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AVFAN
post Apr 10 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 10 2015, 04:08 PM)
EPF in talks to divest 1–2 properties in UK rclxms.gif
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/e...uk?type=Markets
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but also buying more. what's going on??

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...d-property-plan
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post Apr 15 2015, 09:59 AM

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new article on epf:

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.ph...2#axzz3XL3Fntm2

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post Apr 21 2015, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 21 2015, 07:59 AM)
they hv been preparing... no escape.

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Apr 21 2015, 08:53 AM
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post Apr 22 2015, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 22 2015, 07:26 PM)
Most contributors not interested in other withdrawal options

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015...osals-EPF-told/
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no surprise...

... rakyat already squeezed on income, taxes and purchasing power
... on-going putrajaya episodes eroding trust from rakyat
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post Apr 23 2015, 03:38 PM

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just u wait... some powerful one may say the survey was inconclusive, need a new big task force (hire new staff), allocate 50mil to "study" it. laugh.gif

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post May 6 2015, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 6 2015, 04:56 PM)
as if the result would change EPF management "mind set" to make 60yo as full withdrawal..

juz as plan  rolleyes.gif
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my read is after ge14, they will force it - "we have listened long enough but the time has come, it is good for you".

QUOTE(puchongite @ May 6 2015, 05:09 PM)
The poll has a few options. If not mistaken one of the option is to make the age 55 or 60 optional, ie people can decide for themselves, which age to withdraw.

But all the options were rejected flat.

For me, that's the clear indication that lack of confidence is the main reason.
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i read the same.

if... if there r no zmbds, no billions wasted in gomen depts year in year out, crooks put behind bars, strong rm... even with same returns, i'll be the first one to leave my money until 60! laugh.gif

i do not hv details but in contrast, i suspect most people in sg will want to keep in cpf after 55 - 3% p.a. is not much but with strong currency, no songlap as we know it here, i can understand...
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post May 12 2015, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 10:36 AM)
i cleared my Ac 2 three years ago st 50 years old. Plunked it into Singapore REITs giving more than 8 % yields.

Didn't regret
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last 3 yrs, i think average... 8% yield + 2% cap appr + 2% fx gain = 12% p.a. in rm terms?! biggrin.gif
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post May 12 2015, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 11:24 AM)
Something like that.

One REIT gave 11% when i bought!  biggrin.gif
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yes, i understand. biggrin.gif
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post May 12 2015, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 12:48 PM)
NONE thus far as the revaluation of props were able to mitigate this.
OTH i have been accumulating shares in lieu of divs. That helped the returns!
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yeah, my exp is same - all drip and right issues have come out good.
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post May 18 2015, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 18 2015, 06:19 PM)
BNM has proposed to pull out its sole representatives from the investment panels of EPF and Socso, Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Chua Tee Yong tells Parliament today blink.gif
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given the shit we already know, this likely means the shepherds told to leave with gates open, wolves lurking nearby.
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post Oct 19 2015, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 19 2015, 05:47 PM)
The Employees Provident Fund (Amendment) Bill 2015 has affirmed that the age for withdrawal by members of the Employees Provident Fund stays at 55 years, while new contributions made after 55 years old can only be withdrawn when the member attains the age of 60.

Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Johari Abdul Ghani tabled the EPF (Amendment) bill for first reading in Parliament today.

Further, the bill also amends Section 26 of the EPF Act, to expand the scope of investment of the fund, which enables the board to invest moneys belonging to the Fund by depositing the moneys in a bank or an investment bank or Islamic Bank, or a development financial institution.

It also enables the board to invest moneys belonging to the Fund in shares offered pursuant to an initial public offering (IPO) or shared listed on a stock exchange.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/e...?type=Corporate
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very simple...

if all is good, no need to amend this, amend that.

everyone is eyeing epf money.

be worried.... sweat.gif
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post Mar 3 2024, 11:39 AM

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...f-5-5-for-2023/
He said the higher rates were possible because of the good performance of its foreign investments, which account for 38% of its total assets.


conventional or shariah... compare... over last 1 yr period, circa...

cash $ +6%
cash SGD 6.5%
S&P500 +30%
Nasdaq +43%
Nikkei +45%
Gold +20%
Maybank stock +18%

what really happened? is epf retaining beacoup profits?

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post Mar 3 2024, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(kechung @ Mar 3 2024, 12:08 PM)
5.50% for its conventional savings, total payout of RM50.33 billion
5.40% for its shariah savings, total payout of RM7.48 billion. This brings the overall amount to RM57.81 billion for the financial year of 2023.

