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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB v40, Fast, faster, fasterer, fastererer :x

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post Mar 11 2013, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Mar 11 2013, 03:44 PM)
after noon...

rainy la my workplace  sad.gif
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same, raining here~!
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post Mar 11 2013, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Mar 11 2013, 03:56 PM)
and wifu instruct me to bring my car to merz this saturday  doh.gif
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ahaha, ur waifu kena poison instead of u~! sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Mar 11 2013, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Mar 11 2013, 04:05 PM)
after come back from merz (1st time), she admire so much of the cleaniness of car's interior
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yes, i kena poison becoz of the interior is more clean thn other shop..
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post Mar 11 2013, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(dagreatdzul @ Mar 11 2013, 04:38 PM)
bro, drpd supercharge better turbocharged lagi.
turbo kite bole control boost, bile nk power bole up boost, bile nk normal drive bole lower boost, but supercharge ni ade boost sepanjang masa.
by logic laaa eh, xtahu brape lame piston,conrod boleh tahan.unless forged internal jugak laa..
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if not mistaken supercharge for low-mid end power, turbocharge is from mid-high end power... both is different system...

i prefer supercharge as low-mid are usable within our road... turbocharge a bit bahaya, one slide unable to control, Adios pal~!

sorry if wrg info...

juz my opinion...
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post Mar 11 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(dagreatdzul @ Mar 11 2013, 05:03 PM)
yess supercharge is for low-mid application and very useful for our road...

turbocharged is more powerfull to me.but need be careful, coz if whack pedal to the metal for too long u need to cool the engine later.

pros and cons la both.

but price wise, they are almost the same. lol
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of course both also got pro and cons lo....

price wise, supercharge can do cheaper thn turbo but the tuning part is the most difficult for supercharger... as i know from one of my foreman...


QUOTE(dagreatdzul @ Mar 11 2013, 05:05 PM)
true, but some people said that supercharge boost is earlier like they were boosted all the time. sweat.gif
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boost timing depend on tuning and which supercharger u using, screw version and turbine version... both have differences~!

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post Mar 11 2013, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 11 2013, 05:11 PM)
Turbo can boost low end also, small turbine with low boost lor. Polo TSI boost from 1.5k RPM, Preve 2k RPM. but usually these are for town driveability, not for flat out performance.
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haha, can low boost i know... but u tend to put turbo but scare this scare tht thn go do low boost wat for... juz wana gain 10-20% increase hp? or juz the sound...

i rather use for supercharger as tuning rite all rpm range will be good~!

but no offence on turbo, if i got damn a lot money i will throw in turbo as well...

Sorry if got any wrg info, as info provide from my formal foreman..~! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 11 2013, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 11 2013, 05:21 PM)
Depends on the application lor.

Twincharge or twinturbo la brows.gif
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lolz,

Sprintex is using twin-screw, if not mistaken as its bolt on-top of the engine...

dunno, who got bolt-on centrifugal supercharger~! hmm.gif
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post Mar 11 2013, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Mar 11 2013, 05:36 PM)
I think we can more or less summarize the super vs turbo something like this:-

- A turbo gives you more potential maximum power and is more efficient in boosting because it recycles waste exhaust into boost.
- A turbo also runs very hot, which requires an intercooler.
- Has more parts and therefore more potential to fail as well.
- Has turbo lag

- A supercharger gives less potential maximum power and is less efficient, because it depends on your engine spin to generate boost, which is a source of drag on the engine
- Because it has less parts, it has less chances for failure and should logically be easier to install.
- Has no lag

Based on the above, I would think a supercharger is more suitable for the average joe wanting more pulling power on his day to day drive while a turbocharger is more suitable for the enthusiast wanting to max out his engine.

But then again, technology these days have advanced rapidly so this might be outdated.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Above bold wording, is that correct? as i thought i should be force more air into the engine to create a pressurize air to boost the car whilst entering into the combustion? and supercharger are more instant HP gain thn turbo but not maximize like turbo did.

P/S: highly tune Supercharger need intercooler as well.. not only turbocharger~!

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post Mar 11 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Mar 11 2013, 05:48 PM)
Yes. IINM, the reason why it gives more instant hp gain BUT less maximum output like turbo is because it depends on engine pulley to turn the turbine.
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oh ok, as u stated there "less efficient" as i thought ur meaning is less effective for hp gain... laugh.gif
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post Mar 11 2013, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Mar 11 2013, 05:52 PM)
There was one guy who told me supercharger is not as drivable in town as we think. The boost will cause unsmooth start-stop traffic acceleration. I've never driven one so I cannot validate.
For Campro, turbo is cheaper than supercharger. Sprintex supercharger need 9k, turbo can be done as cheap as 5-6k, even cheaper if bought from those otai-otai who is upgrading, I've been offered a full setup 2k without management.
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==" why need to use sprintex supercharger? if comapre turbine to turbine it can do much cheaper thn turbo.

