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post Mar 15 2013, 12:14 PM

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HwangIM = Hwang Investment Management company doh.gif

Today top up...

RM100 EI Global Emerging Markets
RM120 OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield
RM100 Pacific Global Stars

Now my portfolio cun-cun 33% equity funds rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Mar 15 2013, 02:41 PM
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post Mar 15 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Mar 15 2013, 09:35 PM)
What else 67%??? Can not be all bond fund, right?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 15 2013, 09:40 PM)
He has a high weightage in bonds.
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My target investment allocation:
75% unit trusts
25% Malaysian equities
Bond 50:50 Equity

In order to achieve 50:50, I need to overweight bonds in my UT portfolio, thus 66% in bonds (66% x 75% = 50%) wink.gif

But I've just deployed about half of my allocation for Malaysian equities, the other half wait for pre/post-GE kaboom flex.gif

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post Mar 16 2013, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Mar 16 2013, 07:58 AM)
Hi all sifu here,

I'm planning to start my fund investment soon in fundsupermart and has been study which one to buy recently, I'm planning to buy the following

OSK-UOB emerging markets bond fund
OSK-UOB kidsave trust
Kenanga Growth fund
AMB Dividend trust fund
RHB islamic bond fund (plan to buy this since now cnt buy Amdynamic d)

Currently I try to invest in more conservative method first while study more about other funds... Pls give me any opinion on this ^^ Anything that I miss out??
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Just my opinion la ha...

If u study FSM Malaysia and FSM Singapore Recommended Portfolio, did u not notice that there isn't a single mixed assets/balanced fund?

If u can afford to build a portfolio, u have no need for a balanced fund, because YOU yourself can do the "balancing" on your own, at cheaper cost.

Balanced fund fits those who cannot afford the time and/or capital to maintain a portfolio.

And the equity portion of your portfolio is quite Malaysia-heavy (KGF is 100% Malaysia, ADTF is 70% Malaysia), and u got 0% exposure to US and Europe.

Just my 1 sen worth of comment icon_rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Mar 16 2013, 09:47 AM
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post Mar 16 2013, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Mar 16 2013, 12:18 PM)
Now is a good time for US and Europe market??

Maybe I will search for a good Asia Ex Japan fund to invest as I heard there is a good market for this region =)

I'm trying to make time to study how funds work, still not quite sure what to look at except for the funds rating, history, volatility and sharpe ratio... that's all i know for now ^^
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Those are all historical measures, backward-looking measures. You should also look at forward-looking data like growth potential of the various regions/markets.

US and Europe may look expensive relative to Asian and Emerging Markets, but u must not leave them out totally.

Malaysia is an Asian market, but Malaysians wear adidas shirts, drive Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen cars, buy Michelin tyres, Prada and Gucci, right? And those brands are listed in US/Europe. icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 16 2013, 12:20 PM)
I'll recommend Asia Pacific ex Japan first and also ASEAN region.
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If u don't wanna have a too complicated portfolio to start with, u can just pick a good global fund and let the Fund Manager do the asset/region allocation for you.

Pacific Global Stars is one u can consider.

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Mar 16 2013, 12:30 PM
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post Mar 17 2013, 04:48 PM

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Calling wongmunkeong and other investors who have invested EPF money in UTs...

The 1st time u withdraw, do u withdraw 100%, or did u divide into portions?

E.g. excess savings in A/C 1 is RM50,000, thus amount that can be withdrawn is RM50,000 x 20% = RM10,000. Do you take out the whole RM10,000 and pump into UT at one go, or do u take out a certain portion only? unsure.gif

Let's say 1st withdrawal take RM10,000...
3 months later, can withdraw another (RM50,000 - RM10,000) x 20% = RM8,000 (assuming zero contribution just to make the illustration simple tongue.gif )
Then another 3 months later, can withdraw (RM50,000 - RM10,000 - RM8,000) x 20% = RM6,400

If 1st withdrawal take only half, can “smooth" the withdrawal amounts...

