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kevyeoh
post Mar 2 2025, 11:38 AM

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maybe no....cainis probably will move their fund to EPF already and less save in ASM/ASB.... especially the older folks either nearing retirement or already retired.... no brainer to move funds to the one giving higher returns...

QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 2 2025, 10:55 AM)
Point to note.
Chinese savings almost 4X the Malay savings.
Will it be the same for ASM/ASB?
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kevyeoh
post Mar 2 2025, 01:09 PM

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Just my 2 cents...

Cent #1 - Those who get to reach rm1mil or more at a young age (without self contribution top up) usually means that person is already doing quite well and no need to rely on EPF... Usually will not want to withdraw money out also...

Cent #2 - In the first place, EPF is meant for retirement use and the cap of 1mil before allowing to withdraw excess amount is set long time ago so maybe last time can say rm1mil in EPF more than enough to retire. But nowadays most likely rm1mil alone might not be enough so I can understand why they wanna increase to rm1.3mil.... this policy allows some flexibility to withdraw out your retirement money while at the same time ensures that when you reach 55 years old still got money to spend also... As for why 1.3 and not 1.1 or 1.5m? I don't have access to the data and decision making process... 😊

QUOTE(lee82gx @ Mar 2 2025, 01:02 PM)
I am not asking you directly, but why impact this particular slice of the population? What are the benefits of this policy that helps the group or the general public?
In my opinion, young millionaires should be allowed maximum flexibility to gain whatever they can with the capital on their hand, time on their side, energy to pursue ventures and lastly know how of current business edge. I’d argue they are the prime group to be allowed to take some risks in terms of investment.
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post Mar 2 2025, 07:11 PM

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your analogy totally not related in my opinion... just my opinion...
you are free to drive any time you want in the first place.....

the analogy for car would be...

you are forced to allocate some of your petrol and put it away whenever you pump full tank for your car...
but once you put away enough barrels of petrol, you can choose to use the additional petrol however you like.... doesn't matter if you plan to drive more or speed or not....
but maybe many years down the road...the petrol cost is no longer cheap...so the cap limit to store the extra petrol is added to ensure you still have enough petrol to use later on...


QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 2 2025, 01:39 PM)
maybe this analogy can shed some light...

I don't speed when I drive. Its just a choice. So does this mean I should be ok for the gov to install hardware limitation to limit all vehicles to max 110 km/h?

(ops... maybe I should support this... haha)
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post Mar 2 2025, 11:23 PM

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I understand his analogy but i think it's totally not related la....
i think he understood mine also but maybe mine more correct so he refuse to admit and say he understood it... haha... is okay...for discussion sake only... i'm not here to win any argument but just share opinions... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Mar 2 2025, 11:16 PM)
I understand both u guys punya analogy and both makes sense.

In my opinion, those with >1M are well disciplined, matured and financially savvy enough to not require govt intervention in how to manage our EPF balances.

If they wanna impose tighter withdrawal limitations, do that only to those with low balances and who only think about short term needs.
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post Mar 11 2025, 10:23 PM

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i have a friend who works as stock analyst and when i ask him the best stock to buy in Malaysia...where i can buy and hold....he told me is Nestle...

QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Mar 11 2025, 12:13 PM)
EPF says more focus to Local Equities Market. One of example as I saw is Nestle Malaysia. Shares keep dropping but EPF keep buying non stop.
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post Mar 12 2025, 05:09 PM

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correct also...this is way before boycott time...

QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 12 2025, 05:03 PM)
That is b4 boycott.
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kevyeoh
post Mar 25 2025, 09:49 PM

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same here... actually epf curi deduct some amount also most likely i won't realized it...

