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 Sony Xperia Z & Xperia ZL Official Thread V2, 5", 4core, 2GBram, 13mp, LTE, waterproof

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post Feb 20 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Feb 19 2013, 10:27 PM)
HTC One leak is out, It was mention using Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 chipset with four Krait 300 cores, 2nd device using latest Qualcomm Snapdragon 600. Another was LG Optimus G Pro.

Means XPERIA Z no longer in my list. Hehe! smile.gif
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HTC One looks like a good phone, but stupidly, they did not give a MicroSD slot. That is extremely important for me.

After having experience file transfer with a few phones that has an internal memory only, I will never buy one. Too much of a hit or miss when it comes to connecting and mounting the memory to a computer, slow transfer, can not queue multiple files etc.

That aside, I don't understand why Sony can not come out with a 32GB model.
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post Feb 20 2013, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(junsheng @ Feb 20 2013, 10:26 AM)
i think there might be a problem with ur phone ady
bcauz nomally can transfer multiple files 1, transfer won't be so slow even with fsync on ar

or maybe it is restricted in the system?  hmm.gif
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Nothing wrong with the phone. It is just the limitation of internal memories. Internal memory uses MTP or Media Transfer Protocol, which has two drawbacks: the inability to have more than 1 simultanious transfer, and it is slower when transfering large files when compared to MSC (USB Mass Storage Device).

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Feb 20 2013, 10:29 AM)
why not just use cloud service? i duno i duno have a andriod device before hehe...
but what i heard cloud service is nice...especially dropbox... although i only use dropbox in PC only  tongue.gif
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As good as cloud services are, they don't offer much quotas. For simple transfers and all, I agree, it is an alternative, but still, compare the difference:
Dropbox: Select photo -> Set to upload to Dropbox -> Sync Dropbox on PC -> View photo on PC
MSC: Plug phone to computer -> Open DCIM folder and view photo on PC

You can't argue with the simplicity and speed of MSC. What if I need to transfer a file to a client who does not have Dropbox on his PC/Laptop?

QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ Feb 20 2013, 10:57 AM)
Xperia Z just smoke by HTC One, jump ship to HTC One.

Xperia Z real deal is just the water/dust resist.

TFT screen always have issues
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How is the Xperia Z smoked? Same RAM, same GPU, just a little slower on the CPU side.

Enjoy your internal 32/64GB memory. I'll be enjoying my 64GB and later end of the year, 128GB MicroSD memory.

TFT screen always have issues? Do you know how silly that statement is? Google what is TFT, and you would realise that the HTC One uses TFT as well. smile.gif
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post Feb 20 2013, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ Feb 20 2013, 11:26 AM)
SnapDragon 600 is using 32-bit dual-channel LPDDR3

S4 for Xperia Z is only Dual-channel 533 MHz (8.5 GB/sec)

RAM difference / clock difference

At this stage of tech/wireless internet etc, you need a SD card? Cloud Storage your best friend

I'm using 16gb it overkill for me. Yes different ppl different usage though

HTC One 32gb is another over kill -.-
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Technologically, cloud storage is good.

But it's still subject to internet availability, the fact that most mobile data plans have quotas, and most cloud storage are very limited with more storage to be purchased on a per month basis.

Like you say, different people, different usage. 16gb, just install one big name 3D game on your phone and it's already 2-3gb used. GPS map data for SEA countries + Australia will already take up a good 1.5GB.. add a few more applications/programs with some videos/music/photos, you can easily see all that disappear.

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Thanks for the info regarding the RAM difference. That would mean that while both XPZ and HTC One theoretically can have the same amount of data in the RAM, the HTC One would be able to pull them out faster from the clock difference, as well as process it faster.

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post Feb 20 2013, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 20 2013, 02:49 PM)
Can ask wat kind of pS games can play on the phone r? LIke FF13, Strett fighter and stuff? Need to pay to download r? How much cost?
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Play using emulator. You download a Play Station emulator (paid app, I think) and then you get the iso of the game. It's only PS1/PSX games from memory. There is no Play Station 2 emulators out there? (someone correct me, I haven't done this in ages). So for example, Final Fantasy VII, you would need the iso for all 3 discs on your phone. Playing on the other hand will be via on-screen keypad. Of course, if you want to go all out you can connect a USB/Bluetooth Play Station styled controller and map the keys to it. LOL
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post Feb 20 2013, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 20 2013, 03:00 PM)
y muz download apps? I tot the phone got dunno wat playstation network preload? That is not the app to play PS games?
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Play Station Mobile

It's not an ability to play PSX/PS1 games.

More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Mobile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayS...on_Mobile_games
http://www.playstation.com/psm/index_e.html
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Feb 20 2013, 03:15 PM)
The S600 performance was one ahead over S4 Pro. It not slightly different.

Sony is TFT LCD & HTC is Super LCD 3 LCD.

TFT & Super LCD 3 is LCD type and Super LCD 3 quality was much much way better than TFT.

Your statement was totally wrong, not HTC and Sony also TFT, is both also LCD but different type.

