what yer guys think?



This post has been edited by meazurali89: Feb 27 2013, 05:54 PM

X abis abis

Well done.

Help you.

1878 already got printer? wah

lol..

the original in arabic,this one is translation

pray for sabah

suda penat explain barang ni tapi some people still tak paham2.

So agreement mean what? Sabah is Sulu people wan ah?

cannot trust translation like gugel

YOU TAK SUKA,YOU KELUAR!!!!!!!






























rilek ah nearlee

I hereby announce the contract is void.

yg kena bold

'but the rights and powers hereby leased shall not be transferred to another nation, or a company of other nationality, without the consent of His Majesty's government"

bukan maksdnye,tidak boleh pindah hak milik kepada negara lain kepada syarikat negara lain tanpa persetujuan sultan sulu?

ceh benda ni lagi, tengok youtube kuceng lagi best

if you want to live in the imperial age, why dont you build yourself a time machine?

This agreement is void for reasons that the Sulu Kingdom is no more! and Sabah's self-determinism is enshrined in the United Nations and no historical claim can overrule the wishes of the Sabah people!

yang komando kite curi document sabah kat manila tu apemende pulak..

#Ops Sabah Selamanya

The biggest problem would not be that.
Sultan sulu empire long gone which deem insignificant by the British.
so the contract now no longer have the legal rights.

Also reads properly His Majesty's Government. as sultan sulu no longer a legal entity of an empire or government so no need to ask for consent.

come on la, so long only want to take back. can but he need to pay for all the development cost already done la.

macam dari email nigeria

memang pun tapi dari Sulu.

The Sultan Sulu didn't send emissaries to remind the Japanese empire about the claim? What happened? Already kena CONQUERED? LOL

There's two version of the translation in dispute as per original agreement is in Arabic. The Philippine's translation claimed the word 'padjak' means 'rent' or 'lease' whereas the British version of the translation means 'ceded' or 'to surrender possession of' as already mention earlier in other threads.

so Sabah can still pursue full 'self-determinations' and seek to null/void the agreement with Putrajaya?

but now sultanate sulu is under philipine goverment right?meant,that his majesty goverment

i dont picking philipine side here,only just want to process the logic of filipino ppl want to support sultan sulu claim

This post has been edited by meazurali89: Feb 27 2013, 04:19 PM

I dun y meazurali89 so stubborn on these issue.
We have explained it so many times.

recepi rendang lembu/kuda

Font Newton Bold yang dipakai untuk type document nih pun created tahun 1980an tup tup kuar kat dalam dokumen yang dibuat pada tahun 1878 hmm memang awesome betul penipuan nih...

nope.
They are not.
They are not even recognize as a monarchy empire by the Philippines government and by the international community.
For now that lads is nothing more than a normal citizen in Philippines.

no traslantion ler bro

printer of 1887

ancient alien inkjet lol.

btw where is the original letter in Arab?

Do you even know why Mindanao Moro were at war with the Pinoy government ?

Pinoy republic authority VS absolute monarchy

How can the two exist together ?

Anyway sorry to burst your bubble, but Kiram is not even the real sultan. lol

WAR IS THE ONLY WAY TO BREAK THIS DAMN CONTRACT !!

i don't know but it seems like this document is printed by using laser jet printer.

just cek filipin news,flipin gonna ask for more extend from malaysia goverment

onc its confirm i post it in the usual thread

hahaha... 1879 5k is like wat 50mil??

5k nowadays... piffftt...

its a translation

indeed.
To the international community they are nothing more than a terrorist in certain part of Philippines.
Awesome TS share the same delusion as that karim.

misunderstood me much,i just want to process filiino logic on this matter la

Philippine news is infested with fanatics also la

They're like Perkasa but pinoy version.

TS should realise also when digesting pinoy news, they have alot of fanatics there also. Perkasa type of pinoys of mostly marcos-worshipping keyboard warriors jerking off to a greater pinoy empire.

When sulu take over.. All the land will belong to sulu people and all the Sabah Malaysian will be kick out of Sulu pinoy Sabah.
So all the Sabah Malaysian people will be call stateless Malaysian and will be move to 4th citizen. Almost illegal but not..

ini mencabar kejantanan orang2 dayak/kadazan/bajau!!!!

kalau benar terjadi, etnik2 lain dalam sabah takder telor ke utk menentang sulu & pinoy terutamanya???

so much with their potong kepala warrior

you be suprise my friend

Grant by Sultan of Sulu of territories and lands on the mainland of the island of Borneo

On 22 January 1878, an agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and British commercial syndicate (Alfred Dent and Baron von Overback), which stipulated that North Borneo was either ceded or leased (depending on translation used) to the British syndicate in return for payment of 5000 Malayan Dollar per year. On 22 April 1903 His Majesty Sultan Jamalul Kiram signed a document known as "Confirmation of cession of certain islands", under what he either "grant and ceded" or "leased" additional islands in the neighbourhood of the mainland of North Borneo from Banggi Island to Sibuku Bay to British North Borneo Company. The sum 5,000 dollars a year payable every year increased to 5,300 dollars a year payable every year.