EPF total investment income for year ended 31 December 2023 came up to RM66.99 billion, net of listed equity write-downs for the year.
That said, the EPF shared that RM5.72 billion was generated from mark-to-market (MTM) gains of securities that have not been realised, and will not be included as part of the dividend distribution.

Investment assets have grown to RM1,135.82 billion – up 13% as compared to the RM1,002.67 billion recorded in the previous year.

Therefore total income 66.99b - dividend 57.81b - unrealised profit 5.72b = 3.46b retained for future years.
Average AUM = 50.33/5.5% + 7.48/5.4% =1,053.61b.
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thanks for this.

so, there's total about 9billion retained. wud be good to see if the % is about the same very year.

i m still surprised EPF didn't make more with 38% foreign inv since S&P500, nasdag, nikkei all at or near record highs, +30-45%.

or significant losses elsewhere?

yet to read experts' full analyses...
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post Mar 3 2024, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 3 2024, 02:23 PM)
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By Izzul Ikram | theedgemalaysia.com | 2024-03-03 13:37:10
SHAH ALAM (March 3): The performance in the Employees Provident Fund’s (EPF) shariah portfolio was driven by the rally of US technology equities, according to EPF chief executive officer (CEO) Ahmad Dzulqarnain Onn.

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/703206
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read above link and this too.
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...tment-says-epf/

u will understand the whole thing better.

a huge chunk of epf money is in MGS, low return, in RM

what is still surprising is with 38% foreign inv, RM weakened so much, yet return is 8+% only...??

there must be some other explanation not highlighted yet.
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post Mar 3 2024, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Mar 3 2024, 03:13 PM)
Good point bro. Last year MSCI World Index returns 20% p.a., plus USD.MYR depreciation of around 4-5% last year should yield almost 25% p.a. in MYR terms.

8% is more like a balanced portfolio's USD return...
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if RM was steady, it wud be normal, pretty good.

RM lost 6% to the $ in 2023, US markets at record highs.

maybe they picked the worst ones? biggrin.gif
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post Mar 3 2024, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 3 2024, 03:23 PM)
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QUOTE(MTB_King @ Mar 3 2024, 03:23 PM)
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these 2 charts say everything.

however, whoever, try to spin it, there is no running away from the fact that as EPF dividends % decline over the years, RM decline even faster.

add incr in taxes there n there, actual inflation in urban areas >>1.5% pa official reported.

it's going to be very tough for retirees today, tmr and the day after.

gudluk to all, take care of yr hard earned money, hope it will be enough! sweat.gif
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post Mar 3 2024, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(renodiy @ Mar 3 2024, 09:54 PM)
need min rm30k pm after retirement in 25  yrs
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 3 2024, 09:41 PM)
I put 3% and assuming I retired at 55 years old...I am 35 years old this year so 20 years more to go. Assuming after I retired, I need to have money until age 80...so the retirement money need to last 25 years.

Not sure how much stuff will cost that time...I wonder if 7k monthly is enough or not also assuming no debts sweat.gif
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today's 7k will be about 30k in 25 yrs time if inflation is 5+%.

so, u got to save and grow yr savings accordingly.

u can build yr own spreadsheet, with as many variables as u like.

inflation is a very sensitive variable, as much as yr growth in wealth/savings.

is inflation 5% too high?

well, it is different for everybody as some live in rural, some in cities; some eat chapfan everyday, some need steaks and starbucks often.

my experience over a very long time... urban-semi urban....5-6% overall incl food, transportation, housing.

so... RM30K pm in 2049... ya, i think so.
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post Mar 4 2024, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 4 2024, 10:25 AM)
If it is "easily"...
Then why are so many doing  that max self contribution?
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it's about risk aversion.

some people do not want any risk... epf pays a bit more than FD... so... can do la...

i personally know a few of my frens are like that.

if u do some homework, take a little risk, there are many choices.

factually, maybank does give 6% or so every year like since forever.

of course, there is chance of some capital gain or loss.

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post Mar 4 2024, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 4 2024, 10:46 AM)
Check the FD thread....
They hv their reasons or not yet know it
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that's the spice of life - choices r available.

the vast majority will hv their savings diversified.

only a minority will go all out for FD/EPF or risky stocks or even scams! biggrin.gif


here, we are talking about voluntary EPF contributions.

if u r already putting mandatory contributions, why not take a look at other choices that might yield a bit more?


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post Mar 4 2024, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 4 2024, 11:03 AM)
So they just continue with the "easily" 5% in kwsp with possible 0.X% extras
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5-6% is very acceptable if u believe and trust official inflation data of 2-3% pa, live in a village, ride a bicycle.

urban semi urban, u need 6-7% pa growth to cover overall inflation.

this fella says 10%!
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ling-heres-why/

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