u guys gotta check it out!

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

Apple betrayed me once again....

erm... wads really goin on with apple?? merger with microsoft???
then becos OS Ms?

i had wished i hadn't wished it two years ago.... sometimes wishes do come true, in an eerie way...

Apple is getting cheaper and cheaper by the day....

This post has been edited by Eithanius: Apr 5 2006, 09:24 PM

It's about damn time I say...

u mean u wish for tht befoer?!?!?!
OMG>...
erm..
cheaper by the day..??
DUN THINK SO... kekekek

OMG.. really cham lah.. but Apple will earn more i think.. so they do this is becos of people who use apple can use windows also..

Apple really betrayed all of Mac user and it will be come together with Leopard..

This is a good thing. It'll help more and more Windows users to make the switch over to a Mac.

money is the biggest deal...they wont care the tradition..as long they can make more money, sure they will integrate it..

and this means it will make OSX more and more of a target for security concerns just like Windows now, no matter how invulnerable OSX appears to be...

PS: and if you guys think i'm being paranoia, go ahead and shoot, but make sure you shoot your ownself first....

that's why I've said Apple is getting cheaper and cheaper.... sooner or later it will just be another Micro$oft....

I think it is good news. More flexible and do not need to keep 2 PCs.

Yeah you are rite!. Lucky me , looks like i have more choices to play PC games from now on. Yahoo!!!!!

OSX already is a target right now with or without Windows users and I still think that OSX is an inherently more secure that WinXP will ever hope to be because of it's FreeBSD lineage. All the supposed OSX vunerabilities so far have been pretty tame affairs.

with boot camp, there will be more and more switchers. maybe soon we will see a bunch of sleek imacs instead of boring old beige (or in dell's case, grey) PCs.

people are afraid to jump on the mac bandwagon because they are afraid of compatibily. now that windows can run natively, apple will definitely make more money!

although hardcore mac fans will not like this though.

Good move Apple!

yup.. this is a nice evolution.. more convenient for us.. can experience both side at lower cost

Here's a tiny bit of trivia for all you mac fanatics out there:

"The PC wars are over, Done" says Steve Jobs. "Microsoft won a long time ago." - quoted from Fortune magazine in 1996.

Sourced from this article = http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/05/ap...ndows_timeline/

While we're at citing old meaningless quotes, here's a good one:

"The desktop computer industry is dead. Innovation has virtually ceased. Microsoft dominates with very little innovation. That's over. Apple lost. The desktop market has entered the dark ages, and it's going to be in the dark ages for the next 10 years, or certainly for the rest of this decade." - Wired magazine, February 1996.

And then OS X was released in the following decade (2001), SPOT ON!

oh puhleazzz.....!!! everyone knows the OS war was over ever since Jobs made a comeback 9 nine years ago.... this is not about OS wars.... this is about the entity itself.... with this dual-boot thingy, more and more ppl are gonna switch, which puts Apple productions on Macs to hyperdrive..., imagine Apple producing el-cheapo macs with el-crappo qualities running on Int(el)-cheapo platform which brings down to an affordably el-sicko price tags just to capture a larger pie of the el-f***o PC market share....

Call me a fanatic if you want, but i'd really have to say this. Mac is like a cult, like one's religion. Devouts get angry when their religion is desecrated, hardcore mac-fans get dishonoured (if you will) when their cult is oppressed, in this case - Apple's abandoning innovation in favour of dominion.

Dude you need to calm down, Apple making life easier for some people to install Windows on their Macs doesn't mean they're gonna produce cheap quality Macs in the future. They know what they're doing.

Anyway, I like how Apple lets you install Windows on its machines and openly mocks it at the same time.

Niceeeeee.

hohoho... now i love my G3 & G4 more... long live PPC.

now i'm even more desperate to get at least a dual G5....

wait for another 20 years when Apple decide to switch again

Just so you know, Gear Live put the new MacBook Pro (2GHz Intel Core Duo with 1GB of RAM) head-to-head against a Dual G5 PowerMac (2GHz G5 with 4.5GB of RAM) to see which computer would come out on top in a Java compiling test, and the MacBook Pro wins (Result: 32 seconds vs 50 seconds).

But obviously you don't care. Have fun with your G5.

"Shares of Apple Computer soared nearly 10 percent on Wednesday to close at $67.21 after the company announced a piece of software that will enable users of its new Intel Mac systems to run operating systems from rival Microsoft Corp.."

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1654

This post has been edited by hazx_one: Apr 6 2006, 12:50 PM

I installed into my apple.. it really can run.. nice..





planning to do some games test to it...

it doesn't matter which is top and which is not.... owning a mac is not about speed.... and you've just failed to see it.... so i don't need you to lecture me what's good and what's bad....

