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 Samsung Galaxy Note II LYN's Official Thread V18, FEB OTA 4.1.2 XXDMB4 - NO CHANGELOGS

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post Feb 20 2013, 09:23 PM

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those looking for EU original 2A travel adapter, fyi, next week stock should arrive

and also will be bringing in IRON MAN battery cover (also will have cute hello kitty too). lol
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post Feb 23 2013, 07:02 PM

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guys, a bit off topic question

how to put in the youtube link properly?
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post Feb 23 2013, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(joytest @ Feb 23 2013, 07:04 PM)
I'm typing on the note so can't describe properly but u just need the id string after = like vdhrYnd3s then u enclose this with the lyn youtube tag.
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lol. thx bro

it works

i put the entire hyperlink in it doh.gif

btw, possible to resize the youtube display?
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post Feb 24 2013, 06:24 PM

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hi all,

you guys know that note2 battery is charged to 4.35V instead of general practice of other phones which is charged to 4.2V

In principal, if all things are the same, charging to 4.35V reduce battery life by more than half

so my question is, anyone has an idea if the samsung cell is so great compare to others that it can withstand this higher voltage or can we expect shorter life span for note2?
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QUOTE(antt00 @ Feb 24 2013, 06:33 PM)
Only knew about this when andrei made this tweakable. But did not know that it will reduce batt life by half.  shocking.gif That is alot, is there any link proving this.

BTW, perseus kernel can change this to 4.2V if you want.
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By battery life I mean how long it can last before the battery finally degrade or died completely

In short charge cycle reduced by half
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post Feb 24 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(antt00 @ Feb 24 2013, 08:05 PM)
Erm if you intrapolate the graph to note 2 batt capacity, wouldn't 4.35V have way more charge cycle.  smile.gif
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I mean to point out the comparison between different max charge voltage impact of battery life, not the absolute value

Anyway if want to do interpolation, note1 battery many user complain their battery fat after only less than 1 year use

Also doesn't match the graph on absolute value
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QUOTE(antt00 @ Feb 24 2013, 11:20 PM)
Yes i know that the graph show the difference of the max Charge voltage effect.  But the effect differs for different size battery. 

Dunno about note 1 cos i dun use or follow it, but battery becoming fat is not conclusive to blame it on the voltage. 

I dunno where is the source of the graph or if it is applicable to the current battery in our note 2 so no comment on that.
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The graph represents li ion battery in general as note2 as well as most phone using li ion. So it is valid

Only difference between different brand battery is the cell quality but even if battery quality is good, will have similar charge cycle reduction as lousy quality ones. Just maybe not so severe drop

I know note1 issues cuz many ppl buy from me shows me their bloated battery. Not a few cases. A lot of them. And most I ask use less or about 1 year

Fat battery points to li ion cells already being damaged by over charging. This is mainly due to the ic that supposed to protect that cell becomes defect after certain period of usage. With no ic regulating the charging, the cell bloats

Now why the ic failed? I don't know. Can be the ic quality and note1 specific issue. But pumping 4.35v will stress the ic more than 4.2v in principle (of course if note2 use much better quality ic will have less problems)

Actually when I started the question , I just want to know if note2 battery technology already taken a big leap compare to note1 that now Samsung allows it to be charged to 4.35v or there is no actual leap in technology, just that Samsung wants to boost battery life (4.35v will give you better battery life compare to 4.2v) in short term to show note2 is great but later we will see faster defect

I just curious if anyone knows notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(joytest @ Feb 24 2013, 11:55 PM)
My very uninformed answer is that Samsung is probably not the only one with >4.2V charging for the latest Li Ions. I was searching out 18650 cells a few weeks back, and there are some which charge at 4.35V as well. So it could be that the latest charging designs call for input voltages up to 4.35V, which might mean that the cells are designed to those parameters.
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That's possible but btw bro. Even note2 if you have the right charger can go up to 4.4v as well . Will get even better battery life but consequences is ...... will die faster
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QUOTE(joytest @ Feb 25 2013, 12:06 AM)
So maybe you can forecast some GN2 battery stocks by next month, since it will be 6 months (180days) since launch and you can expect a number of pregnant batteries coming your way.  laugh.gif

I guess you won't expect tot31 since he charges only every 2 days.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Lol.

