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ktek
post Mar 13 2013, 08:29 PM

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if enable flash better?
i know flash will force fast shutter speed rite..
ainuddin
post Mar 13 2013, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(thesun @ Mar 13 2013, 05:35 PM)
no, i mean even if using touch screen or button, it still come out blurry.
i think the camera mechanism itself is stupid..
i assume, when we take a picture,

1. we snap the picture
2. focus (lens is moving)
3. light enters the sensor
4. after finish then only lens should retract to default position
but for this phone, i think

1. we snap the picture
2. focus (lens is moving)
3. light enters the sensor
4. the lens already retract to default position BEFORE actual process of image capture done/finish

thats why always blurry

i think nokia wants to show how fast the phone is ready for the next picture..  doh.gif
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there is a blog explaining why the pictures are blurry.

it has something to do with the focus itself; in order to let more light in, it does not focus only the object we want to take the picture of, instead it tries to put everything in the frame in focus. when we snap, the lens would still move a bit, trying to keep focus on everything, rather than the object we want to focus only.

/focusception

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post Mar 13 2013, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Mar 13 2013, 08:35 PM)
there is a blog explaining why the pictures are blurry.

it has something to do with the focus itself; in order to let more light in, it does not focus only the object we want to take the picture of, instead it tries to put everything in the frame in focus. when we snap, the lens would still move a bit, trying to keep focus on everything, rather than the object we want to focus only.

/focusception

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this is something you guys havent master. There is a way to master the focus . How some impressive shot if you wait for continous auto focus you might not get the similar end result.

I am writing an e-book on mobile photography.

You guys can buy it when its out and master those hidden secret. Actually there no secret its just the method you do it
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post Mar 13 2013, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 13 2013, 08:41 PM)
this is something you guys havent master. There is a way to master the focus . How some impressive shot if you wait for continous auto focus you might not get the similar end result.

I am writing an e-book on mobile photography.

You guys can buy it when its out and master those hidden secret. Actually there no secret its just the method you do it
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lyn forumer you give free ah. you richfag, hp always got sponsor still wanna profit meh? tongue.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 13 2013, 08:41 PM)
this is something you guys havent master. There is a way to master the focus . How some impressive shot if you wait for continous auto focus you might not get the similar end result.

I am writing an e-book on mobile photography.

You guys can buy it when its out and master those hidden secret. Actually there no secret its just the method you do it
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I mastered the technique already for macro and medium-distance shots thumbup.gif For landscape shots, not so much yet; im not that skilled in that aspect.
My cousin mistook of of the macro shots i took with this phone for one that came from a digital camera.
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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Mar 13 2013, 09:24 PM)
I mastered the technique already for macro and medium-distance shots  thumbup.gif For landscape shots, not so much yet; im not that skilled in that aspect.
My cousin mistook of of the macro shots i took with this phone for one that came from a digital camera.
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share some pictures please. share some tips also.
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post Mar 13 2013, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Mar 13 2013, 09:35 PM)
share some pictures please. share some tips also.
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I usually take photos of my figures~ This shot below (first photo is from cam directly, 2nd photo is after some photoshop for better composition/colors and brighten up a bit since i used low ISO), at a sports complex in my campus using the stock camera, not proshot. I suppress the noise by using only ISO 100. No flash, no zooming. Exposure & Color balance auto. And, i didnt use tripod, used my hands only, tap on screen to focus. The figure's full height is around 21cm.

One thing i noticed that, if i wanted to focus on the face, i musnt tap on the face, i had to tap on the forehead (bit higher) or tap the chin/neck area ( a bit lower) for maximum sharpness on the face. In short, dont focus on the face directly, go up or down a bit (the focal length changes by millimeters since the figure's face is not a flat surface).

Must have been something to do with the focal length adjustment by the camera (the camera's software algorithm seems to have the tendency of avoiding over-sharpening images which is odd, by not fully focusing on the spot you prefer, by readjusting the focal length difference by a few mm). I suspect it is trying to suppress or minimize noise. This concept worked on my other trials shooting photos of other objects, it's kinda stupid to me really.