No no no, to you owning a Mac isn't about speed, don't speak for the rest of the Mac users in the world.

By the way, wasn't lecturing you tiger. Chill.

This post has been edited by aaronchin: Apr 6 2006, 01:12 PM

i think old time mac user will gonna be pissed off or already accepted the truth as stevie announced the intel switch. their goal is to get more ppl to join in, those that waiting outside the door. Now u have no more excuse not to get a mac

i guess you can say, no more excuses to get infected with a virus....

if speed is all you want, then go back to PC.... why the hell you need a mac for...?

This post has been edited by Eithanius: Apr 6 2006, 01:56 PM

More...





I installed Warcraft III, wow.. it pretty fast then the speed when i playing using Mac OS X..

This post has been edited by siawgu: Apr 6 2006, 03:07 PM

siawgu, is that a legit copy of WinXP....? lolx...

EDITED: btw, try crashing it and be the first to report a BSOD on a Mac....

This post has been edited by Eithanius: Apr 6 2006, 04:46 PM

is original copy of winXP.. office one.. just try it..
btw.. Mac not responsible for Windows.. heheh. maybe if got time, i try to make it BSOD.. wd the easier way to make it BSOD ?? ehehe

easier way...? i don't know.... from my past experience, unplugging a live-USB peripheral is enough to cause just that, but that was on my el-crappo junk....

This post has been edited by Eithanius: Apr 6 2006, 04:55 PM

well maybe less people will zhng windows to looks like a mac ...lol

but there are still ppl out there painting their lappies to look like an ibook....

Will this be good for developer? Think about Photoshop. Adobe only needs to make a Windows version and when people b**** about no Apple version, Adobe will say "Oh - just boot into Windows and use Photoshop."

hehe

http://www.eng.bu.edu/~anc/macosx_bluescreen/blue2.jpg (really big image)

nope... Adobe is already committed to making Adobe CS 3, which will run Universal (meaning it will run native on both PowerPC and Intel chips.)

c'mon man.... i think what he meant was a joke.... or perhaps there ain't gonna be CS4 for Mac....

whoops must've missed the part

OMG , now gonna save up money for an iBook

Benchmarked ..

3DMark2001SE Score : 4982
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8942870

3DMark03 Score : 1440

actually i got BSOD when i want to down shut my cmputer ..lol.. HIDClass.sys Error

This post has been edited by siawgu: Apr 6 2006, 09:12 PM

3d mark 2006 scores on the macbook pro core duo 2ghz:
1518 marks.

athlon xp 2800+ with an x800 got:
1558 marks

athlon xp 3500+ with a geforce 7800gt:
3334 marks.

http://www.mactechnews.de/index.php?function=2&id=145

very promising..

This post has been edited by fariz: Apr 6 2006, 09:21 PM

ermm.. do you guys think that we can run Vista in mac using Boot Camp??? just wanna know... i'm planning to buy an imac...

This post has been edited by joehan: Apr 6 2006, 09:25 PM

apparently Apple released a firmware update around the same time as Boot Camp to all Intel-based Macs to enable BIOS support on EFI.... since Vista continues it's legacy under BIOS, yes it's possible....

ooo..thanx Eithanius for the information...

Somebody go bulk MacBook Pro

This post has been edited by Futura: Apr 7 2006, 07:21 AM

no need for hacker to hack Apple machines anymore. Apple guy themselves hacked them first (successfully).

don't gets your hopes up just yet....

Currently, I've got a source to claim that Vista can be installed without problem, but cannot run...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Orchant/?p=64

here more facts:

- Boot Camp can load Vista. Or at least the Vista installer. Marc Orchant at ZDNet is one of those using a borrowed MacBookPro, and he was able to load the Vista installer with no problem. Alas, his lender insisted on doing a full backup before allowing Orchant to go any further, so we have yet to see whether a full Vista install is possible -- though we remain optimistic.

- Boot Camp can load Linux. Or at least a Linux installer. Torifile at applenova.com also got cold feet, and aborted an Ubuntu install after confirming that the setup loaded and was able to recognize a keyboard and other hardware.

- International editions of Windows will work with Boot Camp. This should come as no surprise, but with a beta product that's designed to do something that isn't supposed to work, you never know. But the PC Watch team in Japan wasted no time and installed the Japanese version of XP Pro without a hitch.

- Boot Camp can load Windows XP Media Center Edition. Now the Mac mini really is a media PC!

