if only there was moonlight butterfly effect parts....

but on the positive note tey do provide the cow

Ground type was constructed using left over spare parts of rx78 after its mass production project had been halted in favor or gm. Ground type was made for testing purposes; no upgrades or new luna titanium armor were intended, whatever left over rx78 parts will be their spares/repairs hence the luna titanium armor was only fitted to certain vital areas to spread it around across 20 different units.

The ez-8 was a custom version of ground type, it was made after shiro's ground type was trashed beyond repair; considering the circumstances that they r in its presumable that tey made ez-8 with everything that tey had hence it has better armors

No thats just GundamGuy wishes. He would like to see a teaser/hint, that didn't came from Bandai/Shizouka Hobby show themselves.

sazabi is more likely.

given its proven popularity + success of nu ver ka got ppl hyped up for sazabi. In terms of guarantee sales figures sazabi trumps kshatriya. Char is more popular then marida. Sazabi has less technological challenge then kshatriya hence its easier to design. Just a mere simple picture of sazabi in gft building is already enuf to cause zeon fanbois to wet their pants and declared bandai their overlord master.

taking all the above points, if u r bandai u will lean towards sazabi as well.

ofcuz all of these is mere speculation and the possibility of it being something else is there, but its slim. Just dun get ur hopes up.

We already hav those, its call MG.

The main draw of RG is introducing innerframe to 1/144 scale, by which the 1/100 MG already did years b4. RG is for ppl hu wanted more from HG but do not hav the space or unwilling to pay for MG. There is no RG features that MG cant reproduce.

From my eyes MG is on par if not better in some categories then RG so why on earth would Bandai revolutionize MG to follow in RG footsteps? That will be a step backwards or at best no changes...... I dun understand why ppl keep clamoring on RG 1/100 (not on just this forum but others as well) when MG already fulfill that role and doing it better in some areas then RG.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I for 1 am not overly fond of the massive panel lines and decal overload. Appearance is arbitrary and u cant attribute it as a plus or minus. Also MG has been in the market for ages, u said RG has more parts separation then MG, well of cuz since most MG r develop b4 RG. If u talk bout which line has more details, better tech, advancement, restriction, limitation, what it can and cant do, etc u hav to take both kit of similar age and compare. There is no point comparing early 2000s MG with RG now do we? Its like comparing new Lamborghini with old 50s Ferrari, of cuz the new Lambo has more stuff in it it not a fair fight, u hav to compare it with new Ferrari to make out the difference.

and as u hav said nu ver ka (new MG) is already like current RG so u agree that MG tech is no difference the RG, and in some ways better when it pertains to the innerframe.

so whats so revolutionary about making MG like RG when a kit released 5 months ago already has such a features, and r better in some areas?

i understand where u r coming from but if this is the case then this revolution tagline is abit out of date then.

lightweight ps innerframe has been in use since December last year 1st started by nu and has since been in use by tallgeese, stein, sinanju, jesta and rezel. It'll probably be use from here on out
multiple color tone has been in use since December last year 1st started by nu and has since been in use by tallgeese, and rezel.
tons pf parts separation has been in use since December last year 1st started by nu and has since been in use by the currently only new design in tallgeese and jesta, understandably since the rest r repeat of past model.

if the revolution is pertaining to the above then isn't the tagline abit too late?

All new line starts with rx-78. Its the face of the series, its the most recognizable design, its the most sold design by far, its the most popular design by far, its the most famous design by far, a gundam is not a gundam unless it has similar facial features like rx-78, its an icon in an industry, it a safe bet. If u r Bandai u would do the same, business 101.

Bandai is not omnipotent tey cant turn off the law of physic whenever tey like. Big backpack offset center of gravity, by design a big backpack is nvr going to be balance ur hoping for the impossible. To giv u an example, try carrying 2 huge travelers bag fill with stuff to the brim and report back how ur spine feels. Also u hav to emulate a model kit by not cheating and shifting the weight forward and u must remain still. Good Luck.....

also ex-s problem is not just the backpack.

pre build frame is not exclusively for RG nor was it debuted in RG, it was adopted from ver 1.5. Hardly new, surprisingly small yes but not revolutionary and frankly if MG adoptable it it'll be a regression not progression.

i've said it b4 and i'll say it again, pre build innerframe is not an advancement..... its a regression.

such a tech is not new, its been done b4 on ver 1.5 why on earth will u wan it in a new kit? The only reason RG is using it is bcuz tey hav no choice, if tey can make functional proper innerframe that hav to be manually build in that scale i bet u tey will dump that pre build innerframe without a moment of hesitation.