Sprintex why need 9K?? as producing screw-type it need to be rotate accurately to force air to engine the tuning and timing to do screw-type its the cost of why screw-type supercharger is more expensive thn turbine..
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post Mar 11 2013, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 11 2013, 06:00 PM)
abg travelmate for your info,supercharger can be boost from idling,terpulang kpd size charger hang paker. Same goes to turbo. Cuba bayangkan klu pakei L2 mia turbo masok injin gaga,konfem sebelom pijak dah start boost. Ada sifu boley sendiri bikin extractor kasi sambong turbine,pastu piping gi intercooler,sambung balik intake dah siap. Senang kan? Cuma masalahnye setting. Gaga mia ECU diprogram utk Vacuum,not boost. Kalu tak setting betol, bila intake pressure dari sedut jadik tiup,ECU akan pikir keta dah rosak,engine cek terus nyala. So,apakah performance nak cerita? Oklah, hang mmg kaya boley masok FCON-V,kasi tambah injektor skyline, tapi tak bermaksud bila boost 0.01 bar lampu engine cek tak nyala. Sama gak banyak petrol masok tapi api tak cukup. Macamlah teksi kuning hitam buat hutan bakar. Pernah aku nampak Gaga xg tukar HALLTECH kasi masok turbo, boost 1.2BAR, cuma pakei tak sampei sebulan piston dah hangus doh.gif padahalnyer conrod talak cukup kuat,oil flow line pon talak bawah crankshaft. Piston macam tofu, mana boley tahan hai boost? Jumlah modal dikeluarkan sehingga engine letup mencecak 20ribu! Cuba bayangkan, alangkah bagui awal awal kasi tukak injin evo7 takyah susah. Bukannyer aku nak look down on injin campro, tapi dgn harga yg sama,tukak injin give u an edge, malah lagi murah. Nak pakei injin stended,regardless supercas ke turbocas,setakat normal boost 0.3bar,saja siok siok dengar blow off valve mmg tiada masalah. Asalkan jgn nanti tangan gatal sendiri bikin boost valve kasi naik boost, injin ancur nanti kena korek dompet lagi susah ati. Semoga hepi tuning dan bawak selamat. Sekian.
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post Mar 11 2013, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(kokhing520 @ Mar 11 2013, 09:25 PM)
do anyone ever meet the problem..

when u drive your car to one of the place..then u shut off your car engine, key pull out..then a moment maybe u have to leave the place and u go to start your car..
then your car was unable to crank on...
its like...key in, turn to acc, turn to on...
kekkkkkkkkkkkk..
again, kekkkkkk...

at last someone help to push your car to side way then the car was able to start again..

any clue?
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It happens sumtimes, i juz crank it, next time u try crank longer.
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post Mar 12 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 12 2013, 10:09 AM)
coolkwc

Close, but not sleep.gif I won't puposely do something to permenant damage my car geh. This tank oni, just to test my Shawie theory. Next tank back to normal.

billy

Its a capacitor cum volt meter for cabin use. Mainly for monitoring battery usage & alternator functionality. With that u able to justify how useful the ular oren is sleep.gif
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u tuang 0.2 litre EO to petrol tank?
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post Mar 12 2013, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 12 2013, 11:03 AM)
i wont do that sleep.gif fiddle with PCV ma gao dim lo
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oic....

thought u put at petrol tank there...lolz

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post Mar 12 2013, 12:14 PM

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hmmm, look nice...

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post Mar 12 2013, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Mar 12 2013, 12:54 PM)
mind to share what mod is that? replace IAFM to VVTI?
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Pour EO to ur petrol... ph34r.gif ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Mar 12 2013, 04:17 PM)
Drove the whole way, nice and sunny.

The moment reach KL, thunderstorm and rain doh.gif
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lol, subang here keep on thuderstorm, but haven't rain yet..
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OMG, heavy rain now... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 12 2013, 05:06 PM)
Nick and I baru habis wash car at Merz then raining kucing anjing. doh.gif

Then have to redah flood. sleep.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 12 2013, 05:18 PM)
apahal u senyum senyum.
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tak blh senyum ke? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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