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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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Nikmon
post Mar 25 2013, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Mar 25 2013, 07:39 PM)
U are absolutely right!
I wouldn't mind or I shld say I wish...... I'm capable of owing bank 10mil, 50mil or even 100mil....  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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Let work together push it higher. rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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post Mar 25 2013, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Mar 25 2013, 02:52 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong on the following calculation....
140% Debts/Disposable Household Income
If Mr Z debt amt 300,000
Disposable Income = 300,000/1.4 = 214,285 (Annual income after Tax)
Mr Z monthly income = 214,285/12 = 17,857 (after tax)
300,000 monthly payment est 1,500, I'll round off to 2,000
Mr Z income for other expenses after debt payment monthly = 17,857 - 2,000 = 15,857

I'm not into economic study or whatsoever, jus wonder anything wrong on my calculation?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

And this does not included or concern on assets value too right? If the asset value 1,000,000 now?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Calculation looks fine but assumption that household consists of one person may not be true... .... Nice try though... Lol!!! Buy buy buy tomorrow prices going up... Hehe

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post Mar 25 2013, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Mar 25 2013, 08:37 PM)
Calculation looks fine but assumption that household consists of one person may not be true... .... Nice try though... Lol!!! Buy buy buy tomorrow prices going up... Hehe
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Does it make a difference in the calculation answer on different number of ppl???
Nice try..... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Mar 25 2013, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Mar 25 2013, 08:49 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
Does it make a difference in the calculation answer on different number of ppl???
Nice try.....  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Of course it does... But lazy want to explain la... Wasting my time lol!!! Buy buy faster buy... I'm hoping prices go up further and people buy more... Hehe...
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:08 PM

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Agree. Me also didn't care much about that data. But this is a road that we have not taken before. This alone enough to get my attention.

Yes, many economy data is not reliable but which one? At least there's no incentive to report thing like debts figure.

As a hobby in economics, I never trust GDP, CPI and any kind of forecast. But I do look into things like power consumption, debts, bond yield, trade data, ....... This info is not easy to manipulate as there is always a counter part available to cross check.

I need such info in timely manner as it help me in my investment other than property..... a lot of them I have to buy in from my own pocket....


QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Mar 25 2013, 07:00 PM)
I don't usually look into economy data... I dislike those data, and I usually don't trust those data.... tongue.gif
I done the calculation simply because I sees so many concern abt it, so I'm curious wat is so big deal abt those debt data..... So after my calculation, frankly I still don't see it as a big deal abt it.....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif it doesn't reflect a real problem...
That's why I also wants to clarify did I miss out anything in my calculation and assumption...... If there is nothing wrong on my calculation then it further affirm me those data is misleading and confusing....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Mar 25 2013, 07:22 PM)
No big deal, even zeti said not bubble. The data is important eventhoug u ignore it. It show the we are at the top, higher debt.  We should feel proud of it, and without your, malayasia can't make to the top.  rclxms.gif
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You worry too much, bro
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A coincidence story to share.

just chat with 2 different clients today as they still have some properties to off loading. Their props have been in the market for quite a while, I would categorized them as mansions due to the massive built up.

We shared our amazement about the boom property market recently that provide a once in a life time opportunity (we though so) to make tremendous profits selling at today's market (both of them over 50, most props bough min 6, 7 yrs ago). They are not DDD type (never indicate or say so) but I know for sure they sell more than buying recently. At the end of the conversation, both gentlemen felt owing his gratitude to the optimistic market that without it, they aware will never able to make such a handsome and easy profits which according to them, far greater than operating their own business (in percentage wise) minus headache and sleepless nights.

** both clients are already "on the shore" (not from property la), to be fair of sharing the stories. This is not a rare occasion, I meet quite a number of such seasoned businessman and investors with similar attitude to the current markets. No intention to prove who's right who's wrong, just to share as I find it quite amazing myself **


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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Mar 25 2013, 05:14 PM)
Aiyo.... Bullish is too strong a word to use ya.... And I hav never said tat.... We are not in court, don't try to put words into my mouth ya....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Thanks zuiko for explaining....
Frankly in general, MK large unit is tough to rent... But units as in 1-2 bedroom, u'll hav a larger choice of expat group.
Believe it or not.... 1 bedroom is really high demand along Jln Kkiara like I says earlier.... Tat is why the yield can be high.... And there is still more in depth detail why I say I-zen is good....
And still a strong YES to MK for long term potential.... As I mention b4, the good quality condo will be in strong demand 10-20 yrs later....
Jus to add, more quality local are really moving into MK... My left and right neighbor are locals too, both 2 bedroom size unit.....
Then tell me whats going wrong in Solaris Dutamas? The small units are as vacant as the bigger ones.
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post Mar 25 2013, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(foofy @ Mar 25 2013, 09:49 PM)
Developing country spent like a developed country... thumbup.gif
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Abang, Developing country have more spending power
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post Mar 25 2013, 10:30 PM

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sure or not?

QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:23 PM)
Abang, Developing country have more spending power
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post Mar 25 2013, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:12 PM)
Then tell me whats going wrong in Solaris Dutamas? The small units are as vacant as the bigger ones.
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My personal opinion,
1. Location
a. this place not really in Mont Kiara zone.
b. too near to the gov offices where u sees thousands of dispatch and others passing the place...
c. u think expat likes Mosque?
d. access, the easy access is from Jln duta, Jln Kuching side.... Although is so near to MK, but getting there through MK is not convenient at all...
2. Project - it hav quite numbers of small size units there.... So it's definitely competitive...
Lastly, I don't see the retail there is doing well in the day......

This post has been edited by AppreciativeMan: Mar 25 2013, 10:48 PM
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post Mar 25 2013, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:23 PM)
Abang, Developing country have more spending power
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:23 PM)
Abang, Developing country have more spending power
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er...sure or not?
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Depending on the election, Malaysia's growth story still has alot of room for expansion.

When consumption increases, GDP increases. One of the best way to increase consumption is via Debt money. Developers will join in to woo more people taking debt money. The challenging part is to woo the Mass Bumiputera segment... and is pretty high credit risk as well.

Malaysia generally (not just KL) is alarmed with high supply rate vs demand rate now. Somebody needs to do some checks.

Btw more projects are coming... (a new list of upcoming 20 more projects just arrived onto my hands... will post the threads when more info - i.e. a new apartment project near Jalan Imbi and today's announced TRC-Prasarana Soho, condo, shopping mall project in Ara Damansara)

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What I got is:

- There are over 60 active projects on mall alone in KV which is going on now ex. those in the pipeline (approval obtained)

- In JB/Iskandar alone, again stress, not Johor, JB/Iskandar alone! The approval in pipeline is nearly 100. I didn't believe initially but the guy is an AR based in JB. later on, came across a friend who recently venture into small project nearby and doubt the figure. He said it is under-counted. rclxub.gif Then when I speculated it must be helped by Singaporean, he refuted it and said most buyers are Johorean. Singaporean buyers said him, not that many as commonly believe..... though both statement is from the street, not statistic. but the euphoric feeling is strong felt.


QUOTE(accetera @ Mar 26 2013, 01:25 AM)
Depending on the election, Malaysia's growth story still has alot of room for expansion.

When consumption increases, GDP increases. One of the best way to increase consumption is via Debt money. Developers will join in to woo more people taking debt money. The challenging part is to woo the Mass Bumiputera segment... and is pretty high credit risk as well. 

Malaysia generally (not just KL) is alarmed with high supply rate vs demand rate now. Somebody needs to do some checks.

Btw more projects are coming... (a new list of upcoming 20 more projects just arrived onto my hands... will post the threads when more info - i.e. a new apartment project near Jalan Imbi and today's announced TRC-Prasarana Soho, condo, shopping mall project in Ara Damansara)
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QUOTE(accetera @ Mar 26 2013, 01:25 AM)
Depending on the election, Malaysia's growth story still has alot of room for expansion.

When consumption increases, GDP increases. One of the best way to increase consumption is via Debt money. Developers will join in to woo more people taking debt money. The challenging part is to woo the Mass Bumiputera segment... and is pretty high credit risk as well. 

Malaysia generally (not just KL) is alarmed with high supply rate vs demand rate now. Somebody needs to do some checks.

Btw more projects are coming... (a new list of upcoming 20 more projects just arrived onto my hands... will post the threads when more info - i.e. a new apartment project near Jalan Imbi and today's announced TRC-Prasarana Soho, condo, shopping mall project in Ara Damansara)
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looking forward to the TRC project write-up.
Thanks for sharing.
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post Mar 26 2013, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 25 2013, 11:23 PM)
Abang, Developing country have more spending power
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wow....

this is the best comment for me in 2013 in property lowyat.net
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Mar 26 2013, 08:18 AM)
wow....

this is the best comment for me in  2013 in property lowyat.net
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In some ways true.

Judging by the crisis hitting Europe and the US, we middle class Asians actually have it better than than them.
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post Mar 26 2013, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Mar 26 2013, 08:37 AM)
In some ways true.

Judging by the crisis hitting Europe and the US, we middle class Asians actually have it better than than them.
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Just like leading and lagging indicators, the effects are lagging on us... In a way, its advantageous to us that precautionary steps before we experience the same as the developed countries. However, bolehland being bolehland lol... you know I know enough la...

Developing countries more spending power... LOL!!!! Aisey... really need to invest in education man... LOL!!!!

This post has been edited by Rooney1985: Mar 26 2013, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Mar 25 2013, 02:52 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong on the following calculation....
140% Debts/Disposable Household Income
If Mr Z debt amt 300,000
Disposable Income = 300,000/1.4 = 214,285 (Annual income after Tax)
Mr Z monthly income = 214,285/12 = 17,857 (after tax)
300,000 monthly payment est 1,500, I'll round off to 2,000
Mr Z income for other expenses after debt payment monthly = 17,857 - 2,000 = 15,857

I'm not into economic study or whatsoever, jus wonder anything wrong on my calculation?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

And this does not included or concern on assets value too right? If the asset value 1,000,000 now?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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140% is way too high.

Have a look here.

The debt service ratio is very high at 47.8% in 2010.

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