British version

“ ... hereby grant and cede of our own free and sovereign will to Gustavus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Esquire of London...and assigns for ever and in perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging to us over all the territories and lands being tritutary to us on the mainland of the island of Borneo commencing from the Pandassan River

on the north-west coast and extending along the whole east coast as far as the Sibuco River in the south and comprising amongst other the States of Paitan, Sugut, Bangaya, Labuk, Sandakan, Kina Batangan, Mumiang, and all the other territories and states to the southward thereof bordering on Darvel Bay and as far as the Sibuco river with all the islands within three marine leagues of the coast.[6]



Sulu version

“ ...do hereby lease of our own freewill and satisfaction to...all the territories and lands being tributary to [us] together with their heirs, associates, successors and assigns forever and until the end of time, all rights and powers which we possess over all territories and lads tributary to us on the mainland of the Island of Borneo, commencing from the Pandassan River on the west coast to Maludu Bay, and extending along the whole east coast as far as Sibuco River on the south,..., and all the other territories and states to the southward thereof bordering on Darvel Bay and as far as the Sibuco River, ..., [9 nautical miles] of the coast." ”


The key word in both the agreements was "padjak", which has been translated by American, Dutch and Spanish linguists to mean "lease" or "arrendamiento". The British nevertheless takes the word "padjak" to mean "grant and cede".It can be argued however, that "padjak" means "mortgage" or "pawn" or even "wholesale", as per the contemporary meaning of "padjak" in Sulu. This indicates that the agreement was actually a contract in which the Sultan of Sulu placed the land as mortgage/perpetual lease in return for a loan of Malayan Dollar 5300 per year until perpetuity.

Every year, the Malaysian Embassy in the Philippines issues a check in the amount of 5,300 ringgit (about 77,000 Philippine pesos) to the legal counsel of the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu. Malaysia considers the amount an annual “cession” payment for the disputed state, while the sultan’s descendants consider it “rent.”



SOS KICAP

then prove it!!!!

especially to the marcos-worshipper-pinoys as they are the one who cucuk2 the fake sulu sultan

hurt the hand that feed the sulus with money & weapons..if the hand who feed the sulu are bleed, then the sulus will go back to mindanao..no need to kill them anymore

This post has been edited by keown83: Feb 27 2013, 04:38 PM

TS is a pinoy...

yes,im a spy for the Excellency Sultan Kiram

you got me good

Hmnn TS so rajin to google all those docs

Now...Earlier we read "Ceded" and now this docs showed "Leased" mana ini?

Where is the ori manuscript wth the Sultab seal in arabic...That wan seems more legit

This post has been edited by stimix: Feb 27 2013, 04:58 PM

BTW, Now I only know Kinabatangan river derived from "China-Balangan"

wahh..later sure you'll be the crony one...
can songlap everywhere....very gooding...

he budak lg,too many history stil blurry for him

Sultan kiram wrote to sultan brunei, sultan brunei pun malas mau layan.

This post has been edited by Einjahr: Feb 27 2013, 04:51 PM

Actually the sulu sultan wrote LEASE in Jawi but got lost in translation by the British or the British deliberately put CEDE in the document which mean handing Sabah to Malaysia.

Just a small mistake in word can change it all.

That's why we need better googel search to find the original arabic docs

agreed

brunei also should claim large part of sarawak & sabah now what

the long-history Malay sultanate of Brunei!!!

sulu no more exist, so invalid

So......I pay $5000 per yr can own sabah? Not bad.

then were fcuked!!
sultan sulu claim indeed has basis, since it stated clearly the infinite leasing can't be transferred to other country!!

lol implying it is a LEGIT translation

True also.. Wondering when Sultan Brunei gonna initiate this

Oii did you forget why Sultan Brunei ask Sulu Sultan for help and give Sabah ka ????

