few times a second. In an emergency it's doubtful that even the best driver can do the same thing. QUOTE anyway, i remember reading that some cars will actually have brakes applied on all 4 tyres where the front have full force brake and rear have something like 25% to 50% of brake force? Electronic brake force distribution. Keeps the appropriate braking force on each wheel so that the car goes straight and doesn't pull to one side, for example if only your right wheels hit a puddle, if you brake then your car will pull towards the left, because the right wheels have a lot less friction. EBD should prevent this. Don't confuse this with ESC. ESC can kick in even without touching the brakes. Even on non-ABS cars the front brakes are already designed to have more force than the rear, because when you brake the weight distribution moves forward. This post has been edited by lhwj: Mar 19 2013, 10:13 PM |
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Mar 19 2013, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Mar 19 2013, 10:16 PM) Front brake has more force than rear is a safety feature, so that if you were to lock your wheel during emergency braking, you will lock your front wheels first. Locked rear wheels = fishtailing. Scary stuff If you lock your front wheels, your car can still go straight. If your rear wheels are locked first, the car will go anywhere but straight forward. It has to do with force and moment exerted on The car's body. On the same note, I hear a lot of people say always use the rear brake on a bicycle, because if you pull the front brake you'll fly over the handlebars. What rubbish, I have clocked a few thousand km of road riding and the front brake always work better. In fact I only use the rear brake when I want to pull the bike vertical on its rear wheel and at one point, my bike didn't have rear brakes at all QUOTE(billy520 @ Mar 19 2013, 10:18 PM) That's why I told you last night, the FLX is everything the BLM should have been in the first place. Just too bad we missed it by being a year too early. |
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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Mar 19 2013, 10:42 PM) I distribute brake between rear And Front on my bike. Don't have experience with road bikes, I wished I had one but I've only had hybrids. Btw off topic, currently looking for budget roadbike. Any Suggestion? QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Mar 19 2013, 10:55 PM) If you have v-brakes, and I mean the real v-brakes, that flipping can happen really easily. Then I guess it's all about regulating the brake force properly.For a majority of brakes, they don't bite hard enough to flip you. And you have to be moving at enough momentum to flip yourself in the first place. Anyway, to avoid ![]() |
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Mar 19 2013, 11:27 PM
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YAB is absolutely right. There are some roads with blind corners where I imagine, what if there was a broken down car on the right lane? I myself was a victim of a blind corner, at the slip road where the Penchala Link joins Jalan Duta opposite the Agong's new Istana. Always assume there's an obstacle around the blind corner, and never exceed a speed where you can't brake in time if something happens to be there. Driving my Gaga without ABS, I've always prepared myself that if I had to do an emergency brake, I'd step hard with my right foot but not so hard until I skid, because if I do, I'm doomed. Dunno how well that will work, but until I have an ABS equipped car, I hope I don't have to find out. |
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 20 2013, 08:22 AM) Got ABS - step as hard as you can and holdNo ABS - step as hard as you can, if you feel car is skidding, release slightly, then step hard again. See cadence and threshold braking Wiki articles in Dared post earlier. |
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 20 2013, 06:48 AM) Oh it will make sound? If the Dugong can jump as hai as this, surely a small longkang is not a plobrem Now when you meantion VIOS the ABS, there was once I was sending a dugong back to the shop in Serdang Raya. You know la those used car outside private road is gravel. I was happily riding the dugong and suddenly 1 apek turned out from 1 of the used car. I panic so I ma jam the brake lo since my speed is about 40 or 60kph nia. Guess what.... no ABS kick in. The car gradually slide towards my right. During that time I know masok longkang is unavoidable so I bent my arms slightly to allow dampening during impact. I shut my eyes tight ready for airbag hit my glasses... When I open my eyes.... the car was totally stopped, but at JALAN UTAMA I didn't know there's a safety feature call over jump a drain ![]() QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 20 2013, 08:32 AM) i agreed with this. should applied to all drivers. i myself applied this long time ago. i myself always considered me as not a professionally experienced driving car. One of the most dangerous things I've seen are cars missing exits on the haiway then they reverse backwards down the emergency lane there's more, such as : [*] when overshoot road exits, do not attempt to go suddenly go exit, if overshoot just drive until find the next u-turn... QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 20 2013, 08:43 AM) so meaning that when driving, one should know the car that you are driving is with abs or non abs right. well, from my experience, one should be well prepared before driving such as the destination, car condition, road factor, weather factor etc. for YAB's case, that one is not expected. Of course. If you're driving an unfamiliar car, you should not have to brake to trigger ABS in the first place. Or if you're driving your own car for that matter. But unexpected things happen. one also should also not too dependant on car lights (brake lights, signal) in front of you. yalor we can say drivers drive sohigh one, blame on others. from my understanding, we also have to learn to expect the movement of the vehicles around you. don't just see the vehicle in front, but see also the traffic infront of the vehicles infront of you. some like that la. There are two golden rules for safe driving. 1. Assume each and every other driver is an idiot who may do stupid things and crash into you. 2. Drive as if you have no safety features. No ABS, no airbags. As if you aren't wearing your seatbelt. As if your chassis is made of paper. As if there's a sharp spike at the steering wheel pointed at your face. Safety features are good, but it makes drivers overconfident to take unreasonable risks. |