Above 2 part already completely smoke Xperia Z. Xperia Z still win in having water and dusk proof but both not really important compare to LCD quality and performance.
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S600 is a new generation improvement over the S4 Pro. If it's not ahead, something is wrong.

Regarding your statement on the LCD... I can only facepalm..

Your statement of both being LCD is correct. Even my Casio watch is a LCD.

What I am correcting is the term TFT being used. Did you know that the Super LCD is still a TFT technology? It's just pretty much marketing speak, just like how Samsung calls their LED backlit LCD the LED TV... until you get people thinking that LED TV is a whole new screen technology over LCD.. =\

As for smoking the Xperia Z, yes and no. Depends on the user. For people like you who buys phones based on benchmarks and viewing the screen from the corners.. maybe. But I intend to actually use my phone, and I view my phone with it facing directly at me. And I also need big storage for all my data, removable ones. Not internal ones that are limited to MTP. So no, to me, the HTC One does not smoke the Xperia Z.
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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Feb 20 2013, 04:18 PM)
With USB OTG, watching anime, movies is even easier....transferring very large files into a phone still takes a while though. Besides, how many times do we have to watch those that it  deserves a space in our SDcard. A few favorites maybe but not anything more.
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For me it is not really about the space in a SD card. It's the convenience and speed.

I remember my Xperia S always having issues being detected by the computer. I would try restarting the phone, restarting the computer, trying on another computer etc and still not have it appear. Now, add to the fact that your client wants some photos from you on the spot. When I did a quick search for the problem online, I was not the only one. There were many other phones out there using internal memory having issues with MTP. It was a hit or miss really.

I never had any issues, on the other hand, with MSC on the Acro S or Note II. Any computer I plug them into, they just work like a USB drive.

QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Feb 20 2013, 04:21 PM)
Sorry, I make mistake on that part.

All LCD was TFT, just S-LCD was an evolution of TN based TFT-LCD.

Sony never mention using which type of TFT-LCD. But from review, it was not really yet comparable with any manufacturer use.

I haven't seen yet XPERIA Z screen, but from current XPERIA V, in normal general look, it never better than current HTC Butterfly which base on S-LCD as well. My eye was popping out when I first seen the Butterfly but not any XPERIA phone in market.

Sony every year did same mistake, the way it announcing it phone base on spec was in wrong timing.

I am pretty sure the wow effect of XPERIA Z will not as stunning sales at it suppose due to it again's wrong timing.
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No worries. Yeah, it is rather confusing considering the fact that Sony NEVER mentions any details to what they use. Not only their screen technology, but even the glass used. Just mentioned scratch proof.. no official details from them stating Corning's Gorilla or Dragontail etc.

Also, agreed on the screen on Sony's being below the competition, but still better than the AMOLED on the S3 (PenTile.. yuck..) and potentially the S4 is rumored to use PenTile as well..

But what I am glad is finally, a manufacturer that has the brains to place the speakers on the front. I always found it silly to have the speakers on the side or the back when watching videos.

Sony always have been behind on specs, but their screens, while average, always had good resolution (more important for me, clarity > colour to an extend), and personally, I prefer their design as well.

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QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 21 2013, 10:07 AM)
I wonder will we be seing a tegra 4 phone at this mwc or not? Seems no company wan to use nvidia chipset.
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They are currently too slow to the market with the Tegra 4. They are also slow to the all-in-one mobile LTE chipset, which could also be the reason why they're slow. Think about it, if you're a phone company, would you take Qualcomm where you only get one chipset that can handle CPU + GPU + LTE, or go with Tegra 3 and have a 2nd chip for LTE?

At least the Tegra 3 was one of the first if not the first quads out there, being announced and released sometime Q4 2011?

Since then, we have had Samsung and Qualcomm with their quads around 1H 2012 and now 1Q 2013 we have Qualcomm with their Snapdragon 600 series and the rumored Samsung "octa-core."

By the way, I put a quote on the "octa-core" because it's not really octa-core. Just like how nVidia advertises their Tegra 3 as a 4+1, Samsung should also advertise theirs as a 4+4, because the extra cores are companion cores, and not designed to run parallel. What does this mean? It means when it comes to multi-core processing, you either use the 4 A15 cores or the 4 A7 cores.

Edit: Typed in wrong year, 1Q 2013, not 2012.. LOL.. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 21 2013, 10:55 AM)
But for obvious marketing reason, octa is a better name. Same case wher current led tv isnt a led tv at all, only a backlit led lcd tv. But this infos only people like us knows, but for mass market n general people, they only buy anythg without knowing ir care.

Htc one iinm marketed their phone at 4mp, that is a risky move eventho the reality it was a 12-13mp camera. Iinm a 4mpX3
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Sadly, yeah.. there should be some regulations out there to control all these marketing names, seriously.

Regarding HTC One, they can't market it as 12-13mp. Even though the technology would have 12 mpix on the sensors (4mp RED, 4mp GREEN, 4mp BLUE) because the final file output is only 4mp after merging the three colours, RGB.
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How much is the HTC One going for?

