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TSacgerlok7
post Mar 6 2013, 03:45 PM, updated 13y ago

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AS per topic, i urge any budding LYNers aiming to go to CAL or A Levels for that matter,PLEASE refrain yourself from attending Taylors' College. I will provide you with few solid reasons why, since I'm the disappointed alumni from there.

1) Firstly, it is not as glamorous and "syiok" looking as what they've marketed. FYI, taylor's, IMO , is one of the most overrated and over-marketed colleges in malaysia. You could judge this by just looking at the number of students they take every intake, where in the world would you find colleges recruiting students like mass recruitment of illegal immigrants, sometimes even exceeding 900 just for A Levels. Bsides that, the place is so crowded and hence NEVER conducive. Apart from that, they've many students whom are enrolling in the colleges just for the sake of the brand name, ie. Glamour. Not all of them are taking their studies seriously. Things might be different if you're from pre-medicine classes though. Thus, if you yearn for personal attention and a more pastoral kind of care given to you, please go to better colleges like KYUEM or KTJ, even INTI and KDU does better at this than Taylor's. In this, the environment makes you feel it's high school all over again.

2) Secondly, recently, i've just noticed that TCSJ had even taken away their so called state-of-the-art cafeteria, and replaced it with another world-class study zone. THis indirectly means more expensive meals for you guys, the students. FOod around the area is not cheap, for that matter, even a bowl of noodle soup at Asia Cafe will costs you bout' RM 6-7 the least, unless you are willing to sweat it out and take a long walk to the market in SS15 OR have McD for lunch everyday. Furthermore, taylor's charges you for every single facility you use. From what i heard, at lakeside, even students have no privilege in parking ie student parking for free for instance, they were charged 3 bucks per DAY! Imagine the huge profit they raked in just from there.

3) Thirdly, their lecturers are of uneven quality, and they changes every semester, this is true in the case of GCE Cambridge A Level. You will constantly hear your peers or even you yourself complaining about the quality of the lecturers. I'm not being a sour grape here by complaining this and that, I know that this happens in every college, but to pay such an exorbitant fees for such a service, its a total rip-off. For my case, my Physics lecturer was totally off the mark in the way he couldn't even present his points properly and sometimes getting the concept across, i still remembered clearly one moment whereby he was so dumbstruck with the answer of a PYQ that he was stunned there for almost 1/2 an hour thinking of the answer.In addtion to this, during his class, due to his leniency, the students, especially the naughty and playful arseholes, tend to make hell lot of noise as if we were in a Medan Selera and not a classroom, as such making it extremely difficult to stay focus and our lecturer pays no attention to it. Hence, i really felt like i've had paid a downpayment for a BMW only to be given a sub-par second hand BMW with Proton engine.

That's all i have to say, i welcome any feedbacks, and if anyone of you here are from boarding school like Concord College, KTJ, KYUEM or even other colleges like HELP, welcome to privde me with your feedback. HeLp also has a mass student body, but im very doubtful if they do experienced what i've gone through, anyone here, pls feel free to provide fruitful feedbacks smile.gif

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post Mar 6 2013, 05:21 PM

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then is it fair to me for paying such an exorbitant fees to deserve such a service?
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post Mar 7 2013, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Rao94 @ Mar 6 2013, 11:11 PM)
There is Pro's n Con's in every College.

Taylor's for example they have tons of student entering to start their education. Mostly are from wealthy family, so instead of paying tax their might as well pay fees for their children education. Some family are too rich, dont know what to do with money, so they spend it in Taylor's College and enjoy their life. The people who complain is the person that not capable to bare every single cost. The place where have standard always have the price for it. Since food around Sunway is expensive because the rent is expensive too. Vice Versa~

TARC for example nw, there are the cheapest college I ever known. The food and educations fees are away more cheaper. Since the fees is cheap no one will complain about facilities or lecturer. All in their mind is as long I finish my diploma lets chow.

I've even heard some companies are looking at which college your from, the more recognize and famous, the higher the chance of getting job. Some people may even thing that cheaper college does not have quality and they assume the expensive ones have quality.
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the bolded part is absolutely incorrect. In fact, this only applies to overseas top colleges and universities lyk the Ivy leagues and Oxbridge. Here in Malaysia, do you see big employers for that matter give a shit bout which colleges you graduated from? No! In Malaysia, as long as you have the paper qualification, people does not give a shit bout where you are from, since all they need is just cheap labour, especially chinamen companies. And Yes, the lecturers that i have are okay except Physics. The problem is WE pay exorbitant fees, hence you expect at LEAST a certain extent of quality, but if you are short changed with the quality of the lecturers you get, i ask you, won't you feel agitated and angry? It's not a matter of this happening in every college, but its a matter of putting your money where your mouth is. If Taylor's fees is only 20k or 15k for instance, them fine with that, i won't argue, i may even get a pleasant surprise by getting more than what it's worth. Put this in this way, you don't expect me to get a proton engine in a ferrari when i've actually paid for a BMW. And im sure you will agree that Taylor's college recruits student in such humungous amount that the place seems more like a supermarket than an educational institution. Go check out colleges like Concord College, Cardiff Sixth Form College and you'll understand what i'm actually trying to say. How do you get personal attention when your class is so huge like for instance, about 30-33 people. It's like high school all over again.
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post Mar 7 2013, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 6 2013, 05:43 PM)
By leaving out Sunway College, you do have the same adverse feelings for them as well?