1. U cant standardize its use, diff model hav diff in universe height. Some r 25m some r 15m how r u gonna make up for the missing 10m? If u gonna ignore this height and make it standard across the range then it wont be 1/100 scale model kit anymore. If u r gonna compensate it by adding some extension (dumb idea more moving parts = more unstable) then why do u bother making it standardize in the 1st place?

2. There r already similar range of product line as the above description, why would Bandai introduce something so similar to cannibalize its own market?

3. MG is the preferred line for customization due to its size and it comes in gazillion of individual pieces for easier customization. Can u chop off an RG arm n implant it on others? MG can to a certain extend bcuz we can take the frame apart and make it work. We can chop it off, put in suitable joint, kitbash it, resin base, paint it in rainbow, u name it. Keyword here is flexibility, im not talking bout structural flexibility here im talking bout customization flexibility.

what advantage does a single pre build frame has on a technical level? Easier and time saving its all personal level thats not advancement thats appeasement.

exactly, all these single frame RG styling etc is superficial. On a technical level what does it had over the existing ones that r so grand that u can put a revolution tag over it? All the ideas so far is not even customization friendly which is the bread and butter of MG....

when tey say revolution u expect it to be something new never b4 seen. All of the ideas so far is old and had been use b4 on MG no less. If this is how tey r going for then this revolution tag is a misnomer, might as well called it recycle.

i like ur "big" idea, and to give more fuel to it the new final boss of unicorn is big (how big dunno but it is big as seen in epi6). Currently MG line is not big friendly, if Bandai wanted to milk UC (u know tey will) going big is the way to go since whats left from UC is big, Kshatriya, new big boss, shambloo, sazabi. Also novel and msv is filled with big kits, nightingale, xi, mk-v, all r fans favorite. Going big is a logical choice.

Which goes back to my point no3. In the end of the day, what does such a frame offer that warrant it to replace the current frame? Is it more flexible in term of customization possibilities? No. Is it more sturdy? No. Is it less fragile? No. Is it more complex to build? No. Is it more detailed? No. If it offers non of the above then why would Bandai spend money and time developing something that add no real value to its product?

Not to mention the new ps frame is paint friendly and its being heavily marketed as such. Using single pre build frame is the opposite of paint friendly. Why would Bandai develop ps frame, use it for 5 months and then run contrary to what it heavily hyped?

Are u saying to have an inner inner frame (aka skeleton) follow by regular inner frame (lets called it muscle for comparison) followed by outer armor? That will be interesting, however u still have a fundamental problem when it comes to painting.

Whenever u paint a movable object u should disassemble it and paint it parts by parts so that u don miss a spot. No matter what the system u r trying, the bottom line is if its moving and u cant take it apart, when u paint u will never cover the whole thing perfectly. When u bend it around u'll expose the unpainted layer. If u go and paint that, it'll be uneven. If u leave that alone it'll stick out like a sore thumb. If u bend it 1st b4 painting it then the other side will be unpainted and goes back to problem no1. Defeating the purpose of painting in the 1st place hence paint unfriendly.

Its not armor against frame, since when that has been a problem? Armor pieces and frame pieces comes separately we can paint it separately. Keyword here separately, what u r proposing with this single frame pieces is every frame is molded into 1, all moving pieces is inside preassembled and u cant remove it. U dun c the problem with that?

If u paint the expose part, when u move it around the unpainted unexpose portion will now be expose...... U dun seem to understand this, let me illustrate it for u:


Also since when we r not suppose to paint the inner frame? If u hav a SF with puke gold do u to just suck it up and live with it or do u improve it? This whole "don't think bandai really wants us to paint the whole inner frame" argument is not valid ever since tey release ps frame that r meant to be paint friendly. U think Bandai will dump this in just 5 month on the shelf?

Also since when spending time on a kit hindered any of us from buying more? If thats the case the backlogs wouldn't hav existed in the 1st place now would tey if every1 buys only after they completed their kit.

This post has been edited by TheAdmiral: May 15 2013, 11:04 AM

1. then why bother developing single frame if u meant for it to be disassemble? Bandai not gonna waste money on this when existing 1 already fulfill this role.

