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post Feb 19 2013, 06:45 PM, updated 11y ago

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Source: The Business Times © Singapore Press Holdings Limited. Reproduced with permission Author: Cai Haoxiang 18/2/2013

http://www.cpf.gov.sg/imsavvy/infohub_arti...368126}&print=1

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/specials/y...es-all-20130218

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MOST investors live by the virtues of diversification - that is, not putting all your eggs in one basket.

Not Ryan Khoo Chung Ming. The 30-year-old bought his first apartment in his native Malaysia in 2007 when looking for a place to stay. Then, the market was not as buoyant. He spotted an opportunity for studio apartments and bought more and more, maxing out his borrowing limits.

He even moved to Singapore in 2009 to get a higher-paying job so he could borrow even more.

Today, he owns 13 apartments in Kuala Lumpur, a studio apartment in the United States, a studio apartment in Singapore, and has also invested in an office unit in Johor Baru and a hotel floor in KL. The total value of his portfolio has gone up and is now worth RM10 million (S$4 million). Half of the portfolio is yield-generating, with the remainder under construction.

Like many who buy property, he is highly leveraged, borrowing more than RM8 million. But with rental income more than covering his mortgage payments, Mr Khoo quit his bank job to focus full-time on his property investment club, Alpha Marketing.

Says Mr Khoo: "After my first rental unit, I saw I could get attractive returns. I thought, why buy one, I should buy more, it was such a waste. I knew I can still borrow, so I borrowed more. I bought units in the same block together with friends," he says, adding that stocks were too volatile for him.

"When you're young, you can take the risk, don't diversify. If you're trying to make it, you should be a bit more focused," he adds.

Mr Khoo grew up in Petaling Jaya, a city near KL, in a middle-class family. His father worked in the navy, and his mother was a housewife.

"Growing up, I had an idea to do business. But the expectation was to go to university, get a good degree, get a job, buy a house, get married, settle down and have children," he says.

He graduated in end-2004 with a degree in electronics engineering. "Things were tough for engineers, the pay was lower. I didn't feel I had the aptitude to get ahead in the industry. So I joined something with bigger prospects," he says.

He joined Standard Chartered Bank in 2005 as a loan product manager, with a starting pay of around RM3,000 a month.

Valuable experience was gained in the process, which he later used to his advantage. "I learnt that loan approval depends on your income and employment, your age, I learnt about debt service ratios that banks use to determine how much to lend to you," he says.

In 2007, he was looking for a place to stay and found a three-bedroom, 1,100 sq ft apartment in the KL suburbs for RM300,000. By that time, he was earning around RM5,000 to RM6,000 a month.

The downpayment was just 10 per cent, or RM30,000 - easily paid for with saved-up cash. Then his colleague, who is also his age, told him about one-bedroom apartments. He thus bought his first investment property - a 380 sq ft one-bedder.

The studio apartment, near KL's city centre, was going for RM170,000 and could be rented out for RM1,800 a month. This translates to a gross yield of more than 12 per cent.

"Those were the days when property investing wasn't so sexy," he recalls.

"We found there was a shortage of supply of one-bedders in the city centre. But expats need a place to stay. So we bought more studios, together with friends. We bought whatever we could find. We bought till we ran out of money."

In 2008, he bought four more units, each costing around RM200,000. The downpayment for each was either 10 per cent, or lower than that for properties where owners were financially distressed.

"I ran out of money, my income hit the borrowing limit," he says.

Mr Khoo thus transferred to his bank's Singapore office in 2009. His father helped him manage his properties in KL. In 2009, he bought one more studio unit, in 2010, five more, and in early 2011, two more.

Last year, he bought a 590 sq ft studio apartment in Singapore that cost SGD$650,000 (MYR1.63M) . In early 2011, he started Alpha Marketing with his girlfriend Melissa Low, a finance executive.

"I realised Singaporeans lacked knowledge about buying properties in Malaysia. They know more about property investing in Australia and the UK than in their neighbouring country. There is a lot of suspicion. But I want to show that it's not difficult," he says.