E.g. 1st take 5K,
Then 2nd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K) x 20% = RM9K but only take 5K again
3rd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K - RM5K) x 20% = RM8K but only take 5K again

Too used to small top ups with my cash investments, now ask me take so much to invest at one shot I feel sweat.gif

But I've no problem clicking "buy" when I buy Ping Pong crackers share with close to RM3K laugh.gif doh.gif

Add: I see EPF already has holdings in most of the KLSE big counters...shall I go for small cap fund like OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust, or a non-restrictive fund like Hwang Select Opportunity Fund? hmm.gif

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post Mar 17 2013, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 17 2013, 09:47 AM)
Any opinion on OSKUOB Equity Trust?
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Kaka u always like to ask such open-ended question...how u expect ppl to answer u? shakehead.gif

- Malaysia-focus
- Up to 50% in Asia Ex-Japan
- Won prizes before

What else can I say? doh.gif
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post Mar 17 2013, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 17 2013, 05:11 PM)
haha... very sorry bro! suddenly i check this fund performance not bad wor, then just ask lo, mana tau got many people pegang it or not. Interested in a fund with holdings on Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia..
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If u stayed away from Hwang SOF because of its 30% limit on foreign investments (EPF restriction lo), OUET might suit u cos its limit is higher, 50%. It might be a good combo with Hwang AQF, and its past performance and volatility quite similar to Hwang SOF's.
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post Mar 17 2013, 05:20 PM

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Kaka u got EPF investments in UTs? Can comment on my question?
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post Mar 17 2013, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 17 2013, 05:36 PM)
Pink.. I have not tried EPF investment in FSM. But I got 2 EPF investment in PM, but I only took out 1 time for the initial investment. Didnt proceed to take out every 3 months. This is also due to that time i discovered FSM and didnt want to top up in PM already.

My withdrawal is the 2nd option that you mentioned. I didnt take out full (you know la, if u back calculate, my agent will know how much I have in my account 1). So I just gave him an amount to proceed, say RM5K or RM3K.

In future, when i go into EPF investment in EPF.. I guess I will not take out full as well. Maybe RM3K/withdrawal (so already got RM12K/yr for EPF investment).
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I laugh.gif -ed at that

I wonder if your PM agent is a hot chick will u do differently brows.gif

Ya la, 1 shot pump in, if timing tak cantik bought in at market top, sakit yo sweat.gif
Now pondering to withdraw 1/2 of eligible amount or even smaller, 1/3 every 3 months, dollar cost average the entry hmm.gif
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post Mar 17 2013, 06:38 PM

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wong seafood always abundant of naughty ideas brows.gif

Thx!!! thumbup.gif
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post Mar 17 2013, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 17 2013, 06:02 PM)
b. IF more than $10K can be taken out (especially the first few initial times), then put the difference into a related fund's bond fund as dry powder.
When later, your takeout from EPF A/C1 is less than $10K, U can use this dry powder to top up
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At FSM, currently only HwangIM and OSK-UOB got equity funds that can invest up to 30% in foreign assets. HwangIM and OSK-OUB got no EPF-approved bond fund to pakai your method doh.gif

I guess I'll just DCA every quarterly.

Now the next headache, go 100% into Hwang SOF (unrestricted mandate), 50% Hwang SOF + 50% OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust (small cap), or 100% OUEOUT bruce.gif brows.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ilineZ @ Mar 17 2013, 09:05 PM)
i want to ask same question sifuss here......
any recomended asia ex-japan?
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Not gonna repeat the answer over and over again, pls dig previous posts vmad.gif

And my siggy got such a useful resource u dunno use grumble.gif

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post Mar 17 2013, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 17 2013, 09:56 PM)
I stay at JB, commute daily to SG to work.  doh.gif

FSM SG has additional platform fee charge every quarter though.
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Actually FSM MY also got platform fee, but its already priced into the management fee by the Fund Houses.
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post Mar 18 2013, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Mar 18 2013, 09:02 AM)
Pinky, EPF withdrawal calculation methodis like this;

(ACCOUNT 1 - BASIC SAVINGS) x 20%

The basic savings amount is according to ur age. It is fixed and cant be changed. So, if u have 50K, and i assume u 28y.o ;

(50k - 14k) x 20%
36k x 20%
7.2k

Only 7.2k can be withdraw in this first cycle and use it to invest. Next cycle, same calculation but depends on ur account 1 balance and your age.

For investment strategy and method, i withdraw everytime that i can withhdraw. My main objective is to gain higher profit per year compared to EPF. as for long term and mindset that we cant touch the account 1, i set my target to 10%. It is u and urself only to think how to get that double digit. hehehe.

