Dude, 50% return in less than 1 week also got - don't need to brag about 60% return in 4 months. Those are mostly penny stocks though.

How many blue chip can go up 60% in 4 months? Not too many (although there are, to be sure).

That is king of flipper but not showing and at the same time keep buying and selling while still being in DDD camp. I thought if in DDD camp, one believes that price will go down, hence not interested in buying until price goes down? Huhuhu

helo...kid, i ve been in investment long enuf..once upon of time, my gamuda warrant double up in less thn 2 months but nothing to shout about. how is your pslv?

both stocks and property would have extreme sucess cases and also failure cases.

joe might earn a decent 9% x 4 x 3 = 108% return. but 108% return based on consistently achieving 9% roi 4 times a year for three straight years.

worgen's scenario is based on 300k to 600k. 100% return in 3 years. but if recalculated based on cash down, it's 300k/30k = 1000% return.

but of course, there are cases of stocks gaining >30% in a day too.

btw, hav you heard power of leveraging? but dun get burned mang...

This post has been edited by worgen: May 23 2013, 10:18 AM

thats what puzzled me.

btw how is ur pslv? i m impressed with ur choice of stocks..

what so big deal until need to announce here?

I have make a paper gain of >55% too on gamuda warrant in less than 15 months.

Do I need to act like some up up up camp challenge people? got steel ball la this and that la.

be mature some up up up camp kid.








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you are only hiding in dn dn dn camp. good that you exposed ur profit so that 9% is nothing to even mentioned about.

mr. accountant, mind sharing how you derive the 55% profit and duration of 15 months?
or the attachment has got nothing to do with your posting?
not well verse with shares. please share share, k?

can we stop all this share things?

go ask your remiser.

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you are cute.

Bias view~~sinz u have already owned 2 properties~~

Anyway I am not an expert in property market, below are just my 2 cents based on the basic supply and demand theory~~

Typical Malaysian (in KL to be specific) may find it hard to cope with the current property prices, this is why it makes property below 500k is very attractive and were taken up at an insanely fast speed. Property over 500k is hot as well due to speculation/investment PLUS EXTERNAL DEMAND which is fuelling the higher end market. The demand SEEMS to be good (if not crazy)~~

But banks are slowly closing their tap, getting more stringent in the approval process, more reject loan cases happened, not a healthy sign for demand

At the fundamental level, actual citizens who are really moving into the new property is rather low and slow. If you look at the threads posted here, the occupancy rate for new condos, like scott garden, G-residence, Zest or even Setia Walk some what worries me, after one year still below 70%?

On the supply side, developer are taking advantage of the increasing property price, most of them were RUSHING for new projects, supply is plenty and sales is good, project financing is not a big problem. The downside is that, most of them were aiming for higher end market with prices above RM500k, again, foreigners (external demand) can buy these units upfront with basically no obstacles, sales seems to be no problem again and hence more high end construction, units are getting smaller in order to squeeze more revenue from the piece of land.

At the wider market, China is slowing down, USA is recovering slower than expected, Japan suffering due to strong yen, Europe in never ending deep shit, the macro outcome does not seems good. External demand may be limited in the near future.

My conclusion:-
With supply increasing and fundamental demand unable to catch up, if the external demand is, weaken / stopped / regulated then the effect on local market might be great. Local demand is strong for lower end property where working class is struggling to get one. Higher end ones, how many of you are actually buying for own use? Some say rental market in KL is growing, but the supply is even more.

Therefore, with all the above, I believe we are moving towards the property bubble… but of course no one can predict when it will happen, some mentioned it years ago and it never happen and prices continue to grow. But if all this unhealthy event continues, the dooms day wont be very far off.

As a new property owner, I do hope the prices will maintain and grow at a reasonable rate and not the current booming rate.

This post has been edited by terryble: May 23 2013, 02:38 PM

300k gain?
RGPT not required to pay?
Early loan settlement penalty + interests costs not required to pay?
S&P, agent fee, plus plus not required to pay?

And guaranteed the home will cost 600k in 3 years? What makes you so sure it won't turn into another Kampung Medan or Flora Damansara?

You are comparing actual realised gains with wild predictions of ideal situations. In one case, it's 9% in pocket, guaranteed. The other case, someone's fantasy of what things could be like in 3 years based on their prediction.

Do tell me which is more preferable.

what do u espect words from same groups?

he also forgot.( beside above)

not able to sleep at night

and have to forgone time for vacation, no time to play with kids, entertainment, sex, spend time in office ( resulted not getting that increment/ bonus) on lowyat, propertywtf etc.. ----> keyboard guy to convince others property always up up up, keow tiau uncle can earn 10k, teacher 20 k, malaysian still cheap compare singapore...calling people tic tac, checking people backside....and login zuiko, etec & logout for another accounts here.

This post has been edited by tikaram: May 23 2013, 01:00 PM

wao....
u got insider info?
very envy.

boss, while your scenario maybe quite realistic and achievable, but who's to say worgen's scenario might be equally possible as well.
when i illustrated the scenario, i was assuming that a stock investor would be consistently realising 9% gain each quarter for three years straight.
while not impossible but no easy feat as well.

assuming worgen's scenario was flawed and 300k gross profit is now reduced to say 90k net profit. that would still give a 300% return. and over 3 years cocr, it's still 100%.

of course chances of stocks getting burnt and property getting abandon is still there for both scenarios lah.

btw, rpgt? i think most investors would gladly pay. that only means they are making money.
early settlement penalty? some has it, some don't. again, it's only a percentage of the loan amount. can i treat it as % commission to brokers?
interests cost? again it's a small percentage. and if there's DIBS, there goes the cost.
S&P, agent fee, etc. yes. agreed. must pay. hence reduce gross profit to net profit.

again, am not advocating which is better, which is not.
most super wealthy people made their millions from shares, and not properties.
warren definitely did so.

funny... i always thought monitoring shares movement is more stressful and time consuming compared to monitoring properties investment.
guess i am wrong.

sure you are wrong.

you already said u are "not well verse with shares" and "most super wealthy people made their millions from shares, and not properties."

This post has been edited by tikaram: May 23 2013, 02:09 PM