"Agents bring leftover stuff to sell here. I want to stay here and serve a certain market segment: Malaysians here go back often but are out of touch, and Singaporeans who want to invest in property but find Singapore hard to invest in, and the UK, Australia and the US too expensive."

Last year, he thought about quitting his job and living in Malaysia off his rental income.

"But my mum told me, you are only 30 years old, why do you want to quit and live like that for the rest of your life? She told me to continue working.

"But after working for so long in a bank, I didn't like the thought of politics and ladder-climbing in larger companies."

Hence the decision to quit his job last December and focus on his club. "It's a passion," he says simply. Mr Khoo is now a licensed sales person under ERA Realty Network.

Alpha Marketing began through sharing sessions over dinner. It grew by word of mouth and social media, and eventually started organising seminars on property investing. Now, there are 1,000 on the mailing list, out of which 100 are active investors. "Membership is free but we make money off deals," he says.

"I can't do this alone. Having partners mean having a network, sharing information, and we can work together to buy. We try to be selective, we want to avoid selling leftover, overpriced property."

Buying property in a club allows investors to buy bigger properties like office space and hotel buildings. High net worth individuals who want to stay low-key also go through him to get more financial firepower for the deals they are doing.

Says Mr Khoo of his plans: "I don't have a target as to how much I want to acquire. I want to get some prime property in Iskandar, and build a name for myself as an expert on Malaysian property."

He is bullish on the Iskandar region, which both countries see as an alternative for Singaporean businesses, and a location that is just an hour away.

"In five years' time more Singaporeans will want to stay there, instead of Johor Baru where there are still worries about crime," he says, noting that the infrastructure there is being developed well.

Now, Mr Khoo's rental income adds up to around SGD$3,000 (MYR7,500) a month after deducting loan repayments and maintenance fees. He also earns commissions from property deals.

"I would call myself thrifty. But if I want to upgrade my lifestyle, this is not enough," he says.

He says property prices have gone up in Malaysia and Singapore and it is harder for investors to find attractive buys now. Even though his investments are highly leveraged, he is undeterred. "If the market falls, I can cut rentals and still break even," he says.

"But it is not so easy now. Developers are building a lot, and supply is coming up in Singapore and KL. So I might try to cash out in 2016 or 2017."

http://www.alphamarketingsg.com/index.php/medianews

This post has been edited by chess_gal: Feb 19 2013, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 19 2013, 08:11 PM)
The value of the portfolio isnt important. He can have RM 10 billion for all i care. What's important is:

1) Whats the capital appreciation of the portfolio?
2) Whats the net returns after all deductions?

Based on what he's said, he only gets RM3K net every month after all deductions. If u ask me i would say that's really dangerous especially in the current market scenario. Even a 25 basis point increase by BNM would spell trouble for his investments since he's very heavily leveraged. One property gave him a 12% yield but from his monthly net returns, u can gauge that his other properties arent doing that well. Probably just breaking even with his loan repayments.
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Note that this is Singapore newspaper. It is SGD3,000 NETT (MYR7,500) after all tax, maintenance, audit/secretary fee. Note that half of the porfolios are under construction.

He started with studios in KL, all studios are tenanted and currently moved into commercial office, hotels and a residential in Singapore. Commercial are all undercon thus no yield yet.

This post has been edited by chess_gal: Feb 19 2013, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 19 2013, 11:17 PM)
last time easy to get loan. now different story.
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Did you then take advantage of it last time? Of course it is harder now, hence different strategy applies.

Intention of sharing this article is to show that everyone can make it in property, not necessary from a well off family, what is needed just network, diligent in finding the right property and lotsa guts.

Just for your info, Ryan & Faizul (Pai) were once colleagues and they started together. Ryan left Msia 3 years ago to grow his income to take more loan.
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Feb 19 2013, 11:45 PM)
Only positive cash flow due to DIBS.....don't need twist facts..

