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post Mar 8 2013, 12:03 PM

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FSM Recommended Portfolio adjustment for end-Feb 2013:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...FSM/B201302.pdf

They're adding CIMB-Principal Global Titans for global equity exposure. hmm.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 12:44 PM)
So far for world/US exposure I am buying ETF only, much more cost effective and most global/US funds have hard time beating the benchmark anyway... icon_idea.gif

For US - VOO - management fee 0.05% p.a.
For Global - VT - management fee 0.19% p.a.

Your global holdings all perform below benchmark.. still want to keep?  tongue.gif
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My OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield matching/slightly beating MSCI AC World tongue.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 01:29 PM)
Ya meh.. I see overall losing to MSCI world oh....

YTD beat slightly...
1 year lose, 3 year lose, 5 year lose wor.... tongue.gif  but pay 1.5% vs 0.19%.... brows.gif

Come change to ETF... rclxms.gif
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How's the brokerage? Buy thru who? hmm.gif

My broker only got FTSE ASEAN and CIMB China ETF sad.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 01:39 PM)
Can buy through US broker or local broker, but local broker expensive lar.. US broker is USD 9.90/ transaction no matter how much you buy... You buy little little, then expensive lor tongue.gif
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I'm only a little ant investor doh.gif

U see, overall it still beats benchmark marginally, 100 basis points laugh.gif
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYOSKGEY.pdf

One question about fund vs index...

Indices does not take into account dividend incomes, right? If that's the case, investing in ETF that tracks index would win? hmm.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Mar 8 2013, 01:51 PM
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post Mar 8 2013, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 02:20 PM)
There are two kind of index,

Most international MSCI, FTSE, S&P, MS, index for example already included dividend the calculation. This is acceptable international standard.

Most MALAYSIAN index which local fund loves to compare against eg. KLCI/KLSE does not include dividend so it is easy to beat. whistling.gif

A good ETF will perform exactly like an Index with very small variance.
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Jaguh kampung indeed grumble.gif

wait, any proof of that? hmm.gif
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post Mar 9 2013, 12:14 AM

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U know what? That day at the FSM "Lou Sang" dinner, the CEO of Amanah Mutual Berhad suggested that the better way to invest in foreign markets is to buy single-market funds. She reckoned that this way, u can manage your portfolio better. And she's quite positive on Indonesia.

I think she is right in a sense; this way, u can see more clearly which country is performing and which is not, and u can structure your portfolio in a more clear manner.

Problem is, as amateur investors ourselves, how do u decide how much % to allocate to the respective countries? Region allocation is already a headache, what more country allocation. sweat.gif rclxub.gif

What do u guys think?

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Mar 9 2013, 12:23 AM
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post Mar 9 2013, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 9 2013, 10:40 AM)
You can allocate max 5% to single country if you want to boost certain country. Even if you have regional like Asia ex Japan for example.

So you can still keep the regional amount and boost countries you think will do well. IMHO for single countries best not to exceed total 20% of your portfolio. The other 80% is your 'core' portfolio, which will not change and maintain constant asset allocation. The 20% 'boost' portfolio is medium-term, but change as the situation/economies change...

Treat you core as elephant gun and boost as sniper rifle...

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But I prefer bazooka, 1 shot kill all tongue.gif

I wonder those who were burnt by PCSF got in how much? 100%? laugh.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Mar 9 2013, 10:57 AM
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post Mar 9 2013, 11:01 AM

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Talking of which, my "sniper" (Hwang Global Financial Institutions Fund) actually made up 1/4 of my equity portfolio. Back then dunno anything about portfolio investing. Luckily it did not tank like China funds, giving me a tiny return of 4% annualised since 2008 sweat.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 9 2013, 11:22 AM)
My 'boost' portfolio is..

10% China
5% USA
5% Indonesia

So far so good....the china was the laggard for a while but has now improved. The core portfolio is doing quite well... The china & Indonesia is lumped into Asia ex. Pacific for me...
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Main drivers of my portfolio returns are EM bonds and Hwang Select Income Fund. Current portfolio IRR: 6%, these two consistently delivered above that. The rest +/- around 6%. The monster is Hwang Asia Quantum Fund with double-digit IRR. IF ONLY I had invested in it earlier. doh.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 9 2013, 11:28 AM)
Remember not to get too atatched to good performance fund.. need to rebalance.