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Mar 13 2013, 08:56 PM)
lyn forumer you give free ah. you richfag, hp always got sponsor still wanna profit meh?  tongue.gif
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Not about rich or not its about you pay for the value.

I used do free for event but not many appreciate. So after you buy I dont mind to organized an event just to teach you.
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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Mar 13 2013, 09:24 PM)
I mastered the technique already for macro and medium-distance shots  thumbup.gif For landscape shots, not so much yet; im not that skilled in that aspect.
My cousin mistook of of the macro shots i took with this phone for one that came from a digital camera.
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The distance I am able to reach usually no one believe.
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post Mar 13 2013, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 13 2013, 10:11 PM)
The distance I am able to reach usually no one believe.
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You mean how near you can go? I managed to reach as near as 2 inches on the stock camera
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 13 2013, 10:11 PM)
The distance I am able to reach usually no one believe.
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can share your 920 shots?
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post Mar 13 2013, 10:42 PM

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You need some little digital zoom to get it focus closer with lesser depth of field...
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QUOTE(GKWong @ Mar 13 2013, 10:42 PM)
You need some little digital zoom to get it focus closer with lesser depth of field...
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The nice thing of macros on the L920, because aperture is only f/2.0 you can get a nice blur off the background, sometimes even a bit of bokeh from lights that are far away. Most phone cams are f/2.0 anyway nowadays.

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post Mar 13 2013, 11:15 PM

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http://youtu.be/y3x-Xvw4V08?t=2m2s

look at the 2:02 mark..
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post Mar 13 2013, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(shrumpish @ Mar 13 2013, 11:15 PM)
http://youtu.be/y3x-Xvw4V08?t=2m2s

look at the 2:02 mark..
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QUOTE(suicideroach @ Mar 13 2013, 11:23 PM)
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haha, if you look at the red one, the tiles updated..
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post Mar 13 2013, 11:53 PM

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les kopak pnye org pakai l920 gak ke??
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post Mar 13 2013, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 13 2013, 08:41 PM)
this is something you guys havent master. There is a way to master the focus . How some impressive shot if you wait for continous auto focus you might not get the similar end result.

I am writing an e-book on mobile photography.

You guys can buy it when its out and master those hidden secret. Actually there no secret its just the method you do it
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its not about skills, its about hardware we are talking here.
the camera lens is still moving during the picture taking process... (when actual photons of light hit the sensor, the lens already retracted to its default position) Thats why blur..

so, ebook or no ebook oso no use, picture still blur, not sharp

unless using camera app with manual focus, i think will be different story.

for me, to achieve bokeh, just put the subject away from background..

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post Mar 14 2013, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Mar 13 2013, 08:35 PM)
there is a blog explaining why the pictures are blurry.

it has something to do with the focus itself; in order to let more light in, it does not focus only the object we want to take the picture of, instead it tries to put everything in the frame in focus. when we snap, the lens would still move a bit, trying to keep focus on everything, rather than the object we want to focus only.

/focusception

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where is the blog link?
so, i am correct, the problem lies in the moving lens as picture being captured
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post Mar 14 2013, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(thesun @ Mar 13 2013, 11:53 PM)
its not about skills, its about hardware we are talking here.
the camera lens is still moving during the picture taking process... (when actual photons of light hit the sensor, the lens already retracted to its default position) Thats why blur..

so, ebook or no ebook oso no use, picture still blur, not sharp

unless using camera app with manual focus, i think will be different story.

for me, to achieve bokeh, just put the subject away from background..
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QUOTE(thesun @ Mar 14 2013, 12:06 AM)
where is the blog link?
so, i am correct, the problem lies in the moving lens as picture being captured
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That may be one reason, but that problem can be avoided if you know how to handle the camera. It's all about how you execute it.

This post has been edited by EXkurogane: Mar 14 2013, 12:17 AM

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