Also, regarding the pixel, I am just assuming from what the other poster mentioned that's all. I remember reading that there are a few method of camera imaging sensor technologies and what not, and I was assuming that's all. Thanks for the correction.
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QUOTE(James831 @ Feb 21 2013, 06:51 PM)
I think the price would be around RM2200 to RM2400, stock might only available on 3rd week of MARCH.
the March 6th event might be only announcement when available and how much is the price for XPERIA Z only.
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RM 2,299 for the HTC One.

Source:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2013/02/21/htc-o...iced-at-rm2299/
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QUOTE(nasiayam @ Feb 22 2013, 02:32 AM)
the newer htc one is 2299, not so competitive if xpz is 2299

2099-2199 will be the sweet spot  biggrin.gif
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Yeah.. because both the XPERIA Z and HTC One will be launching and on sale at the exact same time right?

The price of the XPERIA Z is not going to be lower once the HTC starts selling ya?

The XPERIA Z has at least 1-2 months lead advantage. In two weeks time, you get to buy the XPERIA Z for RM 2,299.. however, if you want the HTC One, even at RM 10,000 you won't be able to get one.
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 22 2013, 08:48 AM)
tipula.. where can get freebie that is 50% of the phone price doh.gif
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Check out the pre-order bonus bundle that's going on in UK. They are giving out free high end headphones worth £299 for their first 1000 customers.

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news/2013/0...ree_headphones/
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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Feb 22 2013, 11:58 AM)
I was hoping it would have been the wireless one.
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AFAIK only Sony UK is having this offer. France it's free NFC wireless speakers. I don't recall if other countries/areas have any freebies.

Just to set the record straight, I was just letting WintersuN know that it is possible to have freebies at 50% or near 50% value of the phone. I was and am not saying that we will be getting any freebies in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 22 2013, 12:22 PM)
I think the in box earphone still bundle together. The headphone is a gift. Btw the earphone is quite good i believe.
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Correct.

Sony MH-EX300AP is the bundled earphone, which is still a pretty good. That one is confirmed to come with all XPERIA Z world wide.

Headphone is just a one time special offer in UK>

I would prefer to have a dock bundled though. I have my own AKG portable noise canceling headphones. If I want quality I have my Denons.
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QUOTE(nasiayam @ Feb 22 2013, 07:29 PM)
yesterday i tengah makan with friends when the one of our drinks tertumpah on the table, suddenly everyone go to save their phone on the table phone from drowning  tongue.gif if xperia z let it swim only  rclxms.gif

looking forward to troll my friends with a waterproof phone  biggrin.gif
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I am currently using the Acro S... you should see the amount of times things gets spilled on it or someone accidentally splatter food or other dirties on my phone.. they would be like... "Oh s**t, so sorry!" and what not in a very panicked state.. while myself on the other hand, extremely calm, and the would be like wtf?.. LOL
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At the end of the day, the certification is just an organisation coming in to say "Yes, we have tested it and can confirm that under lab conditions, it can be submerged under water @ xx meters for xx minutes". That's all.

The device may be able to last double that period, double that depth or even both together. We will never know. It has just been certified for a set value.

Same thing with computer processors. Why you buy them, they are set at a specific clock speed. Of course you could always overclock it and what not to get a higher clock speed for higher performance. But the reason they set a default speed is just their official guarantee.

Edit: Typo

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QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 24 2013, 11:17 PM)
I check out the case for xperia z, however havent found any that look nice, all seems to make the phone looks much bigger n bulky, also spoilt the beauty of the phone. But i always feels insecure without a case. How many of u using ur phone naked?
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Will be using the phone naked.

Highly likely will not be able to slide into the dock if you have a case on it.
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QUOTE(uzary @ Feb 25 2013, 03:08 PM)
Sorry for OT, just want to ask sumtin bout tech use in display. I am wondering why people said that galaxy s3 amoled screen sux? What is this pentile or non pentile? If possible hope sumone can explain in layman term. I asked this becoz i think my wife's s3 screen is great altho im not a fan of amoled.
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Technical issues aside, pen-tile = not as sharp as standard RGB. See screenshot below. Left = standard RGB pixel arrangement. Right = Pen-tile.

Some people can tell the difference, others can't. For those who can't, keep it that way. Once you can tell the difference, it's hard to be unseen and you'll feel irked every time you view a pen-tile display.

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Feb 25 2013, 03:39 PM)
holy shiat...that pentile thingy looks fugly!!  shocking.gif

i wonder what other phones are still using that type of screen?? hmm.gif
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Rumours out there are pointing towards the same pen-tile screen for the Galaxy S4.

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Why would Samsung use this layout? It is because it uses roughly 1/3 less sub-pixels compared to traditional RGB layout. In another words, to cut cost. Also, due to the layout of pen-tile, one can argue that a 1080p pen-tile screen is NOT really 1080p, but less.

The digital signal to the display might be 1080p, the processor and all will process 1080p, but the output will be less than 1080p due to the layout.

Recent phones to use it:
Galaxy Nexus
Dell Venue Pro
Nokia N9
Nokia Lumia 800
Droid RAZR
HTC One S
Samsung Galaxy S III

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