QUOTE(virtualgay @ Mar 25 2025, 09:23 PM)
got ppl so free day day check epf?
i dont even know my total, the last round i check was when i login to see the 6.3% dividend and only focus on how much was the dividend and not on the total amount
if suddenly EPF system glitch and added 10k for me i wont even know
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post Mar 27 2025, 07:22 PM

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isn't it by allowing withdrawal above 1m...effectively gomen already say yep, you're well off, anything above 1m, you can withdraw all and just manage yourself...
but since EPF's purpose is to prepare for your retirement, we'll just keep 1mil for you first until you reached retirement age, then you can also withdraw everything...

i don't think it's safe to say that everyone who has 1mil above for sure can manage their money well...some probably reached that level because of their high position and high pay but they probably can still be living a very lavish lifestyle...whatever amount in as salary, spend all....so i guess that's why the 1mil implementation for?

a super healthy athletic person may not be be super good in finance management...
a super high income earner with super high EPF contributions may not be super good in finance management also...

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 27 2025, 05:37 PM)
Hence my earlier point about baby manage even these people. Does this make sense?

Say there is an super healthy athletic person. His choice to drink full sugar coke, but disallowed. Excuse he should know better or he most probably won't drink also???
his choice rite?

What's Epf for to begin with and why the 1 million limit?
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post May 19 2025, 01:37 PM

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yeah...i always wonder what the heck those people are thinking when they kena scam...already have millions in account and yet still can be greedy....
forever remains a mystery to me...

QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 17 2025, 09:13 PM)
EPF is your last man standing. I think most people who has RM1mil plus in EPF would have other investment outside of EPF.

Besides, using a simple method of callculating age against your risk portfolio. At 50, you should have a 50% low risk investment while 50% can be for in high risks investment.

Having ALL your money in high risks investment is not really safe. You never know what shit might hit next...especially with Trump around.
Nothing wrong being conservative. If you being conservative and you still can achieve your post retirement income, it's still great! Everyone just do the way they best feel for them. No need to have RM10 millions to retire. At this age, only can eat healthy and eat less...as long debt free, got medical insurance, got passive income, money is not really an issue. I live a moderate life...my passive income can cover everything and still can grow. Better being conservative than stupid like some recent news, 70+ years old kena scam millions because of greed. At 70+ already can smell the coffin already very near. Dafark want to be greedy for what?
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post May 22 2025, 09:47 AM

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Dear unker,

So if I have Moomoo account, how to buy the treasury bond?
And also to check my understanding, if I buy 10 years bond, as long as I hold it to maturity, I will get back my full capital right? Or I will get back the market price of the bond at the time of maturity?
From what I read, if you buy bond at rm100 for 10 years maturity, by the time it matured, I should get back rm100... But no harm asking for clarification if anyone can help comment..

Thanks!


QUOTE(boyboycute @ May 22 2025, 09:12 AM)
For Unker, just assume someone is trying to withhold your retirement pot much longer by spinning various reasons. Deficit of this country is growing and they might also lose some dividend from Sarawak. A big tasty honey pot usually attracts a lot of shit flies...

When Unker heard EPF allowed additional contribution up to RM 100k after COVID, Unker started to smell something rotting. But many YouTubers and their dogs are trumpeting it like they just discovered fire. Unker knew something scary is lurking behind. Open the gate wider and let them into the barn before shutting the door. Then, the "special adequacy framework" came up. Unker can take money out anytime but just calculate how much money they're able to trap using this strategy. Kesian those who kena F in the face. They just gonna work a few extra years to pay taxes for "don't know for what"

Unker withdrawing some money to buy US treasury to get 5% in USD. Diversify a bit for safety against policy stupidity and dishonesty. Unker live long enough to learn not to trust any government
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post May 26 2025, 09:58 PM

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or when you hit RM1mil then anything beyond that can withdraw...

QUOTE(chicaman @ May 26 2025, 12:15 PM)
If self contribute extra into EPF, need to wait till retirement only can withdraw right?
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post May 27 2025, 01:48 PM

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Errrmmmm... US Treasury Bond as save and US gov sure keep their promise?

