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post Apr 14 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Apr 14 2013, 11:23 AM)
Nah the materials should be the same, our Lumias running dated processors(now all quad cores) which should be cheap now, so probably that's why they can slash the price. Plus they are slashing the price to gain more customers, so it's not really a loss larh, it's business smile.gif
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let say u re running a shop .. u sell clothes..

first batch u take all clothes and sell it... the original price and ur margin are Rm90 per piece

second and third batch u reduce the prices of the clothes because there are competitors come out with more design and quality of clothes... so u have forced to reduce it say RM50 per piece , thats a Rm40 loss... so how are u gonna cover it? of course u need find same material to make the clothe out maybe material from china and make the same clothe BUT same quality too thus u can cover ur loss?
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post Apr 14 2013, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(girl83 @ Apr 14 2013, 11:34 AM)
let say u re running a shop .. u sell clothes..

first batch u take all clothes and sell it... the original price and ur margin are Rm90 per piece

second and third batch u reduce the prices of the clothes because there are competitors come out with more design and quality of clothes... so u have forced to reduce it say RM50 per piece , thats a Rm40 loss... so how are u gonna cover it? of course u need find same material to make the clothe out maybe material from china and make the same clothe BUT same quality too thus u can cover ur loss?
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simple, the cost of producing a lumia many times cheaper than selling price, thats why can cover for long term, even if selling below rm1k later oso i think will still higher than production cost per unit
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QUOTE(thesun @ Apr 14 2013, 12:36 PM)
simple, the cost of producing a lumia many times cheaper than selling price, thats why can cover for long term, even if selling below rm1k later oso i think will still higher than production cost per unit
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hmm, i thought nokia profit margin is not high nowadays? its like they're struggling you know with samsung , apple, htc

will nokia survives - tats the question although its leading market for decadesss
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 14 2013, 08:49 AM)
they offer earbud version purity or the big headphones one?

Anymore info about the booth?
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nothing much about the booth..the booth is small that u though tongue.gif

anyway...bundle with Nokia purity hd in-ear (earbud)
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QUOTE(girl83 @ Apr 14 2013, 11:34 AM)
let say u re running a shop .. u sell clothes..

first batch u take all clothes and sell it... the original price and ur margin are Rm90 per piece

second and third batch u reduce the prices of the clothes because there are competitors come out with more design and quality of clothes... so u have forced to reduce it say RM50 per piece , thats a Rm40 loss... so how are u gonna cover it? of course u need find same material to make the clothe out maybe material from china and make the same clothe BUT same quality too thus u can cover ur loss?
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That makes no sense. doh.gif

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hmm, i thought nokia profit margin is not high nowadays? its like they're struggling you know with samsung , apple, htc

will nokia survives - tats the question although its leading market for decadesss


Compare Apple to all these other "cheap" brand and what do you see? Slightly higher prices that never drop in RRP for years. High customer goodwill (epic customer service), wide perception of high quality products from Apple by the market (even those who don't buy apple products) and of course, major marketing bucks to uphold that "premium brand image". Of course they're gonna rake in the money (70% of the mobile market profits with only 10% of the market share).
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QUOTE(red streak @ Apr 14 2013, 01:06 PM)
That makes no sense.  doh.gif
Compare Apple to all these other "cheap" brand and what do you see? Slightly higher prices that never drop in RRP for years. High customer goodwill (epic customer service), wide perception of high quality products from Apple by the market (even those who don't buy apple products) and of course, major marketing bucks to uphold that "premium brand image". Of course they're gonna rake in the money (70% of the mobile market profits with only 10% of the market share).
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If that makes no sense, don't bother to reply whistling.gif
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(weileong @ Apr 14 2013, 01:05 PM)
nothing much about the booth..the booth is small that u though  tongue.gif

anyway...bundle with Nokia purity hd in-ear (earbud)
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brb I in dilemma now, either buy 920 now or 720 4 months later @ RM799 rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 14 2013, 01:09 PM)
brb I in dilemma now, either buy 920 now or 720 4 months later @ RM799 rclxub.gif
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Go for top one(920) if you had enough budget... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(girl83 @ Apr 14 2013, 01:09 PM)
If that makes no sense, don't bother to reply  whistling.gif
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Just doing community service for the thread: pointing out stupid comparisons that have no basis in fact. whistling.gif

This post has been edited by red streak: Apr 14 2013, 01:13 PM
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(weileong @ Apr 14 2013, 01:05 PM)
nothing much about the booth..the booth is small that u though  tongue.gif

anyway...bundle with Nokia purity hd in-ear (earbud)
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lol.. i thought PURITY ON EAR,
if IN EAR, not much different la..

fuhh.. rclxm9.gif
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(thesun @ Apr 14 2013, 01:13 PM)
lol.. i thought PURITY ON EAR,
if IN EAR, not much different la..

fuhh..  rclxm9.gif
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Still Even stated SRP RM488..Retail purchased is around RM230-250++ only..
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(weileong @ Apr 14 2013, 01:15 PM)
Still Even stated SRP RM488..Retail purchased is around RM230-250++ only..
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i rarely use in ear type,
if bundled with wireless stereo headset, sure i cry day and night.. lol..