Like it or not, Taylors and Sunway are the most popular pre-university colleges. And they also produce the most number of students entering into the top universities globally, granted they have the most number of pre-university students.
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Indeed, to be honest, i felt abit agitated when the dean of Sunway said we are the best college in Malaysia, with a Tier 5-6 rating... And whatmore, they mentioned that Sunway College is NOT a business. doh.gif i was like what the heck? Just because the entire Sunway Edu Group is being placed into a so called trust fund, does not mean it's no longer a profit-making entity.Hmm... in this case, i rather pay exorbitant fees to sned my future children to Cambridge Tutors College or Concord in future, rather than being downright cheated by these so called educators. And talking bout profit-making, i think HELP is doing much better at this with their edexcel programme. They live up to their name, and when you say people could have face the same problem as what i've mentioned in the thread ie. lecturer problem, at LEAST their fees are more affordable. Well, all i could say is that i've been blinded and fooled by mass marketing and powerful adverts. Yes, i do sound like a sour grape, but i'm only telling this out to give an idea of what it is for future prospective students. Period. notworthy.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Intermission @ Mar 8 2013, 04:16 PM)
If that is the case, I think you have to reevaluate your buying power. Do you really think that you can have the same experience as you would in an English boarding school with just RM 40k in Malaysia? 40k sounds much more closer to a Proton than a BMW or a Ferrari.  brows.gif

That's barely enough to cover the first semester fees in the UK! The closest you can get are KYUEM and KTJ. You must understand not every private college out there are catered to the elites. Sunway, Taylor's, INTI....they are all catered towards the upper quartile of the middle class. That aside, I do agree with everything you said, but you have to adjust your expectations. Here's a few facts for you to ponder:

1) Quite a number of not so smart, lazy kids have parents that can afford private colleges and are willing to pay for them.

2) Colleges are not responsible for providing food. The best they can do is build a cafeteria with all the cheap food there. But that might struck someone as being too high school-ish.  whistling.gif

3) If they don't charge you for certain facilities, it is unfair to those who don't have any use for them in the first place. I bet those who take buses to college everyday will be unhappy that the parking fee is included in the college fees.

4) You can find bad apples anywhere, even in boarding colleges.

5) College are businesses, they do lots of marketing and advertising. They take in students when they can.

If you can't learn to accept this 5 facts, nowhere is good enough for you. Taylors and Sunway are not DOWNRIGHT CHEATING, it is that you misidentified your dream college and paid the wrong person with the wrong sum.

Being a TCSH student for about 2 months now, I couldn't really imagine that I would eventually end up in this place. For a moment I had my sights set on the cheap and cheerful TARC, the KDU within walking distance or even HELP but none of that happened. Then I got the chance to reduce my fees by almost half so I settled with TCSH. That probably explains why I am contented with TCSH even though it my experience here has been far from perfect. We may share a common situation too: we are both Taylor's students and we both have sucky physics lecturer(my worst so far).

They are also very keen in helping you to get into your desired university. Let's face it, good grades in A levels are common in these days (>30% ) so the real challenge lies in getting a good university (notice how I didn't say top) rather than acing the exam itself. Taylor's students are rich in money but poor in ambition and a sense of direction. Taylors help fill that gap. 2 months into college and they are now in the process of assigning us lecturers to help us think what should we do to get into our dream university. This isn't too helpful for me and probably not for you too; but students who couldn't even keep track of the A level program structure, let alone apply to a university would be very grateful for it.
Surprise! Surprise! 3 out of 5 of my current lecturers are Indian. One of which is the best lecturer among the 6 while another is the worst among the 6. The other one is somewhere in between but good enough. TCSH seemed to have a disproportionately high number of Indians......and Koreans.  blink.gif
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I agreed. That is why i've mentioned i must have made the wrong choice then. Furthermore, i was so constantly ragged throughout my course during A Levels, that makes it so hard for me to even focus or bond well with my good friends, since some evil wishful rich fags will just out of no where took my bag and placed it into a toilet, or my pencil box into a girl's bag....It's like adults behaving like kindergarten kids. Apart from the lousy lecturer, poor personal attention given for each student due to it being over-crowded and its over emphasized on marketing, Taylor's is nevertheless a good place. smile.gif

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post Mar 9 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(tqeh @ Mar 9 2013, 09:37 AM)
Not sure which class were you in. But when I was in Taylors (many many years ago) it was really good. Cant remember much about the teachers but most of us in class did very well anyway, I think almost everyone got 3As and above despite skipping classes playing dota etc and eventually flew off to overseas.

