QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Mar 26 2013, 09:43 AM)
Morning guys.
Wow, a lot you peeps are really night owls. I'm a bit too old for that. Last time Ii tried staying awake, but ended up sleeping in front of my ipad with the lights on. Really can easily pass out like dat. Oh man, gone were the days when I used to camp 24/7 for two days in front of my PC playing FFVII.
mbrOne thing I like about Int GC is dat despite having later updates, it allows for Jap GC being the guinea pig for new guardians. Int GC isn't too strict that it must follow Jap GC's stats, thus allowing more freedom to have better stats overall and probably less bug? Somewhat comparable to Sakray's RO and English RO.
supermacI used to have Atlas and Golbez in my deck but I felt they both impede deck's overall speed or as you said it...flow. Only after so many battles you start to understand and see what your deck is lacking. Of course they both are very much capable enough to play in the top ranks, but the position plays a very important part. I won't comment on your deck because there isn't a perfect deck in this game. But as you realize it yourself, you have some problem with some of your cards. Try to understand exactly which part of your deck you often lose. Also, give your deck some time before changing it again.
e.g. You feel that your frenzied jugg is best placed in the last spot. I used to think that was the worst place to put a bomb car because they always lose out even if SD gets activated. But thanks to your analysis, its proven wrong when home player have the advantage. So to me, a bordered jugg's best place is either 1st or 10th position, or sometimes on the 6th position where your second line of deck begins.
As for an Almighty Golbez or RB Ace Golbez, its the same with jugg where he is best placed in 1st position to tank against the regular starters such as Morrighan, Barbie, Chariot, lamia, S. Bird. I havent the chance to test an alm behemoth, but I suppose he can be placed in first or last spot, but NOT when you have both Golbez and Behemoth. To me, having more than one tanker with slow agi is a big NO.
Also, having a pure physical tanker like Golbez or pure elemental tanker like Ettin isn't a guaranteed tactic to work. The best would be having a guardian that can properly tank BOTH pysical and elemental damage. The likes of Morrighan, Xmas Banshee, alm S. Bird fit this bill. Actually, some LSers can be considered as tankers too, but not many. I think Thor is the only LSer that can properly tank both types of damage.
Honestly, Ace Marco has been quite a dissapointment. To me, he acts like what a RB Ace Chariot do best, get in and kill ONE guardian. Killing another is just a bonus and a rare occasion. So, place either one of them in a position where you would expect them to kill the opponent's BEST card. If the opponent has a V. Specter, I would hope that marco can kill it. Or if the opponent has an alm Golbez, I would hope that an Ace Chariot can take it out before it takes out more of your guardians.
So by my rule, I would've make my deck arrangement like this:
fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast but since its not possible, then next best thing is:
fast> fast> slow> fast> fast> slow> fast> fast> slow> fastDespite Ls>QS combo is a good pair, I probably prefer QS>QS combo, because you don't lose your first-attack prowess. With LS, you might get unlucky getting first ohko by a faster guardian and then having to scratch an opponent without killing it. Yeah, the next following QS will kill it, but it may not be able to kill the next guardian. So with Ls>QS combo, you sometimes only guaranteed a 1.5 kill, whereas for QS>QS combo, you stand better chance of killing 2 guardians. I think this is where supermac's flow is losing. You know all your guardians WILL die, but you're hoping that a guardian's death would give advantage to your next coming guardian to hit first and kill the other guardian.
what u say is very true ... many thing need to do trial and error here .. no best deck ! is how u arrange it and how u max the potential of your cards . i used to think there is a best deck where the must have cards is a must to have in my deck .. but my thinking is proved to be wrong on my last elite colli ...
last week colli i have a 2 -3 hole in my deck due to trading (colli locked ) it break down all my QS + LS combo where i left with 2 pair of it only .. then with the borrowed bullet , i slot in non combo cards like anubis , pandora and ettin ... surprisingly it works very good ! breaking down opponent combo .. when those SD kicks in and death skill eating their alm behe and golbez .. i won the match .. with they have much better cards and lot's of combo ... this proved that SD + death is not stable , but it break down the opponent deck flow , where their LSer have no chance to atk , just LS works .. so can say their LSer killing 0.5 guardian only ..
yesterday , i wanna do some experiment , i traded another pair of LS + QS combo back ... sphinx + atlas ..
hence ytd deck ... i took out pandora , anubis , ettin ..
making it :
morri + spec as starter (kill 3)
nuada + sphinx (kill 1.5)
thor + barb (kill 2)
atlas + alm rb fast s.bird (kill 1.5)
golbez + frenzied (kill2)
with all the combo i throw in .. it seriously didn't work well .. once 1 of they flow is interrupted by the opponent , your LSer end up let ppl OHKO and LS kill 0.5 , my qs then come in finish 1 and kill 1 ..
meaning : 1 pair QS + LS combo killing 1.5 guardian .. which is a very bad rate !
only when your LSer able to OHKO 1 card , LS dmg 0.5 card , your QSer take down another 0.5 , OHKO 1 more .. making it 1 pair of combo kill 3 ..
this is the best case senario , ytd tested on social battle , 4 pair of of combo LS QS of mine didn't do well agains those deck with high speed and death + SD ...
SD and death break the flow of my combo ...
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LOL ~ my explanation is messy i know ~
from my experiment to date :
RB ace golbez + frenzied at last 2 spot i very very good .. standing firm in my deck .. not changing ...
morri as starter is good ( if meet behe / golbez ) gone case .. best deck starter and most stable is still sonic lamia alm .. with home advantage .. she is the best starter
pandora is good stuff .. much better than serenade ...
alm spec is a must ... a must have !!! if u want to perform well .. all elite top 200 have alm spec in it ..
QSer is so much better than LSer like bro funny said , so sphinx + barb + marcho + chariot is too must have , i saw them as regular in elite top 200..
bro jkleejk and mbr have super experience in colli , with their advise and tips ! it'll help us to maximise our deck performance
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lastly i think what will happen if i make a deck like that :
fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast> fast Alm sonic lamia (QS)
alm sonic spector (death + SD)
rb ace morri (QS + LS)
rb ace barb (QS)
rb ace sphinx (QS)
rb ace march (QS)
rb ace frost nix (QS)
rb ace chariot (QS)
rb ace s.bird (QS)
rb maniacal jugg (QS + SD)
i think at least 3 of them will hit twice due to super agi boost ..
Mar 25 2013, 12:40 PM
Just paid my bills today, so hopefully my line would be back in by the time I come home soon. I'm trying to rush coli now, not sure if I can get enough time to go back in S or at least A+.
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I still don't have sphinx and marcho or even a chariot T_T )
Everything you need in your deck.
another super deck ! crazy alm LOL ~ so many leng lui inside this deck !!
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