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QUOTE(weileong @ Apr 14 2013, 01:15 PM)
Still Even stated SRP RM488..Retail purchased is around RM230-250++ only..
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1699-1500(garage sales) = RM199 so not much diff lah LOL!

ok can pass liao, plan to buy phone by Aug-Oct 2013 anyway.
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QUOTE(red streak @ Apr 14 2013, 01:12 PM)
Just doing community service for the thread: pointing out stupid comparisons that have no basis in fact.  whistling.gif
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what kind of service? i speak based on facts and giving examples out.

if thats stupid comparisons and why bother reply in the first place? you don't comprehend it well, do you? doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(thesun @ Apr 14 2013, 01:19 PM)
i rarely use in ear type,
if bundled with wireless stereo headset, sure i cry day and night.. lol..
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LOL...nvm la..since u brought it...if really satisfy on usage...dont care the price drop.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(girl83 @ Apr 14 2013, 01:20 PM)
what kind of service? i speak based on facts and giving examples out.

if thats stupid comparisons and why bother reply in the first place? you don't comprehend it well, do you?  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Nah it's you who can't comprehend the situation here. Clothes aren't comparable to high tech electronics. If your clothes got issue, rips, missing buttons or whatever, can easily repair peanuts only. You use lower quality people can easily detect it and will not buy from you.

Whereas electronics if you use lower quality the probability of defects occurring (and thus incurring high repair costs/losses on the part of the manufacturer) exponentially rises. You don't screw around with electronics (i.e - unlike Acer). It's a well known fact that smartphones have a significantly high margin of profit which is why they can drop the prices so much, thus only cutting into their significant profits. So where are you gonna cut when production cost is already as low as they can get away with without compromising build quality? Let's say the cheapest high-end Nexus 4 is sold at near cost ($299) and let's say the L920 costs slightly more to produce ($350). The RRP for the L920 is $650 ($300 gross profit). Oh but wait, all the internals are locked down in price and bought in bulk (hundreds of thousands or millions of components all at once), the screen is only supplied by one company and there's only a few generational variants, and the polycarbonate shell casing is probably the cheapest part and manufactured in-house. So tell me, where are they supposedly going to get these "cheaper" materials from when they've got all these parts still lying around? Phone companies don't buy in piecemeal. They buy in bulk. You also can't change materials on the fly just because you want to cut cost because it involves R&D and time to test out the quality/suitability of the build and then retooling your manufacturing bases to produce these new materials . More time that could have been spent on producing more existing phones and more cost....in order to reduce cost on something that will be obsolete in a year? What a laughable concept.

The only reason why Apple can maintain their insanely high profits is because they keep their consumers happy and their price high (thus never cutting into their profit margins). Other companies can easily do the same, i.e - Samsung is getting into the game, but most aren't able to compete with quality or marketing and thus they have take less profit in order to move their existing stock. (Lumia 920 RM1999->RM1699). If Nokia is struggling, it's only because they aren't selling enough high-end phones.

Heck someone already pointed out that Nokia's profit margin is significant but you're too far in denial to see it. "Oh I tot it so small. Iz noookia doomed?"
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QUOTE(solution2u @ Apr 14 2013, 09:27 AM)
Early buy you enjoy the phone earlier, later buy you enjoy the discount. If you want the phone at cheapest price, get the phone 1 year later. But by that time, i believe you already in tempted with new model already biggrin.gif
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Apr 14 2013, 01:44 PM)
Nah it's you who can't comprehend the situation here. Clothes aren't comparable to high tech electronics. If your clothes got issue, rips, missing buttons or whatever, can easily repair peanuts only. You use lower quality people can easily detect it and will not buy from you.

Whereas electronics if you use lower quality the probability of defects occurring (and thus incurring high repair costs/losses on the part of the manufacturer) exponentially rises. You don't screw around with electronics (i.e - unlike Acer). It's a well known fact that smartphones have a significantly high margin of profit which is why they can drop the prices so much, thus only cutting into their significant profits. So where are you gonna cut when production cost is already as low as they can get away with without compromising build quality? Let's say the cheapest high-end Nexus 4 is sold at near cost ($299) and let's say the L920 costs slightly more to produce ($350). The RRP for the L920 is $650 ($300 gross profit). Oh but wait, all the internals are locked down in price and bought in bulk (hundreds of thousands or millions of components all at once), the screen is only supplied by one company and there's only a few generational variants, and the polycarbonate shell casing is probably the cheapest part and manufactured in-house. So tell me, where are they supposedly going to get these "cheaper" materials from when they've got all these parts still lying around? Phone companies don't buy in piecemeal. They buy in bulk. You also can't change materials on the fly just because you want to cut cost because it involves R&D and time to test out the quality/suitability of the build and then retooling your manufacturing bases to produce these new materials . More time that could have been spent on producing more existing phones and more cost....in order to reduce cost on something that will be obsolete in a year? What a laughable concept.

The only reason why Apple can maintain their insanely high profits is because they keep their consumers happy and their price high (thus never cutting into their profit margins). Other companies can easily do the same, i.e - Samsung is getting into the game, but most aren't able to compete with quality or marketing and thus they have take less profit in order to move their existing stock. (Lumia 920 RM1999->RM1699). If Nokia is struggling, it's only because they aren't selling enough high-end phones.

Heck someone already pointed out that Nokia's profit margin is significant but you're too far in denial to see it. "Oh I tot it so small. Iz noookia doomed?"
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I was merely giving out examples, not comparing it - you have comprehending problem

scroll up and re-read . you have ur views and i have mine . simple as that

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