actually i'm thinking the concept maybe something like RG BUT for 1/100 of course it should come with detailed inner armor parts which can be attached to the "skeleton" (this term shd be used to describe RG's "innerframe" as it's confusing).
the skeleton itself may still be pre-build.. and with the extra armor parts, it won't sacrifice detail & painting opportunities at all.

i thikn it is possible, which that is RG lack of. (well i actually dont care for that as a snap fitter)

what i'm hoping for in the 3.0 would be higher amount of parts and detailing, so easier painting and more fulfilling build.. anyway let's step away from RG.. it's MG time.. plus we can't quite seem to agree on the issue

and winning statement from gundamguy blog in response to RX-78 3.0



This post has been edited by HxiiiK: May 14 2013, 04:02 PM

so what? does this "innovation" means no MG Sazabi V2 possibilities anymore? !!

Just random post... Share.. ..



RX78-2 Ver 3.0

This post has been edited by ascentic: May 14 2013, 04:39 PM

Are u saying to have an inner inner frame (aka skeleton) follow by regular inner frame (lets called it muscle for comparison) followed by outer armor? That will be interesting, however u still have a fundamental problem when it comes to painting.

Whenever u paint a movable object u should disassemble it and paint it parts by parts so that u don miss a spot. No matter what the system u r trying, the bottom line is if its moving and u cant take it apart, when u paint u will never cover the whole thing perfectly. When u bend it around u'll expose the unpainted layer. If u go and paint that, it'll be uneven. If u leave that alone it'll stick out like a sore thumb. If u bend it 1st b4 painting it then the other side will be unpainted and goes back to problem no1. Defeating the purpose of painting in the 1st place hence paint unfriendly.

i still have a ver ka RX-78-2 not assembled sleeping in his box and now his big brother 3.0 are gonna be released..
nevermind, I will give it a miss..

Bandai no need innovation innovation laa use that time to release more mg still waiting for arios , thrones and gang

when i see 'allowing armor pieces to move along with the inner frame' i instantly think hot toys level of articulation and engineering, where they manage to hide the ugly joints to keep the surface of the figure clean and detailed.. wondering how they are going to pull off what they said, maybe sliding armor pieces that stack up or hides somewhere when the leg is straight and pulls out along the joint to hide it while moving the joints? something like a sliding partition wall concept?

still hoping bandai will see the error of their ways and give us MG DX!

This post has been edited by HxiiiK: May 14 2013, 11:12 PM

hmm.. easy. just paint the exposed parts like elbow/knee/ankle joint, those has less contact/friction with the armors, and for the inner armor it won't be visible anyway unless modeller does battle damage diorama or somethin'.. (possible improvement to being paint-friendly maybe spacing the armors away from the moving parts, but we don't see any description of the 3.0 release about being paint-friendly.. :/)
anyways i don't think bandai really wants us to paint the whole inner frame although the kit is using paintable material, they want us to spend less time building a kit so chances that we go buy their kits is higher..

Its not armor against frame, since when that has been a problem? Armor pieces and frame pieces comes separately we can paint it separately. Keyword here separately, what u r proposing with this single frame pieces is every frame is molded into 1, all moving pieces is inside preassembled and u cant remove it. U dun c the problem with that?

If u paint the expose part, when u move it around the unpainted unexpose portion will now be expose...... U dun seem to understand this, let me illustrate it for u:


Also since when we r not suppose to paint the inner frame? If u hav a SF with puke gold do u to just suck it up and live with it or do u improve it? This whole "don't think bandai really wants us to paint the whole inner frame" argument is not valid ever since tey release ps frame that r meant to be paint friendly. U think Bandai will dump this in just 5 month on the shelf?

Also since when spending time on a kit hindered any of us from buying more? If thats the case the backlogs wouldn't hav existed in the 1st place now would tey if every1 buys only after they completed their kit.

This post has been edited by TheAdmiral: May 15 2013, 11:04 AM

sigh.. more explaining to do..
1. "unpainted unexpose portion" - yes u're correct on this one.. if the pre-molded skeleton concept is applied, it's harder to paint. possibility to disassemble skeleton for painting purposes? we don't know yet.

