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edison1437
post Mar 8 2013, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(s@ni @ Mar 8 2013, 09:40 AM)
civic 2.0
inspira 2.0PREVE 1.6 CFE (same segment)
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post Mar 8 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(FlyWheel @ Mar 8 2013, 10:26 AM)
407 is D segment then 508 is E segment lar !  tongue.gif
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_407
some how they put 508 fall in both categories hmm.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(gheyfriend @ Mar 8 2013, 10:32 AM)
y when ppl question the statement and u end up calling ppl calculate then? y cant u accept something even when u know it's wrong? some ppl just don have the knowledge like u to come out with those graph...

back to the topic, it's just a myth...i choose camry even if it's more expensive....coz chinamen mentality mar.....
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u still live in stone age is it?? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
nowadays people will go for safety and also money worth brows.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(s@ni @ Mar 8 2013, 10:34 AM)
in this case, preve win lor... laugh.gif eventhough the resale value is lot lower, but the price already low  at the first place tongue.gif
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there is also another comparison even more hard card with inspira 2.0 brows.gif brows.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(azfamy @ Jan 19 2013, 01:39 PM)
Excellent. rclxms.gif
Please allow me to illustrate, based on your figure examples and using some crude calculations.

Peugeot 407 Premium 2.0L
Purchase price (2008) = $136888
Downpayment = $13688 (10%)
Interest rate = 3%
Tenure = 60 months (5 years)
Monthly loan payment = $2361
Total loan paid  = $2361 x 60 = $141679
Total paid for car = $141679 (loan) + $13688 (dp)= $155367
Resell car 2013 (after 5 years) for $74k (45% loss)
Total loss (after 5 years) = $74000 (what you get) - $155367 (what you paid for) = -$81367

Toyota Camry 2.0L
Purchase price (2008) = $154990
Downpayment = $15499
Interest rate = 3%
Tenure = 60 months (5 years)
Monthly payment = $2673
Total loan paid = $2673 x 60 = $160414
Total paid for car = $160414 + $15499 = $175913
Resell car 2013 (after 5 years) for $94k (39% loss)
Total loss (after 5 years) = $94000 (what you get) - $175913 (what you paid for) = -$76408

For simplicity, let's assume service/maintainance costs, FC, intangible costs are equal or negligible.
Thus, after 5 years, 407 vs, camry:

407 have HIGHER total lost (bad)
$76408 (camry) -  $81367 (407) = -$4959 difference

407 have LOWER start-up cost (good)
$15499 (camry) - $13688 (407) = $1811 difference

407 have HIGHER monthly cash flow (good)
$2673 (camry) - $2361 (407) =  $312 difference

So i guess we can safely say 407 trades-off (poorer) total loss for better cash flow & lower start-up cost.
Or to put in perspective, buying cars with lower resale value can be justified by lower purchase price.
Whether the amount is significant or not will depend on individuals needs and actual purchase price & resale value.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 8 2013, 09:21 AM)
This calculation was shared by a LYN forumer some time back which ive tweaked to suit.

Very often, we always focus on the resale value of a particular model while ignoring the start up costs and monthly loan repayment costs. This tabulation will show you why cars with lower resale value may actually be a cheaper. This is of course assuming maintenance costs are similar.

Peugeot 407 Premium 2.0L

Purchase price (2008) = $136,888
Downpayment = $13,688 (10%)
Interest rate = 3%
Tenure = 60 months (5 years)
Monthly loan payment = $2,361
Total loan paid = $2361 x 60 = $141679
Total paid for car = $141679 (loan) + $13688 (dp)= $155,367
Resell car 2013 (after 5 years) for $70k (49% loss)
Total loss (after 5 years) = $155,367 (what you paid for) - $70,000 (what you get) = $85,367
Toyota Camry 2.0L

Purchase price (2008) = $154,990
Downpayment = $15,499
Interest rate = 3%
Tenure = 60 months (5 years)
Monthly payment = $2,673
Total loan paid = $2,673 x 60 = $160,414
Total paid for car = $160,414 + $15,499 = $175,913
Resell car 2013 (after 5 years) for $100k (35% loss)
Total loss (after 5 years) = $175913 (what you paid for) - $100,000 (what you get) = $75,913