Lets see if he can maintain his hot streak through 2013/2014 or if he's gonna crash and burn like so many gamblers before him.
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Thank you for your concern on his future welfare smile.gif

You will see more of him in the papers, oh wait. Singapore paper. Guess you would have no access to it. I'll share on LYN next time.
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QUOTE(Donald Trump @ Feb 20 2013, 01:32 AM)
U WILL BE SURPRISE PEOPLE THAT TCSS HERE...10 mil port is kacang putih
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Oh yeah. You are definitely one of the TCSS.

Haven't been to lyn forum for 2 years, property talk thread has become kopitiam style forum. Where are all the admins?

Rather than asking how he did it, everyone just focus on the statistical number. Myr10m is not a big sum, he is just leveraging on the bank.

Sense a lot sour grape and key board warrior lurking around. No wonder a lot good forumers have stopped sharing. Stop looking at the numbers, rather, look at his sharing on his last note. Singaporean are streaming in to buy iskandar and cause of the min ceiling, msian has advantage.

Anyways, what he did cannot be repeated. Question is, why didn't you do back then? You had the same 2007 year as he did. What were you doing then?

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QUOTE(Donald Trump @ Feb 20 2013, 01:30 AM)
Understand that what u r trying to promote here but dont forget there are lots of humble heavy weights in forums...u will be surprise that they are quietly laughing at your so called " successful story"
may be forumers get fed up already... after the "malaysian version" also something something at the age 0f 30 now a runaway singapore version suddenly sprung up wink.gif ...keep on bragging about how many studios one have..big deal?
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smile.gif of course he is not the only one. There are many more, quiet investors who did better than him but keep a low key profile. But to keep our free club going, reporters got interested on how we survive without charging a fee to members, thus this interview. We were also invited to speak at Singapore property event and by words of mouth, some media got to know us. thanks to mr Ho chin soon, Gavin tee, Thomas Ong, who recommended us.

So we thought, why not? A lot gurus out there charging exorbitant fee to teach investors, then resell them deals. We don't charge fee and if you like us, you join else you can attend free seminar for fun n network.

Investing is our passion, if you think we are bragging, I apologise. Intention is to bring investor together to get more fire power and earn money together. Note that we only buy studios not meant for local use. Studios usually tenanted by expat or foreigner. I am against the idea of buying residential meant for local use and low cost housing.

Now we are moving into commercial and hotel investment, again not impacting the general public. So, I think Ryan and myself are investing ethically.


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post Feb 20 2013, 07:40 AM

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If it is so easy to be rich, everybody will be li ka shing and Donald trump.

P/s: why credits card debt? Nah, we don't swipe card to buy ppty.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Feb 20 2013, 07:44 AM)
No, more like can I afford to take action then.

How about you. Did you take action then?

Also, I don't like the fact he is so over leveraged.

If I owe 8 million to the banks...I would not be able to sleep at night, regardless of return.

One thing turns wrong...boom.
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I did take action but not as aggressive as him. And once I bought second ppty. Boom they restrict the loan borrowing few months after.
If few million cannot sleep then Borrow until the bank cannot sleep as they can't afford you to go bankrupt.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 20 2013, 08:39 AM)
Although we have been at loggerheads on other threads, in this case i agree with you 100%. He has got 80% leveraging and only RM3K net income every month despite 'owning' >15 properties. If the present situation remains, its alright since your rental income pays off your loans. Current BLR is 6.60%. Assuming BNM raises the OPR by 25 basis points and the BLR goes up to 6.85%. Would his existing rental returns be able to cover his commitments?

But i think he too knows that there's something looming in the horizon which is why he said he plans to cash out in 2016. That's the year when 80% of the current developments will come online and thousands of residential units will be on the market. So what happens then?
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Its sgd3k. Papers in Singapore.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 20 2013, 08:49 AM)
Noted. Ive edited my post already. So mind sharing with us what his plans are regarding a 'cash out' in 2016? Also is his portfolio based on purchase prices or current prices?
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13 studios only account 30% of the prop value which is yield generating. After minusing all audit fee, corporste tax, loan n maintenance. 13 prop based on valuation price and under con base on spa price.

