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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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post Mar 27 2013, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ Mar 27 2013, 06:20 PM)
If leverage 50%, at wat age can a person effort to buy hse? Nt talking bout ppl from rich family or sponsored dp..

By the time u save the other 50%, do u think the hse will be at the same price?

Think again... unless u r cash rich or earning five figures monthly wic will allow u to save super fast... In average how many percentage of ppl even belong to this category.. Ntg wrong wif leveraging debt, but play safe.. nt to stretch too far..
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Then just buy a lower-priced property.
And take into consideration inflation and future price increase when you plan and starting to save the money.
We are too spoiled by the lower downpayment and long repayment scheme.
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post Mar 29 2013, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(White Skin Treasures @ Mar 29 2013, 02:18 PM)
Can I ask a stupid question? Hypothetically - what if the crash really happens, and market value slump by 30%,
- What the rich with holding power will do?
- What will the middle income fully leveraged will do?
- What will the down camp will do - for middle income group with average savings?
- Life goes on for the poor?
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Here's my 5 cents..

What the rich with holding power will do?
-Keep holding, or buy more. Mind you, they are not going to simply buy, but bargain hard like hell for value buy because they know they are in the position of strength. That's why they can become rich. So price wont shoot up again so soon.

- What will the middle income fully leveraged will do?
If fully-leveraged, then they will either go bankrupt, or forced to sell cheap cheap to avoid bankrupcy. And loss all those profits gained in the past five year.

- What will the down camp will do - for middle income group with average savings?
Err.. who told you down camp = middle income group with average savings? I know some down camp ppl with five figures income and holding a lot of cash waiting for value buys.
For those in middle income with average savings but not currently in debt, market slump 30% is good news. Can buy at 30% lower price wat..

- Life goes on for the poor?
For those really poor, they are not even in the market. Of coz life goes on. Maybe can get new neighbours at their flats from the second group above. rolleyes.gif




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post Apr 3 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 3 2013, 10:10 AM)
look like not many people like me to post my research on this Pr1ma.

I will keep all these newspaper cutting for my own information la.
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Actually bro, there is a full listing out on the Pr1Ma projects and its location.

Some are in prime locations like Putrajaya, Ara Damansara, Cheras and Subang Jaya.
I think many who BuyBlindBlind will be soon holding overpriced properties.. "got price, no market" kind of scenario in next few years..

This post has been edited by cockee: Apr 3 2013, 10:42 AM
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post Apr 3 2013, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Apr 3 2013, 09:53 PM)
haiz...now looking at the vote available in my hand, wondering which parties I should vote for, or just stay at home and watch the show. Sorry to said, I feel disappointed with the choice I made in 2008. And the property price has head to one direction which is "bubble" while most people just don't see it.
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Steven, look at the big picture. PR took over Selangor but had to face many resistant from the remainders of the old regime. they spent first two years just to dig out and clean up the shit left behind.
More importantly, without strong opposition we will not know about those mega corruption like pkfz and cowgate. At least PR is fighting on issues like Syabas and Lynas.
Do I think PR is all saints and infallible? No. But they are our weapon against a corrupt regime now. when PR starts to do nonsense, then we vote BN back in next GE. Check and balance.
As for property prices, I rather loss money in short or mid term, but earn back in long term from a healthy economy with less leakages.
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post May 9 2013, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ May 8 2013, 03:02 PM)
Material cost higher--> inflation-->workers demand for higher salary-->boss increase the raw materials price to offset this operation cost (material cost + salary)-->cost of building houses increase-->developer increase the housing price (although it is GST exempt supply).
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It seems like u guys are looking at Supply side only. Dont forget about the Demand side of the equation.
GST implemented -> lower disposable incomes -> lower ability to purchase properties.
It is a fallacy that increase in prices or material costs will results in higher wages. Most corporates will pass the increase onto consumers (again, decrease in disposable income). Yes, that includes property suppliers who would increase price to maintain their margin. But if the demand is shrinking, eventually the prices will go south.
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post May 10 2013, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ May 9 2013, 02:10 PM)
Population will increase and demand will increase, but demand increasing doesn't mean transactions also increase.... So many cases of people's loans being turned down supports this... so demand demand demand but not financial means to buy also no point... correction will need to happen in all categories of housing to meet the different income levels together with available supply and demand... then the market and prices is healthy. Approval rates consistently falling, so see how demand, with financial ability can convert to realisation.

Noticed a few 40 year loans too, especially from the younger group and not individuals but brothers and sisters joining... however, that will be their only purchase until maybe 10 years down the line or when they dispose of it and look for others... That just shows how saturated the local market is now... where the demand is coming from moving forward? not sure, foreign investment, doubt so... with all the negative media coverage on fraud and corruption, funds would likely leave to economies that are more certain in terms of policies.

Anyway see how it goes, chill, relax, in no rush...
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Agree with you.

While 'demand' for housing will always be there due to population growth, the 'realisable demand' on the price-transaction level is linked to affordability.
For example, the 'demand' for BMW 3 Series will always be higher than Kenari, but the 'realisable demand' is much lower. In layman's term, everyone wants but only few can afford. Same for properties.

Another argument is when the supply got too high the developers will stop building or built less. Works in theory, but in reality the supply will keep coming. most big developers are public listed companies. The pressure for public listed companies is not to make money, but to CONTINUE to make money. A flat revenue growth and profit can be disasterous to the share price. And many director's wealth are heavily linked to their share price. So die die they will try to build more and make more money until it really burst. By then they already cashed out, and the outsiders are the one burdened with 40 years debt. Then they collect back their shares at low prices, and starts the cycle again.

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