The Dayak was fighting the Sultan Brunei until all his resources are kaput. Ask again the Brunei to claim Sarawak ler ... i bet you there will be no Brunei on the map again if they do so.

for the last time... the kingdom of sulu no longer exists! the last king died without a heir!
got two versions la, but who cares anyway nobody lives under a monarchy anymore other than brunei.

aha.. this shows that sultan brunei and sultan sulu never control interior sabah... diurg main tepi pantai saja..

then what about this current sultan jamalul kiram
no relationship what so ever with past sultan sulu??

BTW, something lotsa u dun know... The capital of Phillipines b4 Spanish armies attacked them belongs to Sultan of Brunei. And during teh attacked, Manila was under Raja Muda Sulayman and was believed under Brunei Sultanate controls..

So can Sultan of Brunei claim Manila liao

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Maynila

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajah_Sulayman

Cause Dayak live internal Borneo. For Brunei to claim Sarawak is by WAR only !! Look at Sarawak history, during Brunei and Indonesia time, Sarawak was not done by a piece of paper with some cheap sultan signature. It is done by the number of skull trophy you have at your longhouse.

Two versions of contracts. So no point to argue since both are genuine. Only current conditions and political situation can determine who is the owner.

your ancestors is dayak?
no wonder countless times talking about to war only

My Grandfather cut Japs head before and put their skull at longhouse ruai for show. Also he acquire their Samurai sword as spoils of war.

Too bad the sword was given to his retired sargent as a gift... huhuhuuuu .

manila was once called Selurong, under brunei empire.

no wonder you got aggresive blood runing in your vein

but that would be good though to hv people like u settled those Sulu sultan-supporters..just incase the situation realy getting out of control soon

why dont you get a sultans head? it would look nice in your bedroom.

then the deed still valid as the previous sultan sulu still had his descendent living until today

The sultan kiram is not in Sabah but in Sulu pinoyland giving order via telephone. Beside, War has not started yet. Dont expect me to waive Dukuk around like a mad man.

deed is not valid because the last king did not appoint a successor, he died without a heir. There was a void in the leadership and the sultanate disintegrated. What you have here are people claiming themselves to have pure bloodline, how pure i dunno, but there are literarily hundreds of claimants out there each with their own fancy excuse.

Even if there are descendants, these descendants are fighting among themselves

Would it surprise you that this Kiram Sultan guy just appointed Misuari as Crown prince ? Kiram sultan is soooooo old man, hes literarily waiting to die, but do you know who Misuari is ?

ahaaaaa


MNLF

that farker is just greedy

This post has been edited by Einjahr: Feb 27 2013, 05:52 PM

go to page 1,got update of sultan sulu lineage

if this is real then that would explain why malaysia is acting like a total ***** kitty cat

This post has been edited by homicidal85: Feb 27 2013, 05:54 PM

trust me,misuari is behind this.

Need to stop them !! We need the White MAHARAJA of Sabah !!!

MAHARAJA Gustav von Overbeck ruler of Sabah !!! You agree ??

Philippines nor Brunei recognise the above claimants. Sorry TS, Why dont you go and play age of empires you pilak

seems legit
did the previous sultan MUST appoint successor or it can be determined by tradition & council like malaysian sultan?

tu la malaysia, nak terhegeh hegeh lagi.. awal2 x nak tembak

There are all price - Putera. But seriously, nowadays, only certain type of ppl will still support an absolute Monarchy System whereby the next Ruler is determined by the Strongest Sp3rm.

To me, no one should care what your grand father did or even your father did. As long as these barg3rs have 'loyal' supporters, the incident in Sabah can happen.

lineage worse than celup banggla.

sad GE just around the corner else the gomen would just tembak all the pilak sampai mati

Sultan Jamalul Siham

Omg..does this mean sabah is really in danger now?

cepat la ethnic cleansing. xsabar nak headhunt kat sini

sos kicap

Looks like Bahasa Melayu, though I'm not familiar with archaic spelling. Did the Sulu Sultanate use Malay as its official language?

Its written in Jawi. Yeap. It is Bahasa Melayu

sudahla

whatever all these historical evidence yup i dont deny their authenticity,i cn say all are BS

if realy according to history before WW2,then many countries in this world also need to reset back their land size,including peninsular malaysia,thailand,Indon(Indon just originaly Jawa continent,not include Kalimantan & Sumatra continent)

the only way to grab these land is just by war & bloodshed,heck even the Sultan's ancestors also got their Kingdom through their men's bloodshed

its all about firepower now

This sulu sultan is really persistent.
A no is a no~
Such a pathetic sultan.... what made he think he owns sabah? With a piece of paper? Pfft please.

fuiyo..those philipinos really bashing hard about this