Like he had mentioned he has fully utilise his loan borrowing thus finding partners to jv. Most of it held under company, sdn bhd. Separate legal entity.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Feb 20 2013, 08:54 AM)
Thou I salute to his guts, SGD 3k is just merely RM 7.5k. Let assume with a debt of RM 3mil and slight increase in OPR, he is back to work for sure. Of cos if BLR stays till 2020 and a 8%-10% increment of rental in every 2-3yrs, and new tenants for those soon to b VP props, he is somehow on the safer side.

Btw, if without earning per deal basis, SGD 3k is really nothin. Rental for a 2 rooms apartment is bout SGD 2k if I'm not mistaken. Of cos there r cheaper option. Unless he owns a low debt shelter there.
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Yes agree with you. The 13 prop barely enough to be rich. Can live on it in msia moderately 0but not sg hence we are moving into commercial and singapore prop. At least not stuck with a 9 to 5 job. Freedom of time.
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QUOTE(khairul88hazwan @ Feb 20 2013, 11:33 AM)
Write a book and leverage it like Faizul Ridzuan did.
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Haha. Faizul book is enough. Since they are ex colleague, materials will be more or less the same. Of course credit to faizul who influence ryan into studio investment. Just fyi. 13 prop are existing. Commercial are undercon which takes a bulk of it.

With regards to tax, we pay tax in msia as income arises in msia. Thus his income msia has no impact to sg income tax and not subjected to higher tax bracket. Btw sg personal tax is damn low after relief.

I agree the bull run in studios will stop thats why we didn't invest in residential since 2011 and gone into commercial recent year.
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Feb 20 2013, 01:10 PM)
accumulate 13 properties with only 3-5k income, not many young fella can do it. Many from this income group still crying for homeless.
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Read the article,

2007 - Income RM5-6k first property

after that, he has increment, promotion & bonus. Note that he bought ppty on average below 220k (some more and some less, just say 220k as a median), with 90% loan, this number is not rocket science.

Simple mathematic,

13*220k = MYR2.86m *10% = MYR286k

Graduated in 2004, 3 years to accummulate cash.

1st year - Savings 1k*12 = 12k + bonus 6k = 28k
2nd year - Savings 2k*12 = 24k + bonus 12k = 36k
3rd year - savings 3k*12 = 36k + bonus 18k = 54k
Total cash in 2007 - 118k

Then from 2007 onwards, he was bullish, buying a few more and his income + bonus keep increasing.

Not forgetting CPF and refinancing of his earlier property.

He ran out of money and loan limit, thus transferred to Sg to earn double the income and gain back more fire power. Please read Faizul book on how Faizul did it, almost similar.

The 13 existing property just enough for him to stay in Sg doing nothing. The bulk of the money making machine is still undercon, the second part that I would like to highlight is the part where the real intention of this article. If he wanna brag, seriously SGD3K only? He could bullshit SGD10k noone would find out but reporter was curious and even took out spreadsheet and start counting his networth. Ryan also mentioned that the money is just enough for him to survive in SG with a roof over his head and food on table.

The intention is the second part of the article, so stop harping on the statistic. Reporter put it in to make it sound realistic and achievable.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 20 2013, 01:47 PM)
Did u invest in your home land Kajang?
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No. Not looking to invest in residential anymore unless a great bargain comes along.
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Not very familiar with kajang despite I grew up there. But prices have definitely risen over the years with more quality homes coming on board. Focusing on iskandar and singapore.

Today news in sg is so bullish of iskandar. What about msia papers?

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QUOTE(accetera @ Feb 20 2013, 02:16 PM)
FYI, Iskandar is not very well-received by people here in KL. And people here are not too bothered with what's going on Iskandar, unless you are in the property investment fraternity or developer.

