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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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post Apr 18 2013, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Apr 18 2013, 08:39 PM)
Join us in the Gold investment thread for gold discussion. Here is property discussion

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry59765763
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is ah debt gor active there? tongue.gif
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post Apr 18 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:04 PM)
not so fast lo....just ge fever nia...real one haven't come.. but Najib announcement for the 150k-300k house ready put a real fear into the property market.
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post Apr 18 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Apr 18 2013, 11:17 PM)
enough to put fear dude. there already a few example they make it, for example the second bridge. when they are afraid, they will try whatever ways to make it. BN cony also hope to continue to have business..
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after 56years, some still dont learn. sad.

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post Apr 19 2013, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Apr 19 2013, 12:34 AM)
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif Wow, I didn't I'm so popular here and so many supporters call my name!

Ok, back to business, regarding gold, I think we have seen enough blood among the leverage community. How many times I have said, when dealing with precious metal, you cannot touch margin unless you have deep pocket.

Don't try to explain why gold/silver plunged, I told you they are being manipulated. Holding gold is against the central bankers in the west, they can manipulate a market in the short term, but not in the long term as they never succeeded in history.

Look at the sentiment, the investment public is so bearish on gold, and the mainstream media is talking down gold everyday. Remember the rules? A bull market begins when everyone is fearful and all leveraged hands have been flushed out, I believe the secular bull trend will continue and the cyclical bull market will begin sooner rather than later.

Gold price is down like -30% from the peak, but remember gold price plunged -50% in the mid 70s and went up 800% after that, and it felt -34% in 2008 from the peak, and now the price are doubled since then.

If you can't live with the volatility, don't get involved in the gold/silver markets, go to bed instead.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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one would not want to be popular for the wrong reason. kekeke.
blowjobs is buying gold and catching a falling knife. what is your advice for him? buy, sell or wait? are you buying more now? i want to start to buy gold too. tongue.gif
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post Apr 19 2013, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Apr 19 2013, 08:39 AM)
it was on the tv yesterday. check the newspaper today.
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post Apr 19 2013, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 19 2013, 09:35 AM)
You got no investment strategy, maturity or money to play in Precious Metals market.

Stick to trolling forums, boy. That one more suitable for you.  smile.gif
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yea. i dont make money fr gold or geneva investment. making money only warrant, 0ptions and properties.me no money to play in metals market. what impressed me is your investment strategy. buying in bear run going against trend, your averaging strategy, the more it drop, the more you buy. two hands up. maybe you got loads of money to use this impressive strategies. hope not jz another blowjobs fr you. BUy BLind bLinD. tongue.gif

blow harder MAng, blows$$$...

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post Apr 19 2013, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 19 2013, 09:30 AM)
i like your quote "BBBlind" and "greater fool".
I can only say "good luck to u".
I won't give 100 reason or excuse to say this and that, I'm just simple; make money or loose money!
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he will sure win if he use averaging method. ask blowjobs if you got any doubt in this strategy. tongue.gif
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post Apr 19 2013, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 19 2013, 10:09 AM)
Of course. Smart investor like Warren Buffet buy the fear and sell the greed.

Small timer like you buy at the peak and sell at the trough. That's why you still trolling forums. You got a lot to learn, kid.  laugh.gif
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i m jz a small fry. not sure bout you if you are comparable to Warren Buffet who got the money the manipulate the market. for small fry like me will never goes against trend. yeah, really new to me on your averaging strategy, the more it drop, the more you buy in down trending bearish market. stll long way for me to learn. thanks for revealing and sharing this great strategy. by the way, have you really buy any gold recently whn it drop to usd1360?have you preach what you strongly opinionated? hope you are not another tic tac here.
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post Apr 19 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(foofy @ Apr 19 2013, 10:45 AM)
he bought majority shares and control the management of the companies. that is a big different from small fry like you
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i m jz a small fry. earning some profit fr investment and now start learning gold investment fr debt gor and blowjobs. any warren buffet here? are you?
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post Apr 21 2013, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 20 2013, 12:48 AM)
Gold is probably a better investment than landed prop - unless you can afford to buy cash.

Assume RM100k base investment.

Option A) Use RM100k to invest into gold.
Option B) Use RM100k as downpayment to buy a RM1M landed prop and rent out + cap appreciation.k

Option A) = no return except based on cap appreciation. Costs? Low to none, if you keep at home, low cost if you keep it in the Bank (safe deposit).

Option B) = cashflow negative return, so basically you hope for cap appreciation if you want any form of return until the 30 year loan period is up.
Costs?
1) Homeowner insurance.
2) Taxes (cukai pintu, cukai tanah, etc)
3) Maintenance
4) Management fees.


Basically your costs are a lot more than gold and to top it off you get taxes if you sell < 5 years (RPGT).

In both cases your only form of return (within the medium term) is in cap gains.

For gold - further advantages:
a) It is easily transferrable. If touch wood you go bankrupt, just transfer the gold to your family member and no one may be the wiser assuming you do it well. Property? Don't think the bank is stupid.
b) It is portable. If ever you need to leave the country in a hurry, 1 kg of gold is light, concealable and easily brought even on a flight. How are you going to bring your DSTH with you?
c) It can be hid. In a worst case scenario, dig a hole in your garden one midnight and bury the gold - dig it up later. Can you do that with prop? No way Jose.

