God is not the loser.........humans are the losers if they don't follow Him at his commands
because God is their creator and He knows whats best for them.

You are right that the devil need not commands to recruit followers.
He needs to tempt them and let the fallen human nature take its course.

That's why God needed to do something to help humans.
He told them about redemption and salvation.........otherwise they will end up in hell
because of their sinfulness.

that's when God send His only son so that sinful humans could be redeemed unto salvation.
When they believe in Jesus, the Holy Spirit comes to help them to obey God
by living on the.....that's when Christians become overcomers of sin and to learn to
obey God and His commands.

and thus it is not wrong to say that for now, God is on the losing end...

the almighty and know all and creator of human can only watch in disbelier while His once loyal follower turned on Him....come to think of it, doesnt that only show how Satan has the same human nature as human being?

Blue print must have screwed up somewhere before reaching production plant huh?

prophetjul, if i may add on the screw up blue print - as bolded :

There is losing on God's side..........its sinful humans which is at the loss because of the end awaiting......

Who turned on Him? There are millions of believers who have followed, and are following Him.
Know that there is FREEWILL........God did not make a 'product'.
He made humans with feelings,conscience and freewill, an ability to choose whther good or evil.
He did not create robots.
That's the difference. That's where humans are in His likeness.

As far as human likeness to satan, its the ability to DISOBEY and REBEL.

There was no screwup in the blueprint. Its still on.........till the end comes.

Nope.....its called FREEWILL.......God has given us the power to choose.

Adam chose wrongly to disobey.....thus the corruption of humankind

yes.and that's the problem with Him...
He purposely created feelings, conscience, good and evil...yet when we choose the road of the devil, we will be punished. He called it freewill, yet it is not free...for there is a price to be paid towards the end.

And people do good, not because of conscience or out of good will, but simply because there are rewards at the end.

Why dogs listen to their masters when they were asked to sit, bark, or fetch the stick? Coz there are rewards. And not obeying the orders of the masters, means no reward.

If human has His likeness which is freewill and own decision to make, then why is He punishing us if we dont follow his path? I am okay if He wanna be robot and listen to His self claimed God...but why subject the same path for us? What freewill is there, if the option is punishment or reward?

It is not, choose either right or left path, go forth and make your own destiny.

No..no no no, it is choose right and u shall be rewarded, choose left and u shall burn in hell. This is freewill? If it is, then it is one i rather not have. I shall prefer to be a robot instead.

Human likeness to satan is that of disobey and rebel? But i thought freewill means not following every other tom, d!ck and harry you come across? I thought freewill means making ur own path, ur own decision, ur own way of life? And to rebel, means doing things out of the norm. And long long time ago, cooking ur food is not the norm. Someone rebelled, and thought that meat tastes better after they were cooked. Eh wait...do u mean to say, God created us to eat raw meat, jst simply because He think that's best for us? Or He want us to think out of the box, and find out that eating cooked meat is more delicious? Isnt that rebelling the way of God's trust to us? Unless you meant to say, God never intended us to eat raw meat..He already wanted us to eat cooked meat early on..?

And let's not get me start on Jesus when he was crucified...unless of course, your religion allow people to question instead of following as a sheep as the book hoped human race wud be.

Let me give you an example

A father advises his young son that an iron is hot. So don't touch it.........but the son is curious...
he puts his hand on the metal side of the iron. He gets burnt.

Same thing with God.
Hell is a consequential destination. Point of the matter is God sets the instructions so we don't end up there.
Its up to us to choose what we want. He doesn't force us to do anything.
He just advises us to obey Him because that obedience will lead to the good path at the end of the day.

Hell was not created for us. It was created for the rebellious devil.

The freewill is in the CHOICE. Its not about the consequences. The consequences are there whether you like it or not.
much like a hot iron.
Understand that God is a HOLY God. This means that UNholiness is dealt with in His presence.
If God can be subjected to our whims and fancies, how is He the Almighty?

the hot iron is a very good example, albeit extreme.

wat about this one..simpler and more straight forward.

will i go heaven and meet Him upon my death if i dont believe in Him, instead of burning in hell - eventhough i hurt no soul/animal or any other living being my whole life?
i guess the hot iron example doesnt really work with this anymore aye?

and back to circle, we need to obey orders in order not to be punished...the last time i heard this, was from najib.

only dictators, villains and highly arrogant beings believe in using the carrot and stick method. follow what i say, and u live. not and u die. of course ur still given the choice to die. and it is a choice nonetheless. if u believe this is freewill and a choice was given, then i guess u jst succeeded in making someone a further non-believer.

Hi

HELL is even more extreme!

No...you will not goto heaven if you don't believe in Him.
Even though you hurt no one, you said before you cannot achieve the 10 commandments.
SO you would have SINNED.