With EPF money, it is easy to apply DCA. It works but not helping much. Changing formation always the best method.

As MK said, our investment miles may vary. wink.gif
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I know, u do constant switching in and out of equities tongue.gif

I plan to go all out on equities with my A/C 1 excess, not gonna go for bond/balanced, defeats the purpose of EPF withdrawal if getting returns of lesser than/matching EPF doh.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 18 2013, 01:28 PM)
er.. MY has platform fees?
argh.. i gotta go poke Customer Service liao for clarifications
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That day at FSM Silver & Gold investors appreciation dinner, we did pop this question to AMB CEO:

"Aside from Sales Charges, what are the other (if any) income for FSM? Surely they cannot survive on Sales Charges alone, esp considering that there are also a lot of zero Sale Charge funds being sold..."

Answer: Fund Houses typically have arrangement with IUTAs (Institutional Unit Trust Adviser) like FSM whereby the IUTAs will take a share of the annual management fee being charged

QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 18 2013, 01:32 PM)
What is the typical IRR for entire portfolio that one can get?

I just calculated my IRR using Pink's excel sheet and it is 9.7% after 9 years of investing with my EPF money. Sure beat EPF 5%-6% but could have been much higher if I did thing correctly instead of randomly switched funds here and there over the years.
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How's your portfolio breakdown like? i.e. how much % in bonds and how much % in equities

Mine is 6.3% currently, started investing in 2008. I'd say my IRR was dragged down by mistakes in 2010 (overly aggressive in equity funds and exited at/near the bottom), and I'm quite overweight bonds.

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post Mar 18 2013, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 18 2013, 03:35 PM)
Tu normal lar, cam trailer fees / career benefits for PM's & other fund houses' agents - comes from the mgt fees already stated

However, IF ada platform fees charge to investors of FSM MY - that's additional cost directly impacting investors wor  cry.gif
havent poked Cust.Service yet - firefighting
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No separate platform fee is chargeable to investors, I've been with FSM since 2010, confirm yilek/tarak/bo icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 19 2013, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 19 2013, 08:42 AM)
I did not understand the concept of portfolio in the past and how you manage UT investement. I have 100% in equity. The only time I made lots of profit is in 2008/9 when I switched most of my money to MM and switch back to equity when market starts to go back up. They stays 100% in equity until today. Now understanding the portfolio thing, I'm starting to move some to fixed income fund but managed to move only 15% before market taking a dip recently.
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Wow...master market timer notworthy.gif

The thing about portfolio approach to UT investing is that u need not actively manage your investments, can just leave it on auto-pilot with periodic review and rebalancing. Of course, such approach will not likely beat the returns that u have achieved by timing equity markets.

Different cup of tea for different risk appetite. wink.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 19 2013, 09:41 AM)
That was purely luck. My original consultant did not service me, so I approach another consultant that is making monthly visit to our company. She told me my profit already went down by 20% and I should switch to fixed income immediately. I was shocked and quickly signed switching forms. I'm more into stock and did not really pay attention to my UT. Only recently after signed up with FSM and learning from this forum that I'm giving it more attention. Can I expect to increase my IRR in future? May be not since my new portfolio would be 30% in fixed income and limited choice of funds available for EPF investment. Maybe when there is another market crash.. hmm.gif
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9% and u still wanted more? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 20 2013, 12:08 AM)
Hehe.. so silent today.

My funds all red today  wub.gif
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4 days of gains wiped out in 18th March sweat.gif
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post Mar 20 2013, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 20 2013, 07:57 AM)
It's OK. It probably will recover in the next couple weeks but right now things are looking down and this is an opportunity to top up. I'm going to use my referral token to buy additional funds. I'm looking at Alliance Global Equity Fund and CIMB Global Titans Fund. Any comment about those funds?
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Alliance GEF = very diversified, 64% Asia Ex-Japan, 36% G5 (US, UK, Germany, France, Japan). The Target Fund (Fullerton Global Equities) remain invested at all times, thus little downside protection, but when the market rallies, the fund rallies
CIMB Titans = Focused on US, Europe and Japan, virtually zero exposure to Asia Ex-Japan

My portfolio % on US and Europe is still short, but the ones got hit hard by the selldown were Asia Ex-Japan and GEMs, how to top up doh.gif laugh.gif

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