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 Fixed Deposit Rates in Malaysia V4, Please read 1st post.

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post Sep 5 2013, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Sep 5 2013, 01:29 AM)
May I ask you this question:

From OCBC FRNID, they projected these "Upper Barrier" interest rates:
1st Year: 3.85%
2nd Year: 4.00%
3rd Year: 4.15%
4th Year: 4.30%
5th Year: 4.45%

Based on this interest rate projection from OCBC, does it mean that the interest rate will go up in next 5 years?

Thanks...
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No, it doesn't mean anything.

It just means your investment has hedged against the the Klibor rate surge to beyond a threshold.
Just like buying an option, derivatives product if ABC doesn't happen, you get paid, while if happen, you get nothing.
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post Sep 5 2013, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Sep 5 2013, 01:35 AM)
This sounds ok lah.. But it was just too bad CIMB did not allow you to continue
the first plan which brought you more profit. In overall, you made good money,
congratulations to you.  thumbup.gif

From OCBC FRNID, they projected these "Upper Barrier" interest rates:
1st Year: 3.85%
2nd Year: 4.00%
3rd Year: 4.15%
4th Year: 4.30%
5th Year: 4.45%

Because the RM just briefed me on the phone, so I can only roughly share this with you, it works something like this:
If the interest rate hits higher than 3.85% during the first year (2013), then investors will not earn any interest,
and if the interest maintains below 3.85% during the first year (2013), then investors will earn 4.5% p.a. interest,
and the same apply to the following from 2nd to fifth year.

So I guess your CIMB FRNID worked in this same way.
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Th potential risk is KLIBOR shoot beyond 3.85%, at third year, and until fifth year, while the structured product is not called back until matured (why bank want to call back if this happen whistling.gif ),
means one get nothing and only get the 1st and 2nd years, of total 7.85%, and need to wait until fifth year for the product to mature, only get back the money.

7.85% for 5 years, it works out 1.57% pa only, which is worst than FD.

While if everything goes find, you get total of 20.75% which average become 4.15%.

So we may have 3 worst, mid, best scenario, based on the info posted, as I have no info about the product.

1. 0% for 5 years, Klibor beyond 3.85% since first years, you are stucked for 5 years, and get back capital guaranteed after 5 years time, long long wait.
2. 1.57%, if Klibor surge beyond 3.85% at 3rd years until 5th years
3. 4.15%.

I am not saying the product is good or bad, just we need to have various scenario outcome, whether it is good or not, depends on individual preference. smile.gif

It is unlikely Klibor to shoot beyond 3.85% at near future as OPR still at 3%, but we can't rule out anything entirely.
If Klibor does rise and beyond 3.85% in the future, the structured product return may be less than what FD can offer. This is the risk of it, and most important it is not a FD.

Commit 5 years and get 4.15%?
It is good if interest rate is stagnant or go lower in this 5 years.

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post Sep 5 2013, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 5 2013, 08:42 AM)
Thanks for the explanation. One question for the third year, should it be
"Th potential risk is KLIBOR shoot beyond 4.15%, at third year" from your above explanation ?

Similarly for the 2nd to 5th year based on the OCBC table below ?
1st Year: 3.85%
2nd Year: 4.00%
3rd Year: 4.15%
4th Year: 4.30%
5th Year: 4.45%
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Thanks for the correction, I taught the table is interest rate given as the I do not have the info in the first place (as pic attachment is not available at the time of posting).

The correct one is those are Klibor upper barrier, while if not shoot beyond, one get 4.5%.

So
best 4.5% pa
Worst 0%.
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post Sep 5 2013, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 5 2013, 09:47 PM)
cherroy, agree frnid is not fd. but is there a thread on frnid? i seached for it, nothing. not sure if it's because it's frowned upon as i remember reading a couple of negative comments on it...?

maybe boom can start a new thread then. i think frnid is fine product as long as u know wat u r in for.
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Yes, FRNID may be another good option to consider, but I always try to remind people that FRNID is never a FD.
Since it is FD thread, therefore need to highlight the issue, just in case many confuse about FRNID and taught it is similar to FD.

The real fact it is not, but a type of investment.

As even some also confuse about insurance saving plan as FD as well. doh.gif



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post Sep 5 2013, 09:59 PM

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Btw, OPR maintained at 3%, as expected.


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post Sep 5 2013, 10:32 PM

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For the new Klibor structured product that I received the info from banker.
5 years 4.5%, if do not exceed the threshold barrier

But I noticed another important line.
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5 years Investment Horizon and the Bank has the right to early terminate the investment
whistling.gif

This is a big disadvantage clause (I experienced before)

Bank may terminate the product, when situation unfavourable. So no more good yield for investors further.

While when situation is unfavourable to investors, aka when investors get 0% due to shoot beyond threshold barrier, bank may let the product continue to run until mature. whistling.gif

Unless the termination clause is set according to certain condition, then may be fair.
But if termination is based on wish of the bank, then personally won't bother to look further.


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post Sep 5 2013, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 5 2013, 10:24 PM)
Ha ha, we are in the same boat !!  thumbup.gif I think the one before it was even higher than 5.5% but have to dig out old documents to check.

I think if they recalled it, it may be good as I think 10 years is too long. The CIMB BM also told me likely it will be recalled as I was hesitating on the 10 years term. Now knowing more about it from Cherroy, I will be happy if they terminate it earlier !!  whistling.gif
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I do not know the CIMB structured product, so I am not in position to comment.

But to commit a structured product that is 10 years tenure somehow I do feel a bit too long. Just my view.
5 years is already long enough, somemore x2, 10 years, means capital locked in for 10 years and no touch.
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