PS: All my Iskandar threads that I started here (including Setia Sky 88) barely have more than 5 posts. Alamak.
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Yes

I realised that too, in Singapore, Iskandar is damn hot. But a lot KL investor are not very keen with development in Iskandar. The thing is that, Sg government is imposing a lot of investment restriction in Sg for investors, thus many of them are looking elsewhere and Iskandar seems to be the best place to park the money. (cheaper alternative)

Plus, the ferry terminal is opening next month to connect both Harbour Front (Singapore) and Puteri Harbour, am so looking forward to the influx of Singaporean into Iskandar. Commercials will definitely fly.





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QUOTE(LeoLilieno @ Feb 22 2013, 04:01 PM)
Wonder where he gets his money from for all the initial down payment. Dont tell me his loan all 100%. Bank also not stupid to provide mortage  to a young fella without any guarantee. Wonder why income tax did not check his background where he get his money from at this young age. So, bottom line is, only those whose parents are filthy rich can dream about this kind of success.
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Obviously you have not read faizul ridzuan book. An average chap accumulating massive portfolio. Read his story again, he borrowed to his max thus came to sg to earn bigger currency and at the same time jv w partners. Do you think the partners are so stupid to invest w him if he is so dumb like whst you guys assumed? It is like a private investment fund but just investing with close friends and partners.

We submit income tax and pay tax as we believe the more tax you pay, the higher chance of you getting bigger loan. Shows you are profitable.

I can vouch that his family is not rich. Read the story, dad is in navy, a government servant.

Don't blame your parents for not being rich to give you success you desire but work for your damn own success. No risk no gain. Most ppl regret for things they did not do rather than things they did.


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QUOTE(LeoLilieno @ Feb 22 2013, 04:01 PM)
Wonder where he gets his money from for all the initial down payment. Dont tell me his loan all 100%. Bank also not stupid to provide mortage  to a young fella without any guarantee. Wonder why income tax did not check his background where he get his money from at this young age. So, bottom line is, only those whose parents are filthy rich can dream about this kind of success.
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Obviously you have not read faizul ridzuan book. An average chap accumulating massive portfolio. Read his story again, he borrowed to his max thus came to sg to earn bigger currency and at the same time jv w partners. Do you think the partners are so stupid to invest w him if he is so dumb like whst you guys assumed? It is like a private investment fund but just investing with close friends and partners.

We submit income tax and pay tax as we believe the more tax you pay, the higher chance of you getting bigger loan. Shows you are profitable.

I can vouch that his family is not rich. Read the story, dad is in navy, a government servant.

Don't blame your parents for not being rich to give you success you desire but work for your damn own success. No risk no gain. Most ppl regret for things they did not do rather than things they did.


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QUOTE(LeoLilieno @ Feb 23 2013, 06:20 PM)
I never said he is dumb... Just wondering where he gets his initial downpayment from. He is 30 yrs old now and he starts investing in 2007. Thats mean he starts everything at 24 yrs old. IF you do not have sizeable savings, how to invest heavily? I work in banks before and there is NO way they will borrow IF the risk is too high.

You are right. I did not read his book and I am not blaming my parents for not being rich. I am just wondering how he manage to start the whole thing. No experience and young and people willing to invest in him? Hmmm......
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Noone invest in him, rather they invest together legally through a company. All it takes is hardwork to source for a gd deal, mingle with high networth ppl, be willing to learn and be humble, eventually the rich will see you worthy enough to be their apprentice. Ryan is a front, behind him are the real tycoons but they didn't want too much publicity thus suggested Ryan who has nothing to lose be the person to liaise with developer and other investor.

Why they trust us despite being young? Cause we are trustworthy. Mr Ho Chin Soon, Mr Gavin Tee & Mr Thomas Ong are our mentor who gave us a chance to be part of them. Of course we deliver what they asked too. We took 2 years to build relationship with a lot of ppl, all it takes is just 1 person to see your worth and rest is history.
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QUOTE(prody @ Feb 23 2013, 07:44 PM)
Yeah, surprising he isn't here himself.
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He is not very active in forum. One Pai is enough smile.gif

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