I just trigger the discussion because a bit curious only on battery tech

I can't forecast when note2 battery will die. Haha


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QUOTE(joytest @ Feb 25 2013, 12:14 AM)
Can maaaa....since 4.3V+ will only give 200 cycles .... 180days, 6months +

Anyway, since we're on the 180days subject, any victims of SDS for GN2? There could have been 1 or 2 already in the last couple of thread versions.
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Bro that graph is generic only ler

Most likely they use some 18650 cell

May not come from Samsung

Again that graph main purpose to show the effect of higher charging voltage impact relative to lower ones

Don't take the numbers on absolute terms

Will be interesting to see how would note2 (4.35v) compare to note1 (4.2v) in terms of battery life

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QUOTE(antt00 @ Feb 25 2013, 07:53 AM)
Yeah for the sake of discussion my points was just based on the generic graph you posted.  Not a battery expert. 

From the graph the BIGGER the battery 4.35 gives MORE charge cycle compared to. 4.2. That was what i was pointing out.  Hence i was just curious why you said it will be worse.  smile.gif
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you sure? sweat.gif

Look at charge cycle #400. Didn't see the 4.35V anymore sweat.gif
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QUOTE(antt00 @ Feb 25 2013, 09:48 AM)
Note 2 battery capacity is not in the graph.  If u extrapolate the graph to our capacity 4.35 will have more charge cycle than 4.2. Its a graph so u have to look at both axis not just the charge cycle axis

Which is why i ask if this graph is applicable for us. And it also show the bigger the battery the faster it dies. Lol.
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yes bro, i know note2 3100mah is not in the graph. again as stated, this is a generic graph to show the relative comparison between 4.2V and 4.35V max charge cycle.

and again, even if there is a 3100mah graph, it may look different for note2 battery (original) because the quality is different

So, pls don't take the charge cycle numbers literally and apply it for Note2 to predict how long it can be charged before it died off

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I give a simple example. Controlled environment experiment for a specific car maker shows

1) 30 litre petrol tank car can go 300km
2) 10 litre petrol tank car can go 100km

Now if take a car from a different maker with 40 litre petrol tank, will it be able to go exactly 400km ? this hard to say. can be 400, 450 or even only 350 because it depends on how efficient is the design

BUT can we agree that with bigger petrol tank, we can drive further? Yes, we can say that

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so that's what i am trying to point out. i wouldn't say from the graph what's the actual charge cycle will be for Note2 but we can agree charging at 4.35V in general will reduce the charge cycle compare to 4.2V

hope this clarifies things

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and as stated in my earlier post, i was more interested to compare Note1 (4.2V) to Note2 (4.35V)

From my experience (selling replacement batteries to those pregnant ori batteries), lifetime is about 1 year.

So if Note2 battery is indeed a positive leap in technology, then we will see similar or maybe better charge cycle compare to Note1

BUT if it is still the same battery technology as in Note1, then will have lower charge cycle for Note2


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hi guys,

as mentioned earlier before cny, i will launch my first brotan 1st year anniversary online fair

it will start this friday. i will announce the details to note2 forum tomorrow and official pre-fair thread will be created thursday

again it is related to cool hot items, not discounted clear stock items

stay tuned
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hi guys,

as promised, a preview of my online promo to note2 users first. tomorrow i will post official thread

online promo duration : 1st to 17th march

buy anything worth min RM 30 (excluding postage) from my list (except MDC products) will entitle to buy

1) Yoobao thunder 13000mah MDC unit (pouch + charger + 1 yr warranty)
RRP - 259
My normal price - 199
Online fair price - 179

2) Yoobao 11200mah MDC unit (pouch + charger + 1 yr warranty)
RRP - 239
My normal price - 179
Online fair price - 165

of course my thread will be a bit more descriptive but just to let you know the core of the deal

As promised, these are hot products biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(joytest @ Feb 27 2013, 10:06 AM)
You want this on post 1?
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lol. no need lah

those lucky to see this ok lor

or else see tomorrow rclxms.gif

oh yah. this promo exclusive to LYN only
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QUOTE(joytest @ Feb 27 2013, 10:06 AM)
You want this on post 1?

"these are hot products"
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QUOTE(joytest @ Feb 27 2013, 10:09 AM)
grammar  tongue.gif
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lowyat.net should have those spelling correction tool like MS Word.

Less effort for TS . hehe

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QUOTE(Blackthorn @ Feb 27 2013, 10:39 AM)
brotan..

is it Yoobao 13000 is YB-651 Thunder and Yoobao 11200 is YB-655 Pro?
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