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xuzen
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May 12 2015, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 11 2015, 11:52 AM) EPF's real performance = EPF dividend - Inflation If inflation is 6%, then EPF's real performance = 6.75 - 6 = 0.75. Actually hor.. the proper calculation is (6.75-6)/(1+0.06) = 0.708. Little bit difference lar... Xuzen
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solsekuin44
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May 12 2015, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 12 2015, 08:50 AM) Why took out all your money out from EPF ? Care to share with us ?  First is because I wanna dump everything into my ASB account. Second, is due to the big issue last month. Though it didn't affect me (coz I chose Skim Pencen) but still..
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prophetjul
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May 12 2015, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 12 2015, 08:50 AM) Why took out all your money out from EPF ? Care to share with us ?  i cleared my Ac 2 three years ago st 50 years old. Plunked it into Singapore REITs giving more than 8 % yields. Didn't regret
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AVFAN
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May 12 2015, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 10:36 AM) i cleared my Ac 2 three years ago st 50 years old. Plunked it into Singapore REITs giving more than 8 % yields. Didn't regret last 3 yrs, i think average... 8% yield + 2% cap appr + 2% fx gain = 12% p.a. in rm terms?!
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puchongite
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May 12 2015, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 10:36 AM) i cleared my Ac 2 three years ago st 50 years old. Plunked it into Singapore REITs giving more than 8 % yields. Didn't regret From what I understand that REIT is a pretty conservative investment right ? If a conservative investment could still give 8% yield, it really means our EPF is not giving as good yield as what most people think.
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prophetjul
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May 12 2015, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 12 2015, 10:53 AM) last 3 yrs, i think average... 8% yield + 2% cap appr + 2% fx gain = 12% p.a. in rm terms?!  Something like that. One REIT gave 11% when i bought!
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prophetjul
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May 12 2015, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 12 2015, 11:17 AM) From what I understand that REIT is a pretty conservative investment right ? If a conservative investment could still give 8% yield, it really means our EPF is not giving as good yield as what most people think. Yeah. But provided your REIT manager knows how to. But susceptible to rates hike.
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AVFAN
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May 12 2015, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 11:24 AM) Something like that. One REIT gave 11% when i bought!  yes, i understand.
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prophetjul
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May 12 2015, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 12 2015, 11:26 AM) yes, i understand.  Basically just trying to squeeze more returns than EPF. Anything above 6% is fine
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puchongite
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May 12 2015, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 11:26 AM) Yeah. But provided your REIT manager knows how to. But susceptible to rates hike. Perhaps your gain was partly derived from our currency slips below sing currency more and more ?
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cherroy
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May 12 2015, 11:32 AM
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20k VIP Club
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 12 2015, 11:17 AM) From what I understand that REIT is a pretty conservative investment right ? If a conservative investment could still give 8% yield, it really means our EPF is not giving as good yield as what most people think. Reit doesn't guarantee your principal, nor any return, EPF does. Reit return can be affected if property market slump or in a high interest rate environment. Reit price can crash big as well as same as equities, just like during 2008 financial crisis.
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prophetjul
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May 12 2015, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 12 2015, 11:30 AM) Perhaps your gain was partly derived from our currency slips below sing currency more and more ? No. Currency gains was at the bak of the strategy. It was yield first and foremost.
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puchongite
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May 12 2015, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 11:38 AM) No. Currency gains was at the bak of the strategy. It was yield first and foremost. Not sure if you get want I mean. What I meant was that you are looking at your gain from Ringgit point of view right ? Say whatever reit yield in sg might be x %, but after x% conversion back to ringgit, you will get a higher yield.
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xuzen
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May 12 2015, 12:17 PM
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One of the greatest key risk of REIT is not volatility... it is Rights Issue Call and SGReits are rather notorious for that due to their nature of distributing 90% of income and leverage not more than 50%....
So prophetjul, how many rights issue have you taken up from holding SGReits?
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nexona88
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May 12 2015, 12:17 PM
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EPF has not been asked to buy 1MDB’s investment assetsQUOTE EPF always reviews any proposal for investment to determine whether it meets our risk-return criteria and has always applied the highest level of governance to ensure that our members’ interests are protected http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...vestment-assets
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prophetjul
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May 12 2015, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 12 2015, 12:17 PM) One of the greatest key risk of REIT is not volatility... it is Rights Issue Call and SGReits are rather notorious for that due to their nature of distributing 90% of income and leverage not more than 50%.... So prophetjul, how many rights issue have you taken up from holding SGReits? NONE thus far as the revaluation of props were able to mitigate this. OTH i have been accumulating shares in lieu of divs. That helped the returns!
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AVFAN
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May 12 2015, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 12 2015, 12:48 PM) NONE thus far as the revaluation of props were able to mitigate this. OTH i have been accumulating shares in lieu of divs. That helped the returns! yeah, my exp is same - all drip and right issues have come out good.
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nexona88
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May 18 2015, 06:19 PM
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BNM has proposed to pull out its sole representatives from the investment panels of EPF and Socso, Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Chua Tee Yong tells Parliament today
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SUSDavid83
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May 18 2015, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 18 2015, 06:19 PM) BNM has proposed to pull out its sole representatives from the investment panels of EPF and Socso, Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Chua Tee Yong tells Parliament today  Good proposal or bad move?
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nexona88
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May 18 2015, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(David83 @ May 18 2015, 06:20 PM) Good proposal or bad move? for me it's bad.. if have representatives in the investment panels, then they won't dare to do any "dubious investments"
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