The hot iron is consequence......so is hell as consequential destination.

Najib is not God.

God is Holy.

God is love.

Because He sees you have no hope unless He did something to help you, you will end up in hell.
Therefore He sent His only son so that you can be redeemed by His death on the cross.
It only takes Faith to come to Him. This is love of God.

Its not just about destination. The destinations are consequences.
Its all about a relationship with a Holy and Loving God.

so only through believing in Him..i can be permitted to enter heaven? kind of like He hold my membership card lar right? if i dont believe in Him, eventhough i did all 10 commandments He said humans should, yet i will still be denied entry..coz my membership card dont have His signature?

so following all 10 commandments is not priority. priority is in believing in Him?

He really so desperate for fragile humans to believe in Him when He has millions of angels, seraphs under Him? Aint that greedy like human trait? It is jst never enough huh?

And no no, let's not start about why He was sent to earth...i have way more questions on that area that needs enlightenment..but let's not venture to that area until i can understand His way of thinking. His....selfish thinking, if i may put it so bluntly.

And if it is indeed all about relatioonship, then why arent we given a choice of loving Him or not? Unless ur saying, to love Him means getting that membership card...to not love HIm means not having the membershipcard..isnt that like....selfish? i mean as in, the epitome of selfishness?


We talk about charity, helping others and etc...heck, He taught us to do good to people that doesnt trust us, hence the saying, love thy enemy/neighbour and everyone else. Show them care, love and etc...and we do that by giving them things they might need and allow them to enter our house for warmth.

Yet when we dont trust Him, we are NOT allowed to enter His kingdom?

notice the double standard and not walking the talk?

If the almighty cannot do that, why is He torturing us by expecting us to do something He can't?

First of all, fully obeying the 10 commandments does not even register. Because one cannot.
So its an oxy M argument there.

Its not greedy.......humans beings are created IN HIS IMAGE....meaning we are special to Him.
That's why because of His love for us, He took all the trouble even to that of sacrificing His only son for us.
Its not desperation. Its love. If its desperation, He could just wipe out mankind and recreate. But that's not love.
Its not selfish.....its His attributes/nature/character.

Again, you are just focussing on consequences which you cant change. That's in the future, the consequences.
What you have is NOW......the decision. The iron is hot. Will you touch it or not? You have A CHOICE.

No, there are no double standards.
Those commandments you put out there reflects whom He is.....love.
His commandments are very consistent with His attributes.

Remember always, HE IS GOD ALMIGHTY.
So, we cannot expect Him to be like us.....compromising. His Holy attributes does not allow that.
AND Yes, he recognises we cannot achieve the holy standards that His Holiness demands.
His Holiness demands us to be Holy.

BUT we cant because we are sinful........

THATS the reason He send His son to die for us.
He had already arrange and prepared the way because He KNOWS we cant make that level of Holiness.
Only for us to have faith in Him to do that.

busy in 7th gun tered in /k..reply u later

on second thought..ur 1st sentence caught my attention...
so ur saying, God is trolling us human by giving us 10 things He know we cannot achieve? dafuk is wrong?

Ok..now explain why give us 10 commandments when He know we cant make it. the rest i come back later.

He is not giving the ten commandments for us to achive........pls read carefully.

Your anti God is getting the better of you.

If you are really interested i will continue. If not dont waste me time......

The ten commandments reflcts His attribute of Holiness, not for us to achieve.
But His Holiness requires us to be the same .
He knows we cant.
Therefore He sent His only son to achieve it on behalf of us.....the rest, go read the previous posts.

Reasoning with faith? You got to be kidding.

no no, dont get me wrong..me not anti god...
i jst thought before i commit myself to be a believer, it is only fair for my questions to be answered. Unless you're saying, believer means not question and jst do as ur told, regardless of what - like brainless zombie thingy.

else please...do share with me. enlighten me actually....

and u see, i still couldnt get the notion of, He know we cant do it, and yet He want us to do it...
so it's like teaching elephant to jump? and when elephant doesnt jump, we kill them off, burn their bodies, crush their bones to powder and hope their soul end up in hell for eternity?

And like i said on His son....let's dont get that started. I have more questions there. And if you are not capable of answering my 1st. then perhaps u should go learn more about your religion rather than act mightly and look down on those who seek answer. Is that how your church teaches you?






jst to kill time and try seeing from their point of view..

Hello, I've some question regarding Christianity.

If Adam and Eve are the first creation of god, then why are we so different from one another now? Not only in terms of facial features but also in culture and religion throughout the world.

What happens to those that never heard of Christ before? Like those living in places far from the gospel of Christianity? Those that led a peaceful life. Will they end up in hell?

I also notice there are contradicting statements in the bible.

Not very loving now is he?

Ah it reminds me of insurance.....