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jyane
post Oct 22 2013, 10:12 PM

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Hi all, im quite new here and the search function aint getting me anywhere so i might as well post here to ask.. my question is what the diff between polish and wax? how often we need these two or either 1 is enough to do the job? thanks for the reply teachers..
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post Nov 19 2013, 09:10 PM

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Hi guys,

I waxed my car recently and i found out, something like dirt or water look on my white car paint.. but when i use my hand or towel to rub it, it wont come off.. it just like the dirt or water is inside my paint.. the water is like black black light mud colour.. What did i gone wrong or did my wax gone wrong? my car doesnt look glossy.. like got some mud on the paint.. how to i reserve the paint to white glossy looking? please help.. thanks a lot guys...

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post Nov 19 2013, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Nov 19 2013, 09:49 PM)
user posted image

Something like this?
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YES!!! it like tat!!! i been trying to take pic wit my noob phone.. but my paint is white colour so cant take any of the pic.. finally u got the same problem wit me sad.gif how u cure it?
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post Nov 19 2013, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Nov 11 2013, 04:53 PM)
DG105 is a sealant.
DG501 is an AIO - paint cleaner and sealant.

DG105 don't have much cleaning/polishing properties
DG501 can do a little cleaning/very mild defects removal

DG105 protection last a little longer
DG501 protection last quite decent also, but not as long as DG105

If you're looking for a sealant without any defects/contaminant removing capabilities - DG105
If you're looking for removing some contaminants/very mild defects while putting down a decent layer of protection as well - DG501

If you're undecided - GET BOTH cuz they're both great products and good value for money....hahahaha.....
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Does that mean DG105 can act as wax? what the diff btw wax and sealant? from wad i read for 105, it is a total performance polish.. does tat mean DG105 is a polish thing? thanks for the clarify..
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post Nov 19 2013, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Nov 19 2013, 10:00 PM)
I took this picture off the internet. I don't really know much about this, but compounding / polishing is normally the way to remove those spots. To my knowledge they happen due to the lack of paint protection, and/or the lack of car paint care, e.g failure to wash the car as often as required, but I stand to be corrected.
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But i did wash my car weekly, and wax it round 2-3mth or even i have time.. beside polish, any other way to solve it?
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post Nov 20 2013, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Nov 19 2013, 11:27 PM)
Looks like swirl marks plus water marks.
Need to clay first followed by compound with a cutting pad.
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beside clay.. is there any other way? cos i never use clay before..
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post Nov 20 2013, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Nov 19 2013, 11:12 PM)
I actually asked the same question before too. Found it again!  rclxms.gif
Hope it helps!
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thanks for the infor so they guess either use wax or sealant is enough?
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post Nov 20 2013, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Nov 20 2013, 08:31 AM)
Clay is not very tough to use. Just make sure you have enough lubricant(eg: use ONR, Turtle Wax Rinse Free Wash & Wax, car shampoo,etc.) while claying. Apply gentle force when claying on the paint.

If you ask me where to get the clay, I would say lowyat Automotive Garage? Haha. There are people selling for 3M, Meguiars claybar.
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will snatch x2.0 from meg do the trick beside using clay? thanks for the infor..
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post Nov 30 2013, 11:22 AM

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guys,

If i wash then polish then wax, is it correct? can i use smth like swirlx remover to replace polish?
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post Dec 1 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(acefreakz @ Dec 1 2013, 02:08 PM)
jyan are ur paint looks similar to this? =P
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ya.. it 100% the same.. can i ask y these mark where there? what did i do wrong tat the mark came out? do u have solution for it? thanks for the reply..

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post Dec 1 2013, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Dec 1 2013, 05:23 PM)

From my experience, you can use wax to remove it, although a better solution is probably to clay and then polish, or clay and wax if you do not have polish.
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But i tried using wax.. it doesnt come off 100% clean.. can i use polish then wax instead of clay then polish or wax and wax? why does the spot/mark appear the car?
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post Dec 1 2013, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(acefreakz @ Dec 1 2013, 05:38 PM)
lol i have that problem too XD but not too headache abt it. How i prevent this is, frequent wash(i using sonax shampoo), frequent as in more than twice per week. I cured it with permanon's hecta, then rinse thruly with water, lastly with finishing wax, e.g. meg's gold class liquid wax. with this said, i don clay or polish to solve these damn dirt.
am too lazy to clay xD with this extra step i would took me more than 2 hrs just to clay, damned the size of my pickup truck! lol. cleaner wax/sealant may do the job, never try it tho.
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I wash my car everyweek, but the mark still come bak.. btw i keep wash the mark but it wont come off.. what a sonax shampoo? is it a brand or type of shampoo? sorry if i asked too stupid question.. what a permanon hacta? im quite new to these thing.. thanks for the help..

