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Dd2318
post Jan 30 2020, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 30 2020, 05:22 PM)
I did try to warn people pre-GE that this was the inevitable outcome of PH implementing their manifesto but I got hentam instead on so many fronts. You know the saying- be careful of what you wish for, you might just get it.. From my portfolio perspective, I am just glad I sold all my RM out and moved my money abroad the day after GE14.
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Too early to count Malaysia out.... But, couple signs emerging to suggest Singapore maybe the biggest loser.
With China financial markets, Artic Route, Hdb depreciation, small economy. Siamese twin as with Hong Kong.
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post Jan 31 2020, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 31 2020, 12:47 PM)
I respect people's opinions, but the issue here is that folks here tend to make arguments that are emotional and personal, rather than based on facts and rational thinking process.

And yes, I have been investing selectively in the KLSE over the last year since some stocks are starting to look attractive. While the large cap stocks are getting bashed due to the government's policies, there are small and mid cap stocks that benefit from their populist policies.
I am not counting Malaysia out, just the government of today. I am still based in Malaysia with no intentions of moving. I'm not sure why you brought Singapore up to bash, when the world out there to invest beyond Malaysia is far larger than just the red dot south of us.
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Me working in the little red dot.....
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post Jan 31 2020, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 31 2020, 12:47 PM)
I respect people's opinions, but the issue here is that folks here tend to make arguments that are emotional and personal, rather than based on facts and rational thinking process.

And yes, I have been investing selectively in the KLSE over the last year since some stocks are starting to look attractive. While the large cap stocks are getting bashed due to the government's policies, there are small and mid cap stocks that benefit from their populist policies.
I am not counting Malaysia out, just the government of today. I am still based in Malaysia with no intentions of moving. I'm not sure why you brought Singapore up to bash, when the world out there to invest beyond Malaysia is far larger than just the red dot south of us.
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post Feb 4 2020, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Feb 3 2020, 07:29 PM)
Good that we are now aiming low at sub-5.0%. When its announced higher then its gonna be a pleasant surprise😃
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Plse, plse dividend high enuf for me to offset my FD redemption for Myvi downpayment. Thank you, kwsp.
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post Feb 10 2020, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Feb 10 2020, 10:37 AM)
read/search previous posts.

this has been asked many times
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Any latest update since last post?
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post Feb 10 2020, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Feb 10 2020, 10:53 AM)
What kind of update are you expecting for?
Do you see any official announcement in the local papers or KWSP portal/app?
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Kancheong, need Acc#2 to reach $35K, to qualify as down payment of property. Otherwise, need to loan from in-laws.
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post Feb 10 2020, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 10 2020, 02:33 PM)
1 week differences only  sweat.gif
but early better.. don't need to speculate anyome  :thumbsup:
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There is this sex education class. When the tutor asked the class..
How many of u do it daily?
A few responders very proudly stood up raised their hands.

How many of u do it weekly?
A few raised their hands high.

How many of u do it once/month!?
A few sheepishly raised their hands, ever so slightly.

How many of u do it once/year?
This man stood up n excitedly waved his hand!!!!
So, the tutor asked, why u so excited when it's so rare? Shouldn't u be ashamed?
The man replied... It's gonna happen tonight!!!

So, the moral of the story.... Once a year event, is always more sexy n exciting!!!! So, when kwsp declaring dividend?
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post Feb 11 2020, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 11 2020, 09:53 AM)
guess the results would be known soon ....... place your "bets" no right no wrong...
if failed by a WIDE margins,....come back again to "spams" next year same time  innocent.gif  devil.gif
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I need minimum 5.51%.....pls, pls! Otherwise, need to seek (in-law) loan shark.

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post Feb 11 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Morpheus2be @ Feb 11 2020, 10:20 AM)
Every 1% is equivalent to 3 months expenses for me and I also need to pay off debts. I need min 6% if I exclude other income generating sources.  icon_question.gif
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What mean you other income generating sources?....
Your $10 Million invested in asnb? 😜
Bottomline, I think your guess is spot-on, minimum 6.00%.
Win-Win!
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post Feb 11 2020, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Morpheus2be @ Feb 11 2020, 02:06 PM)
No. Still a long way till 55 for me. I am out of a job at the moment, so yeah, I'm using my EPF savings to supplement whatever income I can manage. There are many provisions to withdraw EPF if you meet the withdrawal criteria(s).