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 20 2013, 09:10 AM) Noobdao As I drove an automatic with ABS for four years before getting my manual non-ABS Gaga, my left foot doesn't really get itchy for the clutch when I drive an auto nowadays. As I said before I don't have much experience with hard braking, but I do feel that after two and a half years and almost 60k km on my Gaga, I'm quite familiar with the braking feel to allow me to drive as confidently as if I have ABS, though I'm always aware that I don't, especially on wet surfaces. Having said that I still do wished my Gaga has ABS, just in case. If its a MyBi, either the car terbalik or trashed into longkang ady. Usually when I drib Mybi, I drib really gently to the extend like makcik go pasar that kind a speed. Instead, I rather enjoy the akon in Mybi. Its not really super duper cool or huge wind, but I felt the wind blown out from the vent just nice & felt natural. Normally when I drib clients Mybi, the only thing I will fiddle is the thermostat. All the way MAX lhwj Experienced driver in none assisted braking vehicle will have a stronger sense of braking feedback compare to ABS user. The right foot reaction to different level of brake pedal action is much precised then other driver. I however felt overwhelmed by the ABS reaction despite I drove tremendous amount of vehicle in my life. I do believe a person that familiar with ABS, they will rely too much on assistance. As & when ABS not present, the hard pedalling part will contribute to a major disaster due to wheels lock. I myself a stick & clutch worshiper, driving an auto car the brake pedal is always my concern. I tend to accidentally use my left foot to strike on the brake pedal when my left foot seeking for clutch action. I understand the common sense for driving an auto car the left foot should always glued to the foot rest. That is under normal driving circumstances, but in an unforeseen event, basic instant reaction will kick in subconciously as a result both feet will hit hard on the same pedal. My point is, a manual driver can drive an auto car with no problem. I believe in an emergency event, the same manual driver will react stupidly on a none ABS automactic vehicle. As for a usual ABS equiped vehicle driver, they'll most probably hit the brake hard and hoping for miracle. Whether GaGa ABS good or bad, but I have an entirely different perception & understanding of a car's braking capacity since yesterday incident. I drove more carefully today as I travel to work. I pay more attention to my right foot reaction as I'm reaching traffic red light. My press-depress on the brake pedal goes from soft, then stronger force to stop the car rapidly, then gradually release to cut down innertia to avoid vomit. As the car reach a standstill, my right foot automatically press hard to prevent the car rolling forth/backward. I appreciate our human body was built this way that all the basic reaction was controlled by the other part of the brain's logic thinking. If not for the incident, probably until now I have not realize pressing the brake pedal is another engineering subject. Ayam gonna cut a chicken & burn josstick later, tonight go church find a priest tok kok sing song. Thank God who look after my clumsy arse. QUOTE(iskazulka @ Mar 20 2013, 10:05 AM) cars with safety features make drivers overconfident with , causing dugong flying to the moon, maivee turtled etc. Do bear in mind that the vast majority of Gagas running around (except FLX Exec) don't have ABS |
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QUOTE(blau-saga @ Mar 20 2013, 10:39 AM) i've experienced locked rear wheel on motorcycle, on wet road. it's really a light tap on the brake and slightly uphill.. thankfully i regained control I always feel the horn can be a provocative tool. Don't use it unless absolutely necessary, only to prevent an accident, and never use it to vent frustration. today also, at federal highway got one indian guy driving saga, i've been following him slowly (100-110kmh) then he move to the middle lane, i speed up but he was racing me and as there's a car in the fast lane, i want to move to the other lane and can't see him, almost hit him. as i speed up to 170 and move ahead there's car in front of me, he might be angry and speed up on the slow lane and cut in front of me. i reflected to left, almost hit him and thank god, left lane is clear, caught up with him while i'm cutting between trailers.. i think i'm being and idiot for excessive honking that blm saga. we exit on the same exit and the traffic light was red, he purposely want to play with me, swaying left right and slow down, brake.. i keep distance.. he wen't out of his car and maki me, showing good and inverted good (bad), show me don't have balls. i don't know am i afraid or don't want to cause a mess.. i jz let him be. my conclusion.. i think i owe him, and i won't honk excessively ever 170 km/h on the Federal Highway? |
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 20 2013, 11:02 AM) If I drive alone I have a rather bad temper. A few days ago near the toll a Honda honked me out of nowhere and cut infront of me in the queue. Its not like he couldnt use the other lanes, he just thought his time was more important than mine. Wow. I really dunno what to say about that i honk kaw him back all the way into the toll booth, then show him the finger in his rear view mirror. After exiting the toll both I chase him down and showed him the finger again as I overtake him. To be honest it doesnt really make me feel better, but like I said, I am easily provoked when driving alone Maybe you should consider installing a DVR so you can upload and show the idiot's driving on Yiutiub For me, my primary motivation of staying cool behind the wheel is to avoid road rage. As long as no physical damage is done, just drive away and let the matter go. No need to provoke the other party into doing unpredictable things. |
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