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  I don't know where the black stains come from, but from my observation they seem to come from all the rubber parts / parts where there is double sided tape. hmm.gif. Aside from that it's probably from the environment / rain and etc. You can polish then wax without claying, but only if your car's surface is already free from embedded contaminants, otherwise you will probably be removing the stains while causing scratches / swirls to appear.


mine the mark is from the front bonet.. i dun think there is any double sided tape there.. how can i make sure it free from embedded contaminant? does wash wit car shampoo is enuff? thanks for the reply
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post Dec 1 2013, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Dec 1 2013, 06:11 PM)
Washing alone will not help, or at least it won't from my experience. I have experienced the black stains on my car hood quite many times as well even with recent waxing, but the wax is cheap. What I'd do is to take SwirlX (my polish) and rub the hood after claying till the dirt is gone, then put a layer of wax. I have switched to a better wax (or sealant to be specific) though and I haven't experienced such a problem, for now.
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what u mean is u wash then clay then polish then wax it? when do u/ whixh part do u use swirlx? mind to tell me what better wax u switch to?

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post Dec 1 2013, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 1 2013, 06:12 PM)
To remove dirt film, this these either of these method.

1. Wash > Clay > Dry

Else

2. Wash > Clay > Dry > (Start) mild polisher (not compound !) < If can't only go slighting more aggressive polish.

Your image shown that the paintwork is lack of surface protection or surface being exposure to head/dry after rain
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1. Wash > Clay > Dry meaning to wash after tat clay then let it dry? no need to polish or wax? I did protect my car by waxing it ard 2-3mth once but the mark appear.. it giving my headache when i see the spot on my white colour car sad.gif

QUOTE(kww @ Dec 1 2013, 06:13 PM)
I have a solid white color car, I face this problem all the time. It is form by dirty water (rain) on panels that water run off very slow like hood or roof. If you let the stain sits for few weeks, it is quite hard to come off. Proper polish is the way to go. If you wash once a week, should be very easy to wash it off.
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I did wash it everyweek but it seem like it sticking inside the paint not on the paint.. proper polish meaning to bring my car to a car center? shocking.gif
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post Dec 1 2013, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Dec 1 2013, 06:27 PM)
What he meant by "proper polish" is using the correct polish product + correct method to remove the stain. As they mentioned previously, start with a milder polish product. If it doesn't work, proceed to the next level of abrasive polish product. smile.gif
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Any product to intro? what the step to do?
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post Dec 1 2013, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 1 2013, 07:16 PM)
pls share the product list you have now. (E.g Shampoo - what brand ...etc)
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now im using cheap stuff cos i dunno there is much more exp and good stuff in the market after i survey.. im currently using all amway product.. include wax... my car got any hope? doh.gif

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post Dec 1 2013, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 1 2013, 08:01 PM)
please consider searching this thread for questions that have already been answered if you're serious in maintaining your car.

there are plenty of Q&A done for watermark removals.

then there are also many repeated guidance on proper detailing steps and maintaining steps.
example:
detailing
wash > clay > wash again (my preference in getting rid of clay lube/products/me just being OCD etc) > dry > compound (if needed) > polish > glaze or IPA wipedowns (if needed) > coating (if preferred) > wax/sealant

weekly regular maintenance:
wash > dry > maintenance wax/topper such as meguiar's ultimate quik wax or sonax brilliant detailer or duragloss aquawax (or DG951 http://estore.duragloss.com.my/webapp/wcs/...isplayErrorView )

for proper washing, do use the 2 bucket (or 3 if you OCD) system, with grit guards
search in this thread/google it if you're not sure. got youtube guide too.

get plush microfiber cloths and/or drying towels if you don't have any proper ones.
if you're on a budget, consider getting from osren: http://www.osren.com/

amway pyramid scheme items? consider sell/donate/throw.
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I like ur reply..very thanks to ur help as i dunno this mark is known as watermark.. btw wad is OCD? ya i know my item is bad for car but i cant really find any of the brand u mention abv in my place so i dunno the real deal in detailing.. thanks for ur help very much.. is it possible tat i use all the matter u mention abv without using clay? cos i cant find any clay at my place and i seem the video of using clay in youtube but i dun really quite understand how to use it.. i scare it will worsen my car paint..


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post Dec 1 2013, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 1 2013, 08:11 PM)
google: https://www.google.com/search?q=OCD&oq=OCD&..._sm=93&ie=UTF-8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%...ulsive_disorder

layman in detailing/examples: will rage even seeing 1 dust on car, see microfiber cloth dirty also will flip table.
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thumbup.gif got it bro... thanks a lot

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post Dec 2 2013, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Dec 2 2013, 10:37 AM)
never under estimate the product you have now. No matter how poor or bad you call it...i am sure it will work at certain level (else you won't buy it right ?  hmm.gif ) assume both product also so called not popular...and priced at RM15 and Rm25, do you think RM15 product will not work at all ?

Same time even you have/bought all the famous brand etc..at high price (due to import tax), do you think the product will work superb to a pair of hand which doesn't know how to 'use' them > no offence.

My advice is use what you HAVE NOW, MAXIMISE it....and KEEP IMPROVING your technique till you find the product limitation...
As for clay, its doesn't require special technique...what you need is CLEAN surface (mean WASH it before clay)...after that GLIDE the clay bar on the surface (A MUST TO MAKE SURE) you have enough lubricant (either clay lub/quick detailer or easiest way is make a spray bottle of CLEAN SHAMPOO)....
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Dunno.. will tried better brand and compare whistling.gif what do u mean by "easiest way is make a spray bottle of CLEAN SHAMPOO)...." Meaning to say make a new shampoo of spray by using my car wash shampoo and some water in it?

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