2. panting whole panting partially is not the point, the very fact that if u cant disassemble it and cant paint it separately leads to the circle part. If u make it disassemble able then goes back to point no1. Also u buying SF or not is not an issue, im talking in general.

3. whats there to boost when the market dun really care about completion time? Finish or not ppl will still buy things that tey like. Finish or not ppl will not buy things that tey dun like. Where does time come in this equation?

This post has been edited by TheAdmiral: May 15 2013, 11:35 AM

majority and minority argument? Ok let me counter with the following:

Current frame design satisfy both oob builder and custom builder.
Single frame design satisfy only oob builder. May i ask which design holds the majority here?

No doubt this system is good on RG, but do u know why it was use in the 1st place? Its cuz tey hav no choice, assembling things at 1/144 is small enuf, building innerframe manually will be too small and the plastic will be too fragile this approach is understandable. MG however is on a different scale, u can afford thicker plastic. Nobody complains its too complex to build, so why make it simpler when there is no reason for it? RG is a revolution in the 1/144 scale no doubt, however it is not anything new in 1/100. MG caters to all modelers. U wan oob ok good just follow instruction, if u wan custom build ok no problem parts are separate u wan paint it cut it do as u wish. Therein lies the different. Ur single frame proposal prohibits customization. U still think such a system is an advancement?

This post has been edited by TheAdmiral: May 15 2013, 03:26 PM

yes true, small MG exist that r along the line of HG size and tey hav separate innerframe but is it any good? Victory is notorious for being flimsy, to the point where Bandai decided to put V2 on hold. Surely u don want a flimsy RG? i kno i dun. Crossbone same issue.

yes if a person dun like it he will mod it this statement is true but what im saying is single frame system hindered it somewhat. When u r proposing for an advancement u will ofcuz state ur case on how much more improve it is over the previous 1 am i right? Improvement over 1 area while hindering another is not really an improvement at all. Its just give an take, so what improvement does single frame gives that made it superior over separate self build frame? If u hav a car that is fast and reliable, u hav a new method to make a car even faster yet it became unreliable is this an improvement in general?

yes Bandai is expending their cust base, tey always were. However there already exist stuff that caters to such cust. U wan simplicity ok we hav HG. U wan small size and yet retain complexity we hav RG, u wan complexity and detailness regardless of size u hav PG, u wan in between u hav MG. Altering a line to suite customer is basically shooting ownself in the foot, and tey already does to a certain extend with regards to MG and PG, tey r so similar that in some model the MG is superior to the PG. We do not wan this to happen with regards to RG and MG, both line hav its own value, both line has its own customer base. Making 1 so similar to another just further dilute 1 line in favor of other.

GundamGuy had a readable translation up.

No mention of RG whatsoever. What it talks about is nu ver ka sliding armor gimmick showed off the new technology and potential of Gunpla. New 3.0 is made consolidating all these improvement, improving articulation and offers more range of movement.

Ok this is what i think it is, we all know some kits hav bad articulation but not bcuz of the joint but bcuz of armor design. Case in point the new Jesta, the knee hav good articulation actually but the calf armor is hindering it, to overcome this Jesta uses a sliding mechanism to give the joint more space to move around with. Same thing with most shoulder, nu ver ka overcame this by pulling the shoulder out giving more space to swing forward (awkwardly yes but it does the job). This is probably what they meant since tey emphasize and repeat the term articulation in almost every sentences.

So all these single frame is probably not gonna happen, rendering our discussion moot.

not really. Bandai dun really hav a pattern when it comes to announcing kits. Some 2/3 months away only announce, some way b4 already announce.

for example tey announces Age FX and Age 3 last year, dun remenber when but definitely at the same time when nu, tallgeese, stein and jesta was announce and projected to be release this year (assuming that has not been canceled already ). So assuming sazabi is a december release thats like 7 months away, about the same time span projected for Age FX and Age 3.

FAU was 2 years ago, December is traditionally ver ka happy time / big & pricey month / wallet crying season so sazabi being a december kit is not too far fetch.

fx and 3 may not even made it to the shelf. Not everything that had been announce made it, remember gnx-iv, that dragon thingy in age, all the other g fighter MGs, etc etc. It doesn't surprise me if both were canceled.

those cape suit from frozen teardrops r not made by Bandai. It was just a display item, i thought every1 knew of this already? Besides the novel was so crappy its borderline fanfic, it has fallen out of favor and now Bandai r more into GoTD.

This post has been edited by TheAdmiral: May 16 2013, 10:00 AM