So yeah, I'd rather buy gold when its low than props when its high.
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buy gold or property? find out fr ddd camp.
can gold investment beat his profit? and beat his joY-menT rclxm9.gif ?
pls judge yourself.
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post Apr 22 2013, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 21 2013, 11:31 PM)
Sorry that was a mistake on MSFT. I apologize for it. Anyway, the share price has barely budged from 2007 (although if you'd bought in 2008 after the crash you'd be in the money). If you bought in 2007 it's more or less dead money barring the dividends.

Yes Intel has not performed well over the last 5 years. So has Citibank btw.

Again, I'm not saying blue chip shares are a bad investment - I own some as well (just bought AAPL too at $415). Just that no asset class is safe from ups and downs - and that includes property.
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bought AAPL at $415? typo error or wat?
bro, are you shorting AAPL stock?
your investment strategies really amazed me.

look at the chart.

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post Apr 22 2013, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 22 2013, 02:11 PM)
Yep. I buy low sell high.

Perhaps you prefer to buy at $600 when the chart shows long uptrend and then get caught and lose 30%? Like how you advise people to buy property now?

PS: Shorting the stock when Price/Book value is 2.9, the lowest in over 5 years......now THAT is an amazing investment strategy. Do you always advise people to buy at the top and short at the bottom?  doh.gif
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fren, how to buy low sell high on a bearish stock? of many bullish uptrend stocks, you choose a bearish stock. maybe you shld attend a stock seminar to understd the chart. thn you would not buy aapl at this moment. Good Luck mang if you can make money fr aapl.

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post Apr 22 2013, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(soules83 @ Apr 22 2013, 02:34 PM)
I think joe is put instead of call, he is actually earning from the fall... don't forget this is a US market.
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not put option. bought aapl at $415. and buy low sell high strategy. try to spot the lowest of a bearish stock.
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post Apr 22 2013, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Apr 22 2013, 02:47 PM)
@worgen

Probably you can try stop sarcastic joeblows. Don't judge from a book from it's cover, anyone could be our guru.

Honestly from investment point of view, joeblows just had higher risk appetite then others, nothing right or wrong. He could be right, as market may rebound, or may going down again. Some expert advise to buy step by step over the bullish market.

No one can accurately predict stock market. All about knowledge, experience, behavior, brave in investment market.
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ok, let him test his new kamikaze strategy & goes against the trend. wish him all the best. thumbup.gif

jz look at nasdaq compare to aapl.

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post Apr 22 2013, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(soules83 @ Apr 22 2013, 02:45 PM)
woah......and ouch... hopefully iphone 6 or ipad 5 release soon. If released at least can gain back some.
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thn he will strike lottery too. any way, buy property, gold or stocks? he still choose gold and stocks in bearish style.
i like. thumbup.gif

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post Apr 22 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 22 2013, 09:12 AM)
Not sure bout intel but citi has landed me more than RM500k in ue specific 5 yrs. Just curious, is ur citi and my citi referring to the same DJI citi???
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is this citi? thn i believe you can make money.


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QUOTE(hokin @ Apr 27 2013, 10:27 AM)
I hope you are saying I am saying you are a traitor. I was merely stating that previously you were accused of betraying the DDD camp when you wanted to purchase a property, which you informed later that the deal did not go through. I was not the one who said you betrayed the DDD camp.

I do not belong to the DDD or BBB camps, I consider myself an independent in the current political speak.  biggrin.gif

No offence meant and non intended...just wanting to put some humour to the thread only.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Happy weekend everyone!
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Pls buy quietly. But dont blind blind buy. laugh.gif

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post Apr 27 2013, 10:08 PM

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Good news for ah dern and ddd camp!

More affordable homes at RM350,000 coming soon Get Daily Property News in Malaysia, News Powered by PropertyGuru Malaysia

Apr 26, 2013 - PropertyGuru.com.my

More affordable houses will be available, especially within the Klang Valley, as developers are expected to design smaller houses priced around RM350,000 each, according to CH William Talhar and Wong Managing director Foo Gee Jen.

Foo said findings of the report showed that landed residential property are still in demand, with average prices predicted to increase 10 percent to 15 percent this year. Overall, transacted residential properties last year stood at 272,669 worth RM67.80 billion.

“This is a good reflection in the stability of the residential market as this sector makes up almost 70 percent of the entire property market. In 2012, we saw a drop in volume of residential units but a rise in value,” he said.

However, outlook for condominiums was not as strong as residential, with occupancy and rental rates in Kuala Lumpur slowing down.

In 2012, luxury condominium occupancy rate was only 67 percent.

Foo noted that scarcity of land led to developments of more SoHo units. Although they gained favourable take up rate, concerns arise on the actual usage of units.

“The owners of older residential and condominiums are facing difficulties attracting tenants as most people can afford to rent new places at the same rate as these secondary units. Landlords need to upgrade their units with more facilities and increase the aesthetic value of their areas.”

With the 2012 stable office occupancy rate in the Klang Valley at 87 percent, he added that the property market might experience an oversupply of office space as the sector is expecting another 5.6 million sq ft coming up this year.



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post Apr 27 2013, 10:12 PM

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Smaller house i.e.

700sf @ RM500psf = RM350,000

This is affordable!!
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post Apr 27 2013, 10:39 PM

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could it be 500sf @ RM700psf = RM350,000?

how small is a smaller houses?

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