It's the best I can do at the moment. The job market is tough.  cry.gif
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Sincerely sorry to hear that.
Just wishing you stay strong n continue keep looking.
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post Feb 12 2020, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 12 2020, 01:29 PM)
https://www.dosm.gov.my/v1/index.php?r=colu...DZIbmk2aWRRQT09

GDP shrunk to 3.6% in 4QTR.
Overall 2019 GDP was 4.3% cf with 2018 of 4.7%

NOT looking good at all.
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5.5% is quite safe prediction... Best case 5.7%.
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post Feb 14 2020, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Feb 14 2020, 01:48 PM)
The article talked about outflow more than inflow once population aging. Not related to ponzi or not. A fund will not function well when it is constantly outflow. Fund invested into bonds or shares are long term basis, fund needs constantly sell those invested asset to fund the outflow resulted difficulty in investing.
If a fund is run at ponzi basis, it is easy to identify whereby the liabilities towards contributor becomes more than asset owned  due to giving more return than its income, and the fund will have net negative equity. Ponzi is about giving return that does not exist.
It is separated from the outflow inflow issue. Outflow more means the fund is not able to function properly even give zero return.
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Ya, this response is more likely... Aging demographics from baby boomers (same as US) vs those young ones from gig economy.
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post Feb 15 2020, 07:34 AM

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Wah! Is Kwsp is ponzi scheme?
Can we choose not to contribute?
I read lowyat... Seems like ASM is safer? But I also just sold my ASM.
How, ah? Sifus...
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post Feb 15 2020, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 15 2020, 12:08 PM)
same writer with same gloomy prediction for 2017 & 2018 dividend rates too....

Lower returns by EPF in 2018 likely
Saturday, 19 Jan 2019
By M. Shanmugam
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-not-due-to-ph/

Tough for the EPF to repeat its dividend act
Friday, 17 Feb 2017
By Comment M. Shanmugam
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...i0g08MegDlKJ.99

:thumbsup: sooner or later he would said..."See, i told you so, i told you so just a few days ago"
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Thank you, for sharing... >= 5.6%. OK cukup.
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post Feb 15 2020, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 15 2020, 12:45 PM)
thumbup.gif ya lor, else you kena do as below liao for your property downpayment  brows.gif  devil.gif
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Ya, Ya,..
Otherwise, they 👴🧓 sure perception, so in law from karang guni area.
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post Feb 15 2020, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 15 2020, 02:30 PM)
As I suspected, EPF does not pay out all their earnings.

They retain some for whatever political reasons is required.
What right have they got to do that?
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... Sediakan payung sebelum hujan.

Personally, I prefer scenario... stable Y1 5%, Y2 5%, Y3 5% vs erratic Y1 2.7%, Y2 11%, Y3 1.3%.

Not just kwsp,... Similar approach for Asnb, Sspn, etc funds... But, let's not include the confirmed mismanaged funds like TH, etc.

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post Feb 16 2020, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 16 2020, 04:26 PM)
still have time for GE leh..
unless u are the impatient geng who want GE coming months.. to ride the people sentiment & close the court case going on  devil.gif

anyhow.. for now we shall play the speculation game..
some side it's fun.. some side it's feels like forever & stressed  bruce.gif
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Timeline stress... Err KWSP, hello - I willing to accept 0.05% lower, if release dividend on coming Monday, as compared to end of Feb release date.

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post Feb 17 2020, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Feb 16 2020, 08:49 PM)
True indeed... no point making a fool of myself. Thanks for the reminder.

These dates have already been decided well in advance because of all the various internal and external stakeholders involved. Anyone familiar with large organisations will know that seemingly simple events can involve months of preparations.
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No fools... Just a collective of transient entity.

Goodbye Yellow Brick Road...this forum evolves around the disillusionment of financially strapped Malaysians, wanting and hoping for a reasonable dividend to sustain their existence in this resource bountiful but underachieving country.
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post Feb 17 2020, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Feb 17 2020, 08:40 PM)
I dream 6.15% with condition that all the dividend for 2019 must be disbursed into the 3 e-wallets and must be spent by everyone in 2 months to spur the economy....

kill 2 birds with 1 stone!
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Wow... I wouldn't know what to do with the extra $, there's only so much roti canai I can eat for breakfast, lunch n dinner.

Which mamak stall accepts e-wallet?
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post Feb 18 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 18 2020, 09:11 AM)
That's the reason to start your pension fund much earlier. When you have averaged in your investments, they are much cheaper.

Plus asset allocation matters. At this age, you do not expect to have 70% of your portfolio in equities.
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Uncle Prophetjul (out of respect because of age n wealth),
How many % of funds in SReit vs your $ Mil+Mil+Mil in kwsp?
Must learn from successful people like yourself.

Sorry all, I know Out Of Topic. Just this once 🙏

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