Till now I still find there is NO PLACE LIKE TAYLORS that can offer you such wide variety of GOOD food. Even till now when I am back home I would still head to SS15 for food!

Come on Taylors aren't that bad!
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Hmm..gotta agree with you on the last point. When was your grad class in CAL? haha...what my lecturer told me previously was that CIE now elevated their standrd of difficulty already compared to years ago..But, yes, i guess it really depends on class. Maybe i was utterly strucked with bad luck, bcos when i talked to the administtrators, they told me that I was being unlucky, and i should have voiced it out earlier, Im now an ex student already btw.
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post Mar 12 2013, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(OptimusMaximus @ Mar 11 2013, 02:01 PM)
Sorry to hear that u were ragged. It's not even primary/secondary school already and yet there are still people like that? What the hell are those guys up to? Maybe it's this pranks that also made u feel not satisfied with Taylor's? And anyway u would find lousy lecturers in other colleges too, not one college have all brilliant lecturers. Poor personal attention might be because of too many students like what u mentioned, but Taylor's have a good placement center. And which college wouldn't market themselves? You would also see other colleges marketing themselves everywhere,in newspapers, in education fairs etc. So where are u studying now?
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yeah...i was dead wrong in entering july intake..Most july intake were actually catered to Intl skol students, and yes, they were the bullies, tho mayb thinking that Taylor's is still a place for f**ked up fun and bullying people seems more fun to them than to study. Yeas, i was taken aback at the number of immature students at Taylor's. Probably its due to the intake that i've entered. I might taken for a different ride if i entered Jan Intake. I realised Taylor's reserved their best lecturers for their Jan Intake.
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post Mar 13 2013, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 12 2013, 02:28 PM)
it's not being 'private' that is the problem....but whether it's purpose is for education, or for profit....

note that a lot of the best universities of the world are private, including harvard, caltec, etc....

it is important to differentiate non-profit ( ie not expecting to make a profit) and not-for-profit (expecting to make a profit, which is reinvested into the establishment).....the american private unis are education centered not-for-profit organisations, ....

the majority of ipts in msia are for profit....some are even listed on the stock exchange.....
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You are right here. Schools like Harvard even have a seperate administrator to take charge of their endownments to get the best out of the huge cash pile they have. In Malaysia, alot of institution like to play around with statistics, trying to lure us students into believing statistics than experience. I think it was a choice gone wrong for me, if I entered the right intake, i might not be facing this problem, so i think it's subjective. How i really wish we could go back to those times whereby every government school here functions like JC in Singapore, offering A Levels ( then HSC) and UM was the top in our region back then. During those times, to enter UM is as hard as entering HKU or Cambridge. True story.
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post Mar 13 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(OptimusMaximus @ Mar 13 2013, 04:47 PM)
So u are 19 this year I think,and u started ur pre-u last year? So u think it's because u entered  July intake? I didn't know that July intake would have a lot of playful students  blink.gif And they reserve the best lecturers for Jan intake  shocking.gif That's so unfair. Are u sure about this? Maybe u were just unlucky or it's just a coincidence...And anyway January intake would have lots of students..I heard this year Jan 2013 intake have tons of students  smile.gif
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Its my bad luck i suppose, if you enter Pre-med class, the students are obviously much more studious than Pre-engineer. and it is exactly what one of the forummer said, July intake has lots of International school rich kids, and a few guys who quit stpm to go college and also a few scholars.
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post Mar 17 2013, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(OptimusMaximus @ Mar 14 2013, 03:12 PM)
Which college and course are u planning to enrol in?

Oh man...I never thought that July intake would have laid-back students. I didn't go for January intake not because I was laid-back..but because I was thinking there might be other options that I can go for too like STPM or Matrics..but most likely I would choose A-Levels.
How come pre-enginer are more laid back? It's still engineering, it ain't easy  hmm.gif . And why these international school rich kids don't go for January intake? By the way, when u said those who tried STPM and decided not to continue, would they miss anything? Or they won't because STPM starts earlier than A-Levels?
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They wont miss cos STPM started much earlier. Yes, pre-engineer students are in someway more creative i would say, most are guys. You don't expect guys to sit down and nerd the whole day right? LOL... thus the noisy environment, and yea...not all are laid-back, definitely there are hardworking ones too..it depends on your luck of which classess and lecturers are you are getting. If good lecturers, you will enjoy your classes to bits, if not, you suffer.
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:02 PM

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dude...same thing happens in TCSJ fyi...alot of ppl are chinese educated background.

 

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