What goes up will.... (fill in yourself).  tongue.gif
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...get shot down in flames? laugh.gif

I know lar, just as we need not get overly upset with a laggard for 1-2 years which might shoot up in the 3rd year, we must also not get too excited with a superstar which might turn out to be a supernova nod.gif
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 9 2013, 12:04 PM)
hi im newbie here, im only got

kenanga growth &
osk uob emerging market bond

Now i got new $$, where to invest?
appetite: medium.
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Hi there,

Take a look at my portfolio
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3314350

That was last month's position, some changes were made since then but not really that significant. wink.gif

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CCB always sounds wrong to me tongue.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 9 2013, 12:46 PM)
What does CCB stand for?
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My guess is China Construction Bank hmm.gif

As for the indecent version...I don't wanna kena warn by mod laugh.gif
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QUOTE(izzudrecoba @ Mar 9 2013, 12:56 PM)
Pink Spider, regarding your recent switch to EI Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund, I was told by Morningstar that the fund's rating is dowgraded from 4 star to 3 star. Your comment on the potential of the said fund?
http://my.morningstar.com/ap/quicktake/ove...ceId=0P0000GEZX
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I prefer Lipper to Morningstar cos it's got 3 different ratings for Total Return, Consistent Return and Preservation. I usually don't bother much about Morningstar. smile.gif

Well, among the Asia Ex-Japan funds available on FSM, this is perhaps the best.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 9 2013, 02:23 PM)
Shahriah compliant fund. What a surprise, I thought you don't like Shahriah fund because it generally posts lower return.
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Portfolio investing, remember? tongue.gif

My EI GEM already got exposure to banks in Emerging Asia region,
Pacific Global Stars got exposure to Asian banks and also sin stocks (it have/used to have exposure in Genting Singapore, BAT etc),
OSK-UOB GEY also got exposure to sin stocks
Hwang AQ is more of a small cap fund

I find that my exposure to Australia is fairly low (Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton). Not keen on Australia-specific fund. EI AP Shariah has significant AUS allocation.

I never said Shariah funds generally post lower return, I just said no exposure to sin stocks which generally offer good dividend yields.

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Mar 9 2013, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(s_kates81 @ Mar 9 2013, 02:28 PM)
Hi Sifus, I need your recommendation, at the moment I hold these funds in equal percentages i.e. 25% each of my portfolio  i.e. 25 x4 = 100 % 

Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund
Kenanga Syariah Growth Fund
Pheim Asia Ex-Japan Islamic
AmOasis Global Islamic Equity

I am also thinking to buy Hwang Aiiman Fund and then evenly distribute i.e. 20% x5 = 100 %   . 

Is it a good idea? Or do you recommend a better approach of putting more weight in some funds and less weight in some funds instead of going equally in all?
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That fund has been underperforming...why u did not pick the new Aberdeen Islamic World Equity? hmm.gif

Hwang Aiiman and Kenanga Syariah both also 100% Malaysian equity, why u wanna "buy 2 guns of the same type"? hmm.gif

As for weighting for different funds, maybe it's also a good idea to start with equal weighting, then as u gain more experience, u will know better on how to weigh them appropriately to construct a well-balanced portfolio. smile.gif

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post Mar 9 2013, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(s_kates81 @ Mar 9 2013, 03:21 PM)
I didn't pick Aberdeen global islamic since it was just launched last month, and I saw it's performance over a month which is degarding. Isn't it a better idea to wait for sometime to see how it goes?  And there aren't any other much choices in global islamic equity funds on FSM

About having Hwang Aiiman, I saw it's performance has also been pretty good over the years, so that's why considered buying it, but you can recommend some other countrie's equity fund to me which is suitable ?  The problem is that there aren't many choices in shariah compliant funds that's why feels hands are a bit tied down.
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1. U don't judge a fund over its 1-month performance doh.gif
2. Told you already, its managed by the same team managing Aberdeen Global Opportunities which is available on FSM Singapore, only difference being the Malaysian fund cannot invest in sin stocks and financials.
3. U don't need to have that many funds, UT investing is unlike stock investing where u need at least 10 stocks to diversify adequately.
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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 9 2013, 03:27 PM)
Aberdeen Global Opportunities is a great fund... rclxms.gif

Don't know if the Malaysian version will have similar stocks... need to wait for the first factsheet..
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Eh pakcik, aku ingat kau tak minat global equity funds? ETF mar... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(s_kates81 @ Mar 9 2013, 03:36 PM)
So what do you suggest then? Just my 4 funds are enough and i keep increasing the weights equally on them instead of buying more funds?  Should I try Aberdeen Islamic Global?
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Since u have already bought and incurred the Sales Charges, might as well keep it and monitor how it performs.

IMHO, for the "core" u only need
1 Malaysian
1 Asia ex-Japan
1 Global

then if u wish u can supplement with
1 Asia ex-Japan small cap (and Pheim Asia ex-Japan u took smile.gif )
1 Global Emerging Markets like CIMB Islamic Global Emerging Markets

U don't go buy a Honda Accord when u already have a Toyota Camry. doh.gif
If u got extra cash, go buy an MPV, a sports Coupe or maybe even a Harley Davidson flex.gif

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 9 2013, 04:16 PM)
if you have unit trusts and stocks in your portfolio, how do you do the asset allocation?

let's say your ideal asset allocation is 70% equity and 30% bond, for the equity portion, do you count the equity funds in UT + stocks = 70%?
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Up to personal preference I'd say.

For me, yes I count both. Planning to have 25% of my investment assets in local stocks. My preference is 50/50, that's why the equity portion in my UT is only 33.3%+/-.

(33.3% x 75%) + 25% = 25% + 25% = 50%

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