For simplicity, let's assume service/maintenance costs are equal. Thus, after 5 years, a Peugeot 407 vs Toyota Camry:

407 has HIGHER total loss
$85,367 (407) - $75,913 (Camry) = $9,454

407 has LOWER start-up cost
$15,499 (camry) - $13,688 (407) = $1,811

407 has HIGHER monthly positive cash flow through lower installments
$2,673 (camry) - $2,361 (407) x 60 months = $ 18,720
SUMMARY

This clearly shows that although the Peugeot 407 has RM 9,454 lower trade in value after 5 years but it gains a total of RM 20,531 from lower start up costs and lower monthly loan installments.

Thus, buying cars with lower resale value isnt actually a poor financial decision. So i think with this, we should not allow resale values to govern our choice of vehicles. Safety, value for money, specifications and maintenance costs should take precedence.

What do you think?
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not remembering who mentioned but you able to come out such similar quotes notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(azfamy @ Mar 8 2013, 12:21 PM)
I guess it depends on a persons' wealth. I'm a poor person, so I always make calculations when making or considering major purchases that costs hundreds of thousands. Of course rich guys can just splurge, or pay other people to calculate for them.
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normally people considering the RV meaning that they plan to sell in in a short period right?
if one is poor why need to change the car so often?
buy 1 decent 1 then use it for long time smile.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(**no-name** @ Mar 8 2013, 12:26 PM)
sometime they talk only wanna sell in short period, when time passes they just aiya, still can drive ma, why change, end up driving the car for 7-10 years tongue.gif
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indeed a 'nice car' can last more than 10 years.
e.g. PROTON WIRA brows.gif brows.gif

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post Mar 8 2013, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 8 2013, 12:36 PM)
When he posted this a few months back, i immediately saved the calculations on my computer for reference. I was going through my files this morning when i found this and decided to post it.

And your point is?
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post Mar 8 2013, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Mar 8 2013, 05:24 PM)
Not just about driving satisfaction. How about peace of mind driving?
Driving a least-safe car equal waiting for disaster happen! sweat.gif

Resale value can be sacrificed but definitely not for your legs!

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Here are the example car with premium price tag, high resale value but with poor safety rating:




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if like that all super bikes need to be thrown away as there is no protection but only satisfaction when riding it biggrin.gif

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post Mar 8 2013, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(azfamy @ Mar 8 2013, 06:03 PM)
This statement is true depending who you ask and how they rate safety. Many parents (including myself) will never let their children get motorcycle license or ride bikes. Road traffic fatality rates are highest among riders. I also already saw too many cases of "unnecessary" severe head injuries and fractures resulted from "minor" accidents to the extent that i feel bikes should be banned. "Unnecessary" here means that it could have been avoided had they had drive instead of riding. For those who couldn't afford cars, use public transport instead.
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Having own transport will be more convenient
If your want to take public transport also need to depend where you stay
Don't think public transport in bolehland is convenient enough

QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 8 2013, 07:14 PM)
With the right protective gear and attitude it's not that bad. Of course, in Malaysia both are usually bad.
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This I need to agree in western country normally they'll have full protective gear if they ride in those "fast" bikes
A Germany friend of mine said that he only need about 10 min to wear all the safety gears rather than having serious injuries
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post Mar 9 2013, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(rompers @ Mar 9 2013, 06:47 AM)
I guess the "joy/satisfaction" of driving can only be afforded by the rich and famous, no?
If one can only afford a Proto*, then he/she should limit his/her imagination (only in terms of driving) and just enjoy the ride.

My point here being, we need to generalise when we discuss about the impact and importance of a vehicle's RV to the masses.
Unfortunately, the masses also means ordinary Joes like myself and a majority of others whom are not equipped with deep pockets. smile.gif
I think it has already been mentioned that for vehicles of similar values, no calculations are required. Less RV = rugi.
Unless u want to factor in the "intangibles". smile.gif
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"satisfaction" of driving only can be measured by the individual him/herself some car you think its satisfy you but not others.
so i dont think that only rich will have the "joy"
some guys will think that he'll satisfy with a proton some will not
of course the guy can afford better he'll go for better
RV good or not when you buy a car u already rugi
RV should not be the 1st priority when you going to choose your car

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