2. "since when we are not supposed to paint the innerframe" - i said paint it, but probably not the WHOLE thing. (btw i won't buy SF with puke gold as i don't actually paint innerframe)

3. "spending time on kit vs buying more" - u're taking this so seriously dude.. i'm saying this from bandai's perspective what they MIGHT be thinking to boost their sales.. anything could happen in marketing dept

Admiral, you are right. I definitely will paint my SF inner frame, those puke gold really an eyesore for me. I also like to paint others inner frame or details up to make it look better.

And backlogs really a headache. At least for me(I don't know about other people), my backlogs increase when I saw the kit I like, it doesn't matter with how many kits I have not build yet nor how many kits in progress. Now I have 5 kits under progress and I still keep on buying and increasing my backlogs until I hit my budget. So all your points are valid.

1 is not a valid point.. anyone who's even TOUCHED gunpla would know that disassembling is a tricky and very troublesome, if not RISKY process

1. then why bother developing single frame if u meant for it to be disassemble? Bandai not gonna waste money on this when existing 1 already fulfill this role.

2. panting whole panting partially is not the point, the very fact that if u cant disassemble it and cant paint it separately leads to the circle part. If u make it disassemble able then goes back to point no1. Also u buying SF or not is not an issue, im talking in general.

3. whats there to boost when the market dun really care about completion time? Finish or not ppl will still buy things that tey like. Finish or not ppl will not buy things that tey dun like. Where does time come in this equation?

This post has been edited by TheAdmiral: May 15 2013, 11:35 AM

ugh, is it any wonder why RG Zeta 3 is so expensive



but dammit, it's considered really cheap in japan then since it's only 200yen more expensive than RG Zeta... damnit bandai

i bet only a small portion of modellers actually paint innerframes, or is this not the case?
IMHO it's a case of whether bandai going to appease the minority of those who paints innerframe by holding back pre-molding technology (which is already implemented to a certain degree of success on RG).. versus implementing it for the sake of being "revolutionary" (just minor speculation as we still don't see what's revolutionary about the 3.0.. yet.. the possibility of what bandai could do with pre-molded skeleton at 1/100 scale is endless, what we see done with RG could just be the start of a new standard)

on completion time vs. impulsive buying.. i rest my case.. (which is actually not really a case)
cheers

*edited for clarity

This post has been edited by james83: May 15 2013, 01:39 PM

majority and minority argument? Ok let me counter with the following:

Current frame design satisfy both oob builder and custom builder.
Single frame design satisfy only oob builder. May i ask which design holds the majority here?

No doubt this system is good on RG, but do u know why it was use in the 1st place? Its cuz tey hav no choice, assembling things at 1/144 is small enuf, building innerframe manually will be too small and the plastic will be too fragile this approach is understandable. MG however is on a different scale, u can afford thicker plastic. Nobody complains its too complex to build, so why make it simpler when there is no reason for it? RG is a revolution in the 1/144 scale no doubt, however it is not anything new in 1/100. MG caters to all modelers. U wan oob ok good just follow instruction, if u wan custom build ok no problem parts are separate u wan paint it cut it do as u wish. Therein lies the different. Ur single frame proposal prohibits customization. U still think such a system is an advancement?

This post has been edited by TheAdmiral: May 15 2013, 03:26 PM

i disagree with that bold statement. degree of success in RG is how many kits? degree of success for current MG style frame is how many kits and years? do the math.

some MG kits are heavy, having many detachable parts allows it intentionally break-apart upon impact, spreading the impact stress. you put a solid 1 piece "skeleton" in there, the heavier kit will definitely be irreparable if it falls. that's not "revolutionary".

actually..

size difference between a smaller mg i.e crossbone, victory, or wing kits are not very much bigger than a hg, and they still have full frames around them.

also, if you're seriously spanking good, a set frame or not will not really deter you from making mods. if that prevented people, then we wouldn't see rg mods around mah right? but there are. not many, but still got. and besides, the oob builder is the majority of the buyers out there. that's why bandai keeps making re-colors. things like gunpla builder kits, and expo kits come to mind in this circumstance. and they get snapped up in an instant! and if you are committed to do a custom job, nothing in the world will stop you from getting that kit, regardless of color, articulation, etc etc. if the person doesn't like something, he will just mod it.

IMO, bandai is going into expanding their customer base. so they would want to introduce things like better color separation, improved articulation, and fancy gimmicks of the like. the current fan base will buy, regardless of what comes out.. and in the end, their main target market is japanese.. as long as the japanese market is happy, all is well.