- Third parties are already filling in some of the gaps. With a basic Boot Camp setup, you can't access your Mac OS X partition from your Windows XP partition. However, MediaFour's MacDrive software solves that problem. Now you can boot into Windows and read and write to your Mac partition, which could allow you to have common settings files for some cross-platform apps. Whether or not it will also allow you to share your iTunes library between partitions remains to be seen.

- You can boot from external drives, even though Boot Camp's installer won't allow you to set it up. Actually, that may not be true. However, you can create external boot disks using narf and blanka's boot manager (see, there's still a use for it!). And we're pretty confident that someone will find a way to do so within Boot Camp as well very quickly.


my next mac will be Mac Mini loaded with media center

This post has been edited by wei: Apr 7 2006, 01:32 PM

i bet u this set will cost 500 ringgit

hmmm,might wanna try it,if it arrives in KL

ARGH

only for Intel MACS!!

this cant be

looks like i'll have to be getting anew windows rig then

i Love my G5

ah sc*** apple..changing this and that

No more new mac products for me

I think I would rather join the dark side..get a clone and run OSX86..[which is against all odds..but]

mac fans are now divided, that's for sure..... PPC's dying....

well, atlease not my gang.

Personally I have tried it myself, and it is great (althought I hate it).

Few pros:
1) Doesn't destroy your current partition.
Not like last time, where those methods which need you to bless the xom.efi file. If you don't it wrongly(my first time), I have to format all and do it all over again. This is just amazing, easy and fast.

2)Drivers built for you.
Finding driver in my last Mac+XP is just bad. Well now, most of the driver is built for you, and the most important thing is, video driver!! I feel so happy.

3) Windows does shines.
Damn hell, windows is running smoothly in this machine. I just can't believe it. The performance is so so unbelieveable. A RM5000 custom PC plus a 17 LCD can't match the performance, and yet you can get to run 2 OS in one!!!.

Few Cons:
1) Some hardware still can't be use.
If I'm right, no remote (for sure), no iSight (not sure).

2) It's running Windows!!!
Don't you think it feel wired, Windows on Mac? Although it is real GREAT, yet, it has lost the meaning of Apple-Mac. I just hate it.

3) SP2 and above ONLY.
If I'm I get this right, Boot Camp just allow WinXP SP2 and version above only. Other than that, no way. (Sad, I have SP1 original).

Conclusion:
Until here, that's what I can say. Please share your experience here. I'm glad that all Mac users gather and share.

This post has been edited by Jaffar: Apr 8 2006, 07:31 AM

hope this is not a repeat. lets say that i have both winxp and mac osx installed using bootcamp. what happens if the winxp os gets infected with a virus? will that have any consequences to the mac partition? will the whole hd get infected?

This post has been edited by hellfried: Apr 8 2006, 07:40 AM

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This post has been edited by ButterCupS: Apr 8 2006, 08:39 AM

nope.. only windows partition got infected.. cos Windows kenot read HFS Drive.

hehehe... yes if u have Macdrive installed.

and yes if the virus "mutates"....

I'm no virus expert, but AFAIK the damage a virus could cause varies widely so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Windows partition being attacked and affects the entire system, say to the EFI or (some kinda) damage to the HDD, that's destructive enough.

On the other hand, like some pointed out, it really got me wonder what are the incentives left to the developers to port their softwares to Mac environment from now on, seeing that asking the users to install Windows on Mac is hell lot easier than porting software across the platform.

btw.. i redo my computer back to Mac OS X.. haha
what for use Windows XP in Apple Mac?

it the ppc won`t die ..as long the gamecube keeps selling... and my ibook works

talkin' about viruses....

http://macenstein.com/default/archives/280

Good one! But it didn't say if the viruses like the new neighbour or not, did it?

a lot of apps dont seem to run on mac. especially games.

*whistles*

no. because OSX instructions and winnt instructions are diffrent. notice how OSX is in capital and winnt is is in smallcase another reason why is because OSX is linux on crack (literally, because darwin = UNIX; OSX = GUI;) and we all know how secure linux is. And everytime a system file changes it asks you for permission so you know when a virus wants to do something.

I wish I could use bootcamp, but OSX is on the other partition lalala


This post has been edited by Joey-kun: Apr 8 2006, 06:15 PM

Yawn....I still love OSX

I still love playing KoTor on my mac...w00t , i!!!!

me also still love my mac ..

woahahahaahahaa i think gonna buy mac soon....

i wonder how windows work with single mouse button

the mighty mouse is 2 mouse button

it doesn't. the single click becomes very irritating... on the other hand, all intel based iMac comes with Mighty Mouse (2 button). MacBook Pro and intel Mac Mini... get your own 2 button mouse la

just curious... can ms visual studio 2005 be installed onto boot camp?

if the OS can i dun see why cant... really wanna try vs2005 on the mac...