I wouldn't be too sure on that now. Things are changing very fast nowadays. 30 years is a very very long time... US Bond yield is increasing now and my understanding is unless you hold to maturity, if you sell halfway, you might actually suffer loses too. Because increasing bond yield means bond price drop.

Will US continue to be dominant and USD continue to be the world's reserve currency? If you asked me 10 years ago the answer would have been an easy yea but now... I am not too sure. You might even lose out on currency exchange rate as well if USD continue to weakens...



QUOTE(boyboycute @ May 27 2025, 12:30 PM)
Isn't obvious?

After COVID, increase voluntary contribution to xxx

Then, re shuffle into x Accounts

After few years, "move goal post" higher

This week, retirement age increase

Any little children can see it

Your money is safer in 30 years US Treasury Bond which gives out more than 5% of coupon. At least, US government keeps their promise

Fool me once, shame on you

Fool me twice, ....
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post May 27 2025, 03:05 PM

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Gais... If today pay self contribution for EPF... Will it be captured for May?
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post May 28 2025, 06:14 PM

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thanks...i top up today...via EPF website itself... at the end...there's a message says Payment Complete....will be credited within 3 working days....so if worst case kena 3 working days, i will missed it and captured as June...should have done yesterday to be super safe....
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 27 2025, 03:36 PM)
Actually speaking...

29 May Thursday is safest,

But you want to risk it to Max... Then 30 May....

And Yes, it's captured as May 2025 contribution
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post May 28 2025, 07:41 PM

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oh...thanks...actually good point... US bond rating even though downgraded....still much better than Malaysia.... sometimes too focus on US until forget Malaysia actually quite.... doh.gif
QUOTE(boyboycute @ May 28 2025, 08:44 AM)
You might want to double check on the rating of US Vs Malaysia. Even if US got downgraded recently, it's still higher than Malaysia. If their bond yields higher than ours, Unker doesn't understand why you guys are afraid. You should be afraid of lower ratings for Malaysia. You should be afraid of given lower yield in KWSP because .....

You can choose 10 years bond US Treasury and hold to maturity to avoid duration risk
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post May 29 2025, 02:40 PM

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No harm sharing other options to compare to EPF dividend... Then we can continue to decide if wanna top up EPF for the dividend or invest elsewhere 😊

QUOTE(gamenoob @ May 29 2025, 02:24 PM)
Dude,

You do you, let others do theirs.

You are in EPF dividend thread....

US Treasury or EPF is not be all end all. Its one of the option and no such thing as one perfect fits all solution....
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post May 29 2025, 08:38 PM

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true...when young...very sked to put money in EPF...cuz it's gonna be locked in there for very long...
but as you get older and nearer to retirement...suddenly it looks like a very good option to put there as well too... tongue.gif

QUOTE(dwRK @ May 29 2025, 08:01 PM)
when young...  minimum epf...  max outside

when old...  maximum epf...  min outside

zero risk... 2.5% div guaranteed...  6.5% casa is hard to beat wink.gif

happy to keep my $ in epf... biggrin.gif
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post May 31 2025, 04:28 PM

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can't disagree with you on this as well... usually if you have a lot of diversification, that's also when your return won't really be a lot right? deswai EPF return is also around the 'standard' range all these years....

QUOTE(MGM @ May 31 2025, 11:27 AM)
EPF itself is diversification.
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post Jun 1 2025, 12:09 PM

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you referring to EPF self top up?
thanks

QUOTE(magika @ May 31 2025, 10:40 AM)
I  m retired for many years but still doubling down x2 annually.
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post Jun 5 2025, 08:14 PM

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EPF will collapse? heard this easily 20 years ago i think.... lots of my friends busy trying to find ways to withdraw out the money... maybe they end up did well with their investment from the money taken out from EPF... but personally...not regretting also i continue to keep my money in EPF... sure...if invested in stocks...higher returns... but okay la...don't be greedy... smile.gif compounded EPF dividend also not that bad....afterall...compounding effect is the 8th wonder of the world right?

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