Of course , Half-Life 2 runs on Mac....Lol , S2 2005..it will work

Hey Siawgu,

I noticed that you also had problems detecting the a "PCI device" on your Mac mini. I assume that you've also got a problem with audio?

I've installed a friend's hacked copy of Windows XP SP2 on a Core Duo 1.66MHz Mac mini, which works fine except that the sound card wasn't detected by the operating system (Hence, the "Unknown Device" under the System Hardware Profile panel).

I just curious to know if you've really got a legit, non-OEM retail copy of Windows XP SP2 installed coz nobody else seems to have this problem.

-Chris

why is this a bad thing for apple?
more windows users will want to get a mac now, because they do not need to worry if they do not like apple's OS.
if apple's OS is that good, naturally even windows users will start to use apple's OS... ONLY!

More reason for me to switch from PC to Mac. Yeah. I'm going to buy myself Intel Mac Mini as my next upgrade. I use it as media center, workstation etcetc. If I want to play games, I just buy myself a consoles like PS3 or Nintendo. Price doesn't matter to me.

This post has been edited by APIITian: Apr 9 2006, 04:41 PM

i do worry about the future though.... the more macs are produced, the more the quality spirals downhill hardware-wise, and also the more it will grab the attention of virus writers and hackers onto OS X....

Apple is kind of famous for quality. They will jaga wan lah

lets hope so....

imagine few years back ACPPs are kinda waste of money.... nowadays, I'm getting headaches worrying about my mac without an ACPP.... but as for my mac is concerned, so far so good... 7 months left til first year expires...

as i know
PCI device = IrDA
Unknown DEvice = ???

i have no problem with the sound card...

what's the real point of buying a mac ... to use windows??

but i like the idea anyway that a mac can use both windows and osX... which is great....

It's still beta mode...anyway, it's a good thing if we bought MAC pc's. Can switch to Windows anytime.Even can use 2 OS in one PC cool

Any idea on will it supports Vista??

hints from OSx86 Project forum....

http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14448

Does anyone know how to change the Windows icon in the bootloader?

Strange... wonder if I'm the only one with this problem...

None of the bundled drivers work, if you're wondering. Windows Update didn't solve the problem either.

ACPP a waste of money?

I've bought ACPP for my last 3 PowerBooks. In every case it's been money well spent. I've even managed to get a replacement battery for two of them on ACPP....

Desktop macs on the other hand suffer less than portables and are cheaper to repair.

Quality issues? You have to have suffered the "Perfoma" line of Macs in order to experience shoddy Mac build and quality.

wahahah..but its a good move to "bridge the gap" of both OSes. Though the feeling of exclusiveness might wear off for mac devouts, but on the bright side, we consumers can get the best of both worlds. And perhaps cloned Mac Machines might be available soon at a cheaper price (HOPE!).

Leopard, (OSX 10.5.0) will be released wayy before Vista. Leopard will have visualization built in.. Apple will be stupid to not include Vista in the list of working OSes..

I, salute you, for you have braved trying out narf and blanka's solution before Apple's. There aren't a lot of people who are willing to risk their "shiny new macs".. (Much less people KNOW that an alternative solution was released before Apple's "BootCamp".)

I read somewhere that ctrl+click works in XP as well..

what happened??

1. they use Intel CPU
2. they can support Ms OS??

Why??? Is anything wrong if apple switch to Intel processor??? And then can boot XP???
This shows that apple is more advance than micro$oft... just my opinion...

Yeap. I downloaded boot_camp and install it in my MacBookPro 15'...running faster then my Intel P4....well, I love my apple..I love MacBook pro....


Installation is not that difficult ....guys..try it out..running Window XP on a MacBook..Cool...

If you compare M$'s and Apple-Intel's roadmap, you'll come to realize that current range of Intel Macs are most likely out of luck to run Vista.

1. Microsoft had change its mind of supporting OS boot up in EFI, so it's a NO for Intel Macs now.
2. Wait for future Windows (as promised by M$ that they will then support EFI) you say? If you wait with the existing Intel Mac (32bit Intel chip), you'll be 32bits shorter to run the god-knows-when "future" release of Windows because it "should" be running 64bits.

3. Ultimately, like others said, if M$ keep up its tortoise pace, the industry will pretty much look for other alternatives - OSX or Linux.

My take: Install XP to do whatever that you have to do with M$, then slowly move over to OSX, it's growing